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article published on 5 September, 2008
The popular documentary filmmaker Michael Moore has announced that he will be exclusively releasing his latest documentary on the Web for free instead of releasing it traditionally via theaters.
The movie, set for release on September 23rd, is entitled "Slacker Uprising" and document's a 62 city tour of what Moore calls "key swing states during the 2004 U.S. presidential election" where ... [ read the full article ]
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23. September 2008 @ 18:42 |
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I liked your post, lots of good stuff in there... :D
But this just rang wrong.
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I make $100 I lose $1 to the gov.
Somebody else makes $1000 they lose $10 to the gov.
In the US it isn't like this at all.
It's more like:
I make $100 and I lose $1 to the Gov.
somebody else makes $1000 they lose $40 to the gov.
We have a progressive tax system. Those who make more do not pay the same percentage. They pay a higher percentage.
And there is an entire class of people who actually get back MORE than they paid in. This is a form of Welfare that is called a "tax refund".
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23. September 2008 @ 18:53 |
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^^^ far more prophetic that you could know.
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26. September 2008 @ 23:10 |
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
I liked your post, lots of good stuff in there... :D
But this just rang wrong.
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I make $100 I lose $1 to the gov.
Somebody else makes $1000 they lose $10 to the gov.
In the US it isn't like this at all.
It's more like:
I make $100 and I lose $1 to the Gov.
somebody else makes $1000 they lose $40 to the gov.
We have a progressive tax system. Those who make more do not pay the same percentage. They pay a higher percentage.
And there is an entire class of people who actually get back MORE than they paid in. This is a form of Welfare that is called a "tax refund".
The problem with
I make $100 and I lose $1 to the Gov.
somebody else makes $1000 they lose $40 to the gov.
When you subtract $1 from $100 you get $99.
When you subtract $40 from $1000 you get $960.
There is an $861 difference. That to me is too large of a difference. Why? You might ask. Where does that extra money go? Extravagance! That's where. Like paying for a very large house or a high rent apartment in an upscale neighborhood. Also paying for a very nice/new car. Now I have no problem with people making more money. I never have. But the problem that I do have is the large difference in the amount of money made. Also the fact that that amount is getting larger. If things keep going the same there will be no middle class.
There are a few people on here that think I might be lazy. But that Is wrong. No I haven't gone to college. I'm also in my thirties. I would love to go to college but the way to that is so much bs it isn't even funny. There are those people that have done it that way. I applaud those people for doing things exactly the way they're told. I highly doubt I could even get a student loan in this economy right now. I don't have a problem with college graduates. But I do have a problem with the disparities in salaries of college graduates and those that don't have a degree is wrong. We have a very large problem with our education system. There are so many other countries on this planet with better education systems.
I also believe that someone makes $1000 they should lose $100 or more to the gov. Because those that make more money have a higher probability of having a CPA find more tax brakes. I don't believe they deserve any more or better than anyone else. I also can't stand the fact that some people get back more than they put in. The last time I got back what I put in was when I was a teenager working a summer job. Since then I struggle to get back half of what I put in.
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29. September 2008 @ 21:00 |
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Originally posted by defgod:
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I don't have a problem with college graduates. But I do have a problem with the disparities in salaries of college graduates and those that don't have a degree is wrong
So you do not believe in being rewarded for hard work ?
So slackers are equally rewarded just as much as a hard worker ?
I think you have your values standing on its head
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29. September 2008 @ 23:26 |
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Originally posted by 1bonehead:
Originally posted by defgod:
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I don't have a problem with college graduates. But I do have a problem with the disparities in salaries of college graduates and those that don't have a degree is wrong
So you do not believe in being rewarded for hard work ?
So slackers are equally rewarded just as much as a hard worker ?
I think you have your values standing on its head
The problem with your statement is. It seems as if you think I believe that slackers should get the same as hard workers. That is wrong. It also looks like you believe that those that go to college are the only hard workers. Why would you think that? There are so many so called "uneducated" people that work very hard and long hours. Just because someone hasn't went to college doesn't mean that person doesn't work very hard at what they do. Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not. The problem is not with the people it's with our economic system as a whole. Look at the crisis we have now. It lies with those at the top of those companies making extraordinary amounts of money. Making very bad decisions and no accountability. Yet we as taxpayers are expected to for lack of better words "take the rap" for these fools.
