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Samsung questions longevity of Blu-ray format
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 5 September, 2008
According to an interview posted on Pocket-lint.co.uk, Samsung believes that the Blu-ray format will only have a 5 year life span from this point out before it is replaced by either HD downloads or a completely different physical media format.
"I think it [Blu-ray] has 5 years left, I certainly wouldn't give it 10", Andy Griffiths, director of consumer electronics for Samsung UK said ... [ read the full article ]
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14. September 2008 @ 15:11 |
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And YOU ARE EXACTLY the type of consumer I referred to in my previous post. All 3!!!!!!!!! What a goof!
Lemme guess............you have a PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, Nintendo DS, PSP, Orig. Nintendo, Super Nintendo, NeoGeo, TurboGrafx, Sega Genesis. You probably have a 'yet-to-be-invented- 9.1 speaker system and BETA EVERYTHING. NERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
do you even know what goof means?if you ever said that to my face you had better be ready to scrap.do you have anything concrete to say or is this verbal diahrea all we can expect? on topic now,i think maybe old andy is right to a point.the way it looks to me,we will probably be saying goodby to blueray and hello to another format in 5+ years.this has been the trend in the past and i dont see it changing now.i am not likely to buy a blueray player just yet.just my opinion.
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ematrix
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14. September 2008 @ 15:40 |
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It's logical because not only the USB flash drives market is there and it's growing, but also Toshiba is the first one that has shown interest in developing a movie format for them; months ago they said that they're into that, as part of a lot of tech advances they're working at, which was discussed here at the forum.
Again... So I'm misquoting?, didn't Mr. Frank Simonis, chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association, made the absurd claim early 2007, that by the end of 2009, the BDA planned to have BD replacing DVD entirely, and I quote "Within three years it will just be Blu-ray"? Hell, it was also widely discussed here at the forum. I don't like you insinuating that I'm lying, which I never did.
It may be reach 7-8% market share by the end of 2008 in USA, but globally it's a completely different story, where BD market share is minimal to nonexistent, to the point that some stores have returned their BD movie stock, simply because nobody is buying them.
I'm sure you must live in USA, and therefore your perspective would be different if you saw the big picture. I have bad news for you. If Blu-ray is rather successful in USA, but a failure in the rest of the world, then it won't matter what they do, it won't be more than a niche market.
Even if BD can make it's projected revenue of $750 to $1B this year, still can't rightfully be called a $20 billion dollar industry. You're wrong about something, the consumer does have a voice in all of this, it simply can refuse to buy BD, just like it's happenning with a lot of people globally. The sooner you realize that, the clearer you'll see the picture.
You can keep insisting about the expense involved in a USB Flash driver movie format, but it won't be any differente than when BD started as well, because all new tech is expensive. Yet you're making claims based on the tendency of current prices for this media, and refuse to recognize that because they have made huge steps in just 2 years, it's fair to say that in a few years there's a strong possibility that it will became cheaper, larger and faster.
It's going to take more than 5 years before BD prices come down to J6P levels, but you're ask too much from people in believing blindly that we'll see by then, full-featured BD players for $50 or less, when more likely will be $100, bargain bin BD movies for $5, again more likely for $10, and larger 1080p HDTV's at $500 or less, when in fact will be closer to $700-$1000 for large HDTVs, specially when they have stated that you shouldn't expect dramatic price cuts on flat panel screens in the following years.
You can argue that I don't know the future of USB flash drives for sure, you may be right. Then again you don't know for sure what's BD future, to claim such inexpensive prices for BD players, movies, even HDTVs... even you can't provide unrefutable proof that this will actually happen.
If you want to look up about the stuff i talked earlier, be my guess, you should find it in the forum, I have no need to lie, exagerate or make up things along the way. I'm really tired and actually have other things to do, to keep this on-going discussion. And I see no point to present links or quotes from articles, in order to support my viewpoint, if you're going to dismissed them.
Obviously my viewpoint, prefference and expectations differs from yours, if you can respect and accept mine, and let it be, then of course i'll extend to you the same courtesy and do the same, at least just for the sake of putting this discussion to an end.
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14. September 2008 @ 15:42 |
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Originally posted by aldan:
And YOU ARE EXACTLY the type of consumer I referred to in my previous post. All 3!!!!!!!!! What a goof!
