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article published on 12 September, 2008
Last week we reported that the torrent tracker The Pirate Bay was under fire from the Swedish media for not taking down a user-uploaded torrent that included autopsy pictures of two murdered children. The request was from the father of the murdered children but The Pirate Bay stuck by their morals and refused to take it down, claiming that the Internet is a free place and they refuse to censor.
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varnull
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13. September 2008 @ 12:01 |
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The road to ruin is paved with good intentions.. The ruin of a nation begins in the homes of its people.
You seek to censor me, you seek to be the guardian of "common morality".. you are the censor, the remover and the oppressor. You are the festering evil.
You say they are not the same.. yet they are.. remove ONE THING and more will follow until there is nothing left.. then you will cry in the darkness and we will laugh at you for being so short sighted.
You are not the guardian of my decisions or my choices.. Your decency is not my decency, your "compassion" is not my compassion.. your morals are not my morals.
If you demand to be the censor and dictator of my decisions, compassion and morality then bring your sword for we will meet at dawn.
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13. September 2008 @ 12:14 |
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Originally posted by DRokKer:
About time they cut ties with these media whores. they just suck you in and then drop you when they think it will suit them or there lobbyists.
the media are running scared the internet is taking away there hold on the masses. while ever we have forums to discus and share the truth about what's really going on in the world, they are withered.
@ rosetta have you considered the strong possibility that the whole thing was staged by a member/s of the media. how hard would it be for a reporter with no story, to go and acquire these pictures and upload them. then contact the children's family and ask them if they are aware of what's on pirate bay. how did the farther find out they are on the net? who told him? why does he believe that the pirate bay is responsible? these are questions the media should be investigating IMO.
maybe you are right and it was a stage. Maybe not i don't care to go round in circles with that one. I am no fan of the media, my post didnt support them in any way.
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13. September 2008 @ 12:49 |
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Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.
but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.
keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4
any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.
Romani ite domum
Its the same excuse every time, Afghanistan this Afghanistan that. I agree that yes we need to know what is going on in the world (but I do not want access to this content, its wasted on me, I would never dream of download it) but come on now how can you compare that situation to this. a War in the middle east, soldiers and civilians alike throwing bombs and shooting eachother in cold blood vs two murdered children whose father is in emotional turmoil. No one is forcing their opinion on you, thats just your interpretation. People (like you) are just expressing their opinion.
Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
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jetyi83
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13. September 2008 @ 12:56 |
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Pirate Bay for President!
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13. September 2008 @ 13:01 |
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Hmm..wonder how'd theyd feel if some bloke uploaded a link to child porn. Would piratebay remove it if asked by the government?
Are you really that daft? They have moderators going through 24/7 to get rid of stuff like that.
I wish the idiots would just skim past my posts since they obviously don't see the correlation. If he is proudly hanging out pictures or links of someones dead children out there, how far of a stretch is it to say he would allow links to nude pics of them? He is only a stones throw away from do i ng so. Give it a few years, and he might even endorse it. Slippery slope and all that.
Nothing but a horde of sick nazis IMHO.
youre stupid. There is 0 correlation.
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jetyi83
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13. September 2008 @ 13:05 |
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Originally posted by subpopz :
Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this?
you know i think that is the rhetoric that the USA government used against ogrish.com (what if someone had posted pictures of one of their kids) when it had a freedom of speech policy before they were taken down because too many ppl saw the reality of Afghanistan and Iraq, especially after videos of US troops using white phosphorus in fallujah, iraq appeared, the site was taken off of the net the very next day and now you get directed to liveleak (208.71.130.253) which is heavily moderated by pro american ding bats.
but still many videos appear showing the reality of the Amercian led occupations around the globe, and where do they appear, why the piratebay and mininova.
keep ppl dumb and control them through fear: http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=OnserZOf1-4
any restriction of free speech is bad, it is your choice to view content, don't force your opinions on others to restrict the flow of information that is oppression.
Romani ite domum
Its the same excuse every time, Afghanistan this Afghanistan that. I agree that yes we need to know what is going on in the world (but I do not want access to this content, its wasted on me, I would never dream of download it) but come on now how can you compare that situation to this. a War in the middle east, soldiers and civilians alike throwing bombs and shooting eachother in cold blood vs two murdered children whose father is in emotional turmoil. No one is forcing their opinion on you, thats just your interpretation. People (like you) are just expressing their opinion.
Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
youre stupid too. The line is drawn by legal issues, not personal ones. If having autopsy pictures of murdered children was THAT bad, people would vote and make it a punishable offense, and then it would be legitimate to take them down. Since its not a law, nor is it bad enough to become law, there is no reason to take them down. People might think its nice to take them down, but once you start to censor based on personal opinion, then you have to deal with media bias.