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29. September 2008 @ 23:30 |
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Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not.
Are you saying an educated person is not worth more tahan an uneducated person ?
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The RIAA Soundexchange Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, EMI.
The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
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30. September 2008 @ 21:21 |
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Originally posted by 1bonehead:
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Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not.
Are you saying an educated person is not worth more than an uneducated person ?
To a point yes. Just because someone has a degree. Doesn't mean that they are any more intelligent or have a higher IQ for that matter. But there are people working up to 80 hrs a week from the time they left high school till retirement. Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else. The people that work a job while others are in college don't deserve any less. Even though someone is working their ass off in college. Someone else is working their ass off 40 or more hours a week. Some 7 days a week at crazy hours.
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30. September 2008 @ 21:46 |
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Originally posted by defgod:
Originally posted by 1bonehead:
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Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not.
Are you saying an educated person is not worth more than an uneducated person ?
To a point yes. Just because someone has a degree. Doesn't mean that they are any more intelligent or have a higher IQ for that matter. But there are people working up to 80 hrs a week from the time they left high school till retirement. Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else. The people that work a job while others are in college don't deserve any less. Even though someone is working their ass off in college. Someone else is working their ass off 40 or more hours a week. Some 7 days a week at crazy hours.
God help you.
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The IFPI Are: The same anti consumer lot as listed above!
The MPAA Are: SONY, UNIVERSAL, WARNER GROUP, DISNEY, PARAMOUNT, FOX.
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1. October 2008 @ 04:53 |
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Originally posted by 1bonehead:
Originally posted by defgod:
Originally posted by 1bonehead:
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Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not.
Are you saying an educated person is not worth more than an uneducated person ?
To a point yes. Just because someone has a degree. Doesn't mean that they are any more intelligent or have a higher IQ for that matter. But there are people working up to 80 hrs a week from the time they left high school till retirement. Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else. The people that work a job while others are in college don't deserve any less. Even though someone is working their ass off in college. Someone else is working their ass off 40 or more hours a week. Some 7 days a week at crazy hours.
God help you.
What do I need help for?
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1. October 2008 @ 04:58 |
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Originally posted by defgod:
Originally posted by 1bonehead:
Originally posted by defgod:
Originally posted by 1bonehead:
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Just because someone is "educated" doesn't mean they deserve more than someone that is not.
Are you saying an educated person is not worth more than an uneducated person ?
To a point yes. Just because someone has a degree. Doesn't mean that they are any more intelligent or have a higher IQ for that matter. But there are people working up to 80 hrs a week from the time they left high school till retirement. Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else. The people that work a job while others are in college don't deserve any less. Even though someone is working their ass off in college. Someone else is working their ass off 40 or more hours a week. Some 7 days a week at crazy hours.
God help you.
What do I need help for?
Only the unwise (and proud) refuse the help of the Almighty
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1. October 2008 @ 13:17 |
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To a point yes. Just because someone has a degree. Doesn't mean that they are any more intelligent or have a higher IQ for that matter. But there are people working up to 80 hrs a week from the time they left high school till retirement. Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else. The people that work a job while others are in college don't deserve any less. Even though someone is working their ass off in college. Someone else is working their ass off 40 or more hours a week. Some 7 days a week at crazy hours.
Boy, I would just LOVE to live in your world filled with ditch diggers and Drive-Through Cashiers who can't even count out correct change without a computer with pictures on the keyboard.
"Does that make anyone any more or less deserving than anyone else."
Deserving? What do you know about "deserving"? Since when does life give a crap about what you or I "deserve"?
You know, I play by all the rules, never drive wrecklessly on the road and am always considerate of others. I deserve to have my own freaking lane on the freeway!
Deserving? LOL
In this world you only "deserve" what you can WORK HARD FOR AND TAKE FOR YOUR OWN!!!
Otherwise, you don't deserve minimum wage.
Next, you'll be saying that everyone "deserves" to "own" a house and maybe Fannie Mae should start giving home loans to any and everyone reguardless of their ability to pay.
Yeah, that will work out well for you! LOL
Welcome to reality.
