Originally posted by Mez:

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I could only read about half way down this wacky thread. I figure only Zippy, Lawndog and a few more are not nuts. It is only a movie giveaway! The content can't be much more wacky than this thread.

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Originally posted by Dragula96:

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Originally posted by Mez:

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I could only read about half way down this wacky thread. I figure only Zippy, Lawndog and a few more are not nuts. It is only a movie giveaway! The content can't be much more wacky than this thread.

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LOL, right! So much for staying on topic. Another prime example of mods choosing what and when to ban people. Wasn't this news article about Mr. Moore giving away his documentary for free, via the internet - I could have sworn it was.

Instead you get post after post of people bickering about things that will never change - nothing really related to this news article. If you want change, stand up for yourself and do it. Stop arguing with people over the net, that will never see your views.

This thread has turned into HD DVD vs Blu-ray.

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My concept of free is that when I need the service I get it and don't have to worry about paying for it when I'm on a strecher. And Canadians welcome immigrants, its called compassion for fellow human beings.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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Only those who have never seen anything but one side of an argument can dismiss all the alternatives.

There is another way, and we as a species will learn it the hard way. Our children will see the beginnings and out great grandchildren may win the future.. We, along with our divisive systems will see it all fall apart hard. It is starting now.. luckily most of us will be dead and buried before it matters.
We have to learn to share and to live each other and with our ecosystem.. it will take time and blood, but we will learn... or we will become extinct.

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Originally posted by iluvendo:

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Varnull,

in it's truest form, communisn is the utopian idea. But humans (majority) are lazy, greedy and morally corrupt. This why communism will not work. Unfortunately wwe cannot legislate morality and the work ethic into people, otherwise communism would work


Capitalism, is also like communism. It too is broken for the same reasons. But at least there is some semblence of motivation to work hard.


Neither system is the solution.

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Originally posted by canuckerz:

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Originally posted by iluvendo:

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Varnull,

in it's truest form, communisn is the utopian idea. But humans (majority) are lazy, greedy and morally corrupt. This why communism will not work. Unfortunately wwe cannot legislate morality and the work ethic into people, otherwise communism would work


Capitalism, is also like communism. It too is broken for the same reasons. But at least there is some semblence of motivation to work hard.


Neither system is the solution.

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Unfortunately true, human nature is what ruins ideals and what makes them an impossible goal.

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one person.. one job.. one paycheck.. all the same from the road sweeper to the top exec of a multinational.. because at the end of the day they all do a job and deserve paying for it! why should the top 2% take 85% of the money?

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Originally posted by ThePastor:

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one person.. one job.. one paycheck.. all the same from the road sweeper to the top exec of a multinational.. because at the end of the day they all do a job and deserve paying for it! why should the top 2% take 85% of the money?

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So what incintive would there be to be anything more than a hamburger flipper? Who will innovate, invent, create? Why should they if there is nothing to be gained?
Why should the top 2% make all the money? Because they worked for it and make it possible for you to make whatever you make. You think someone would build that business you work for if all he could make was the same as you? Why should he build his business?
If you don't like it then why don't you strive to become one of the 2% instead of being complacent down in the 85%?

Capitolism has it's flaws, but I have no doubt that if the world was comunist we'd be riding bycycles to our mundane jobs working 80 hours a week paying our taxes to support the unwashed masses who sit back and collect that "fairness" check.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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oooo.. I love when capitalists stuck in the greed system start talking about equality and fairness..

one person.. one vote
one person.. one tax

so how about..

one person.. one job.. one paycheck.. all the same from the road sweeper to the top exec of a multinational.. because at the end of the day they all do a job and deserve paying for it! Why is one person considered more valuable than another? why should the top 2% take 85% of the money? That disgusts me, and should disgust any other fair minded person.
Without this disgusting handout to those who really have so much already they don't know what to do with it we could all have decent housing, decent education and never be cold or hungry. Capitalism is the economics of power and disgusting wealth for the few and screw everybody else. It may have escaped some peoples notice but the gap between rich and poor is growing, leading to an underclass who share none of the common goals the rich and powerful keep going on about in government or the media. For the majority of young people living in the run down cities long abandoned by the rich the only thing they care about is where the next hit or meal is coming from.. They have no future, they have no opportunity to become rich except through the drug and sleaze trades.