Lemme guess............you have a PS2, PS3, Xbox, Xbox 360, Wii, Nintendo DS, PSP, Orig. Nintendo, Super Nintendo, NeoGeo, TurboGrafx, Sega Genesis. You probably have a 'yet-to-be-invented- 9.1 speaker system and BETA EVERYTHING. NERD!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
How dare you you forgot the Atari 2600, Atari 5200, Atari 7800 and Atari Jaguar, and you forgot the 3DO shame on you.
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error5
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14. September 2008 @ 15:55 |
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I wanted to reply to your other points but I think juankerr did a good job. However, there is one comment that I want to address:
Originally posted by ematrix:
So now you know that BD can't outsell DVD by the number of discs each sells, you want to rely on sales revenue in order to do so... how do think that's good for consumers?
Let me put it this way - a hypothetical scenario:
Let's say that DVD sold 200,000 units but all of them came from the $5 bargain bin at Walmart - that's $1 million right there.
However, to make the same amount BluRay will need to sell only 50,000 units at $20 each.
So in our hypothetical case, BluRay sold only 25% of the volume but made the same amount in actual dollars.
Now do you understand why volumes are less meaningful?
Read dblbogey7's post on this. It contains very good points:
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error5 & juankerr: I think the picture is more complicated than just the weekly percentages given by Nielsen.
Consider this: The profit margin for DVD is about $7 - $10 per unit while the profit margin for BD is roughly $14 - $20 per unit. So in terms of revenue, BD could overtake DVD when it reaches 34 to 35 percent of sales - not 51%.
BD could actually be more profitable even if it's being outsold by DVD 2:1.
Guess what number the studios are actually looking at: numbers sold or actual dollar revenue.
Granted, there are other factors to consider such as the declining costs of BD authoring and replication but you do get my point, right? It's just more complicated than just weekly head to head numbers.
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ematrix
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14. September 2008 @ 16:17 |
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Yes, I agree with you on that, but how does that help BD consumers? It doesn't change the fact that our goal as consumers is to pay the least possible for entertaiment, therefore while 50,000 consumers got one BD movie for their money, another 50,000 consumers got 4 DVD movies for the same amount... so 4 movies for the price of 1, that's an excelent deal that most people can't refuse, maybe even goes for more movies at such prices... and the more people buying DVD movies, the less will be buying BD movies... at least that's my viewpoint.
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14. September 2008 @ 16:28 |
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you know you guys might make Afterdawn addict status just by arguing a pointless battle.
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error5
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14. September 2008 @ 18:03 |
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Originally posted by ematrix:
Yes, I agree with you on that, but how does that help BD consumers? It doesn't change the fact that our goal as consumers is to pay the least possible for entertaiment,
Well you have to balance your "goal" to pay as little as possible with the economic reality that any product needs profitability to survive.
They can sell you the product for much less but if it means the format is losing money on each sale then that's not ideal either. What does it benefit anyone if they discontinue the format because it's losing money. You just lost your initial investment right there.
You may have achieved your goal of paying as little as possible but if your chosen format does not survive then you've lost out as well.
When your 2160p non-optical movies and 2160p displays come out do you think you'll be paying less than current BluRay and 1080p prices?
I expect to pay extra for BD because it has better PQ and AQ and is a better product than DVD across the board. Fact remains that player prices are coming down and movie prices should follow. (Read about Warner's plan to cut catalog prices.)
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ematrix
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15. September 2008 @ 01:58 |
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First of all, when 2160p non-optical movies come out and more 2160p displays are availible, they'll be at comparable prices than the initial ones for Blu-ray and 1080p displays; if those BD/1080p initial prices have decreased, and you insist that current prices will continue to lower, then you can't disregard the same will happen for 2160p.
As for the rest it simply doesn't make sense. It has been a common discussion among consumers, that DVD movies have been overpriced for years, specially when the production disc costs have decreased in the past years, and there's nothing that suggest that will not happen with BD movies as well.
We can't deny that the movie industry has been seeking to profit largely from each unit sold, which has resulted in people buying less movies legally that they can or should, rather than profiting from volume sales, which would result in more people buying movies legally.