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defgod, how about the soldiers that died in Iraq for your freedom to type this. did they deserve that! get over yourself it isn't about what you deserve or don't deserve, life doesn't work that way and if you think it does you are in for a big disappointment
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Originally posted by ZoSoIV:
defgod, how about the soldiers that died in Iraq for your freedom to type this. did they deserve that! get over yourself it isn't about what you deserve or don't deserve, life doesn't work that way and if you think it does you are in for a big disappointment
It's been a while but I thought I might revisit this. Just for some fun. No one died in Iraq for my freedom! Actually the last time anyone died for any ones freedom in this country was WW2. If anyone believes any different they need to be checked in to a psychiatric ward of a hospital! If anyone believes that anyone other than the heads of the largest corporations are the cause of the economic problems need serious help! These idiots make huge mistakes that affect all of our lives and they aren't being really held accountable. There are a lot more things I'd like to say. But I would just be wasting my breath on people that believe the way things are in the world today are just fine.
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defgod, are you saying that foreign policy in Iraq does directly or indirectly affect our freedom ?
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lol a dumb-ass respones 2 plus months later, are you drinking? lol
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I think he's trying to say that people like Marin Luther King and Malcolm X were just killed.. Not that there was any possibility that with what they were saying and the fear that caused in certain sections of society that they didn't die in vain but actually gained freedoms and rights for large numbers of the population who until then had no voice.
defgod.. are you old enough to vote?.. If you are, how did you vote on Prop8? or if your state didn't vote on it what are your feelings about the issue of constitutionally guaranteed rights for minorities?..
I would be interested to know... It would give me some perspective as to where you stand with relation to the other points you seem to be trying to make.
(ain't that a stinker of a question?)
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Originally posted by varnull:
I think he's trying to say that people like Marin Luther King and Malcolm X were just killed.. Not that there was any possibility that with what they were saying and the fear that caused in certain sections of society that they didn't die in vain but actually gained freedoms and rights for large numbers of the population who until then had no voice.
defgod.. are you old enough to vote?.. If you are, how did you vote on Prop8? or if your state didn't vote on it what are your feelings about the issue of constitutionally guaranteed rights for minorities?..
I would be interested to know... It would give me some perspective as to where you stand with relation to the other points you seem to be trying to make.
(ain't that a stinker of a question?)
Wow I didn't think of Dr. King and Malcolm X. They were murdered by (for lack of a better term) crazies. Yes their life's work was for certain freedoms but not in the sense I was speaking of. I was meaning the military/soldier sense. I'm 31 and have never voted. Because I've never seen anything I either care about or will directly affect anyone I know. And never seen a candidate for anything that shared any of my views. But Barack Obama has been the closest. Proposition 8 I don't live in that state. I do believe anyone should be allowed to marry anyone man/woman they choose.
@ZoSoIV I wish I was drunk. Just bored. I found this page as a bookmark when I decided to clean the bookmarks out. I also see that you feel obliged to show your system specs on here. It must be nice to have the money to buy the newer hardware. I am still using 478 P4's and Athlon 64's hell I even have a 462 AthlonXP. Granted I could sell some of what I have now and buy a new system. But I'd rather have three systems just in case.
@lamchops1 What goes on in Iraq (unless there is a all out world war started) has no bearing whatsoever freedoms I have. Yes some of it might be some of the reason for the high gas prices we had back a few months ago. But I believe that is more of an excuse than anything else.
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Originally posted by defgod:
Originally posted by varnull:
I think he's trying to say that people like Marin Luther King and Malcolm X were just killed.. Not that there was any possibility that with what they were saying and the fear that caused in certain sections of society that they didn't die in vain but actually gained freedoms and rights for large numbers of the population who until then had no voice.
defgod.. are you old enough to vote?.. If you are, how did you vote on Prop8? or if your state didn't vote on it what are your feelings about the issue of constitutionally guaranteed rights for minorities?..
I would be interested to know... It would give me some perspective as to where you stand with relation to the other points you seem to be trying to make.
(ain't that a stinker of a question?)
Wow I didn't think of Dr. King and Malcolm X. They were murdered by (for lack of a better term) crazies. Yes their life's work was for certain freedoms but not in the sense I was speaking of. I was meaning the military/soldier sense. I'm 31 and have never voted. Because I've never seen anything I either care about or will directly affect anyone I know. And never seen a candidate for anything that shared any of my views. But Barack Obama has been the closest. Proposition 8 I don't live in that state. I do believe anyone should be allowed to marry anyone man/woman they choose.