I'm a communist, in the more right wing fascist way. Pay everybody the same.. house clothe and feed everybody.. educate them and give them some sort of future with decent housing and decent welfare. Stop this horrid asset stripping of the poor to hand huge houses and 10 cars to the rich and then just maybe the nightmare future we are heading for will be avoided... otherwise watch and wait because sooner or later the poor and dispossessed will burn it all.

MM wants to give his film away to inspire the dispossessed to vote.. I doubt they will bother because it doesn't matter who you vote for.. big business, the rich, and their lackey politician friends always win!

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All wrong.

one person = one vote

one person = one tax

this means everyone pays the same TAX not tax rate.

This is true equality

So if the poorest (sorry, I mean economically challenged) can only pay ONE dollar, then we all pay only ONE dollar.

This is equality

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You are funny. Most of them didn't work for it. Of those that did they only worked for a short amount of time just to get to an easier higher paying job. Then used that to get to a higher paying and easier job. Most of them kissed someones ass enough/treated them like they were very special. Or they were handed it from someone because of nepotism.

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Originally posted by varnull:

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one person.. one vote
one person.. one tax

so how about..

one person.. one job.. one paycheck.. all the same from the road sweeper to the top exec of a multinational.. because at the end of the day they all do a job and deserve payed for it! Why is one person considered more valuable than another? why should the top 2% take 85% of the money? That disgusts me, and should disgust any other fair minded person.

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We must fight these uppercrusted, greedy pigs that have wrought havoc upon the hardworking middle and lowering working class! Vote Obama to save our country! We need a Robin Hood to steal from the rich to defend to poor! Support Public education and end privitization! We are seeing the dark side of Capitalism unfolding. This is want happens when the rich exploit the poor! It is the reason why America is so despised around the world. See the movie "Wall-E" as it is a true reflection of our country. We have become fat, lazy idiots controlled by Conservative and Religious Propaganda! Fight against Conservative Evangelicals pushing for the union of Church and State again! Fight against Bush and his Republican Cronies that have placed our once great nation at a stones throw away from becoming a dictatorship. Watch "StarWars" to see how fradulent wars have lead us to the cusp of the destruction of our cherised Democratic Republic.

Live within your means.Only buy it if you can pay cash (except home but no McMansions!)Buy a sensible car, say a Camry not some chrome bedecked, spinner wheeled SUV.Live moderatly, stop at one beer, don't smoke.Enjoy life, don't cheat on your wife. (Divorce eats up money.)

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Originally posted by iluvendo:

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defgod, I went to school, and college (post graduate). No one paid my way except for my self. I worked hard for what I achieved. I put off many things and endured a poor students life to get ahead. So if you say for all we do, we need to be paid the same , so be it, but I need to add the proviso that all the people that did not postpone their lives and started working after high school, need to spend at least 8 years living as a pauper (in order to equalize the years I spent earning my doctorate). Then your model will be more equal.Also being doctors are on call 24 hours at times (and need to make such calls), I suggest, ditch diggers, garbage collectors, electricians,plumbers, and the rest need to do the same, all without extra compensation, except for the pat on the back and thank you. Being called out in the middle of the night, for an emergency, is no fun.


BTW, I drive a 4 cyl Camry

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But do me a favor, this year instead of using HnR Block to prepare your taxes, or use that 1040ez form. Try a CPA. In fact call one today and setup an appointment to discuss next years tax return and how you can save money and get more on your return. You'll be amazed, and glad you did.

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