Overpricing is a cancer that has been eating the movie industry (and the record industry as well) yet you get excited when reductions in optical disc production costs occur, as if inmediatelly would imply lower prices for the movies; if any the last decade has showed us, is that really means they can seek more profits by keeping movies overpriced.
To make things short, if they profit accordinly and fairly to what costs to produce it, then it should be reflected in the final price. If it costs a few dollars to produce, and consumers pay $5-15 for a movie, then that's a fair and accesible price, which will appeal to more people than when a movie is priced for $20-30.
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15. September 2008 @ 07:41 |
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Originally posted by ematrix:
To make things short, if they profit accordinly and fairly to what costs to produce it, then it should be reflected in the final price. If it costs a few dollars to produce, and consumers pay $5-15 for a movie, then that's a fair and accesible price, which will appeal to more people than when a movie is priced for $20-30.
Movies prices are based on what the market can bear. Why should they sell at $5 when people are still buying at $20.
At this point in time HD movies are still a rich man's hobby. If you can't afford movies at $20 to $30 then I guess you should look for a different hobby.
Mass acceptance will come in its own sweet time.
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error5
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15. September 2008 @ 07:52 |
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Originally posted by ematrix:
If it costs a few dollars to produce, and consumers pay $5-15 for a movie, then that's a fair and accesible price, which will appeal to more people than when a movie is priced for $20-30.
Well unfortunately, prices do not depend on what the consumer wants to pay for it.
Prices depend on a complex interplay of supply and demand plus on other market forces that require a degree in business and economics to fully understand.
Why do you think the companies pay analysts to do all those marketing studies?
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eatsushi
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15. September 2008 @ 10:46 |
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Originally posted by error5:
Well unfortunately, prices do not depend on what the consumer wants to pay for it.
Well sometimes you can. I was at a flea market yesterday and I was able to haggle for a nice set of Libbey wine glasses - 3 bucks for a set of 6. LOL!
I'm reminded of this classic scene from "Life of Brian."
Unfortunately the rest of the world doesn't work like a flea market and we are at the mercy of supply/demand and other mysterious market forces.
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ematrix
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21. September 2008 @ 07:47 |
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First of all, movies prices are based on what the movie industry and everyone involved in the process wants to gain from each unit sold. The problem is that a huge percentage of DVD users aren't buying movies legally, they never had, period. ¿Can we assure that everybody that owns a DVD player, buys movies legally? Absolutely not.
That's why they make a big deal about "piracy", because they know that there's a lot of people that aren't buying movies legally, when they preffer to get a copy for a few bucks, or downloading it for free, than to pay for overpriced movies... this is common knowledge.
Indeed, movie prices do not depend on what the consumer wants to pay for them. But the bottom line is that consumers can choose, like they have been doing for the past decade, to decline from buying them legally.
DVD's mass acceptance came to be, not thanks to past and current movie prices, but when players, recorders, and blank discs, became so cheap and accesible, that allowed pirates to appeal to more consumers with lower prices for the movies, and profit more from volume sales, or allow users to rent or borrow a movie, and make their own copy.
I don't aprove pirates actions, yet I recognize that they have been smarter in profiting from large volume sales, and given the masses exactly what they're asking for, good entertaiment at a low price, rather than profiting largely from overpricing each unit sold, which translates in low volume sales.
BD is far from reaching that point, sure you'll have a hard time finding someone offering you BD copies, and it's not in the movie industry's best interest for it to happen, yet it's ironic that until BD recorders and blank discs became cheaper and accesible, if that ever happens, BD will not reach mass acceptance.
Greed has blind them from reversing this, and it doesn't require a degree in business and economics, to realize that the best way to attrack more consumers into buying movies legally, is lowering their prices dramaticly.
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29. September 2008 @ 21:38 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Jesus, what the hell. longest argument ever on a non-related issue Award Goes to....(Name Goes Here)
Who gives a flipping Monkey's Wazoo about what Samsung thinks.
There wrong there will always be a need for Optical Disc based Medium, 4 Generations of Optical Media just doesn't fall off the map cause samsung says so.
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LaserDisc
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Are your 4 Generations.
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29. September 2008 @ 21:48 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
you know you guys might make Afterdawn addict status just by arguing a pointless battle.
DXR88, I agree !
The BPI Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
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9. March 2009 @ 12:26 |
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