@ZoSoIV I wish I was drunk. Just bored. I found this page as a bookmark when I decided to clean the bookmarks out. I also see that you feel obliged to show your system specs on here. It must be nice to have the money to buy the newer hardware. I am still using 478 P4's and Athlon 64's hell I even have a 462 AthlonXP. Granted I could sell some of what I have now and buy a new system. But I'd rather have three systems just in case.
@lamchops1 What goes on in Iraq (unless there is a all out world war started) has no bearing whatsoever freedoms I have. Yes some of it might be some of the reason for the high gas prices we had back a few months ago. But I believe that is more of an excuse than anything else.
Have you ever heard of the butterfly effect ?
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This is a report on a study I found today. It rightfully explains why the well-to-do should be taxed more. It also explains some of the reason for the ever enlarging gap between the middle class and the "rich".
A new study based on unpublished Internal Revenue Service data shows the rich are different when it comes to paying taxes: They hide more of their income.
The previously unreported study estimates that taxpayers whose true income was between $500,000 and $1 million a year understated their adjusted gross incomes by 21% overall in 2001, compared to an 8% underreporting rate for those earning $50,000 to $100,000 and even lower rates for those earning less. (The "net misreporting rate" as the IRS calls it, includes both underreported income and inflated deductions.)
In all, because of their higher noncompliance rates, those with true incomes of $200,000 or more received 25% of all income, but accounted for 40% of net underreported income and 42% of underreported tax in 2001, the new analysis finds.
The study was written by Joel Slemrod, an economics professor and director of the Office of Tax Policy Research at the University of Michigan's business school and IRS economist Andrew Johns. It has not been officially endorsed or even released by the IRS and seems sure to add fuel to the election season debate over whether those earning $250,000 or more should pay higher tax rates, as Sen. Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential nominee, has proposed.
The Slemrod/Johns analysis uses unpublished data from special research audits the IRS conducted on a sample of 45,000 individual returns filed for 2001. It was the IRS' first such research effort since 1988, and it led the agency to estimate the 2001 gross "tax gap" at $345 billion.
The main reason for the income-related cheating disparity: Higher income folks receive more of their income from sources that are easier to hide, including self-employment earnings; income from rents, partnerships and S corporations; and capital gains.
"The distribution of noncompliance lines up pretty closely with who gets income that's hard (for the IRS) to keep track of,'' Slemrod says. Still, he notes, the distribution of income by source doesn't explain all the increased noncompliance at higher income levels.
In its 2001 tax gap study, the IRS estimated that individuals underreported business income by 43% overall. Sole proprietors, who report self-employment income on schedule C of their tax returns, underreported their income a stunning 57%.
By contrast, the IRS found, 99% of all wages were reported by individual tax filers. The obvious explanation is that workers have no choice--their employers report their earnings to the IRS and withhold taxes on them.
Meanwhile, net capital gains for 2001 were underreported by 12%, the IRS estimated. The IRS receives reports from brokers of taxpayers' gross sales of stocks and bonds, but not of their initial costs or profits--therefore it has no way to easily check their reported capital gains. (Last month, as part of the $700 billion bailout bill, Congress mandated that brokers report the basis of any stocks bought in 2011 or later.)
The new study seems to show that the really rich are more tax compliant than the merely well-off, although not nearly as compliant as middle- and working-class wage slaves. Those earning $2 million plus had an 11% underreporting rate. But Slemrod told Forbes that he was "less comfortable" with that finding, noting that the very rich may have made use of techniques that IRS research audits didn't detect.
"I just don't know whether these audits were able to track down really sophisticated noncompliance or Swiss bank accounts. They may underestimate it (noncompliance) at the top,'' he says.
Indeed, in the past several years, the IRS has collected billions in back taxes from wealthy taxpayers who used dicey tax shelters to manufacture huge phony losses in the late 1990s, 2000 and 2001. But the IRS didn't get a handle on the nature or extent of these shelters until years later and relied on tax shelter promoters' customer lists and special self-disclosure programs, not audits, to find most of the taxpayers involved.
Currently, the government is suing UBS for the names of 18,000 wealthy Americans it believes may have had unreported Swiss bank accounts.
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