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jetyi83
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13. September 2008 @ 13:12 |
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if we take these pics down, why not take down pics of all autopsies, and dead bodies. They all have parents too. Its like a comedian, you can only make fun of something if you make fun of everything.
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varnull
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13. September 2008 @ 13:23 |
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Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
If it was legal and public domain information then yes, it would be allowed!
I'm not seeking to change anything.. it is others demanding it be taken down who are seeking to change things. The only thing that can and will be changed is my opinion of some of the posters in this thread.
There is content on afterdawn which is illegal under the terms of the DMCA. so that should be removed too? How about taking down afterdawn itself for providing the information needed to break this law?? It may be illegal in the USA,(and other countries which signed up in secret) but it isn't illegal in other countries.
Now I'm pretty sure if you send your IP to the admins of TPB they will happily block you from the site and the tracker.. so there is no need for any more hysterics about 1% of a public report upload.
Now back to the news article.. Regardless of promises the media tried to spin this and set somebody up.. liars and breakers of promises.. The people who should be suffering the wrath of the "outraged mob" are the TV company who behave in such an underhand way, not Peter and the pirate bay admins who are .. or were happy to talk about it and put the arguments for freedom of information before the public.. How can people trust anything they broadcast ever again? I hope this broadcast has been posted all over to show how lowlife and scummy this tv company are.
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13. September 2008 @ 17:35 |
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Yeah, thanks a lot TPB! Instead of champions of copyright reform, this incident will put you into the class of extremists that "traditional media" has already labeled you. Idiots! You should have just took it down. How hard is it, really? This event could be enough to change the course of history as we know it, forever. Piratbyran will never gain any political ground now.
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Rosetta
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13. September 2008 @ 19:06 |
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sorry for double post. please see below :P
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Would all you 'freedom fighters' allow films of murders rapes and child porn, apparently you would. Or maybe then you would draw the line and censor thus contradicting yourselves. Whatever the path you follow on this topic just remember its a debate only and wont change anything.
If it was legal and public domain information then yes, it would be allowed!
I'm not seeking to change anything.. it is others demanding it be taken down who are seeking to change things. The only thing that can and will be changed is my opinion of some of the posters in this thread.
There is content on afterdawn which is illegal under the terms of the DMCA. so that should be removed too? How about taking down afterdawn itself for providing the information needed to break this law?? It may be illegal in the USA,(and other countries which signed up in secret) but it isn't illegal in other countries.
Now I'm pretty sure if you send your IP to the admins of TPB they will happily block you from the site and the tracker.. so there is no need for any more hysterics about 1% of a public report upload.
Now back to the news article.. Regardless of promises the media tried to spin this and set somebody up.. liars and breakers of promises.. The people who should be suffering the wrath of the "outraged mob" are the TV company who behave in such an underhand way, not Peter and the pirate bay admins who are .. or were happy to talk about it and put the arguments for freedom of information before the public.. How can people trust anything they broadcast ever again? I hope this broadcast has been posted all over to show how lowlife and scummy this tv company are.
such an extriemest. how is afterdawn and its articles causing anyone emotional turmoil and causing stress, are there pics of murdered children here, i think not. u are taking what i said a bit to far.
my point in this debate it where do we as human beings draw the line on matters like this, are you really saying that you cant see any sense in that, i certaily can understand what you are saying and i agree to a point but as i said before, i am in the removal camp on this particular issue (my opinion only i reitterate that).
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13. September 2008 @ 21:11 |
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Originally posted by jetyi83:
Pirate Bay for President!
Knock off the meaningless posts, stop multiposting and stop calling others stupid. All of these are in the forum rules (yes, they apply to the news discussions too) which a link can be found in my sig.
To everyone else, while this article is connected to the autopsy pics it is not about the autopsy pics, but about Sunde's so called set-up and his reaction and actions. Please use the TPB autopsy thread for discussion on that topic and lets get this thread back on track.
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varnull
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13. September 2008 @ 21:39 |
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I think anybody with anything more to say on the subject should take it over to the bays forums where we don't have to guard our words for fear of the rules... because there is the same freedom of speech and information practiced in the forums as in the torrent links.
Go on.. I dare you to try your "outraged morality censorship" crap in the den of vipers .. heh heh heh
There must be elections due in Sweden or something for the media to spin it like this.. I smell Brein all over it.
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Rosetta
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13. September 2008 @ 21:41 |
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Some people just dont know when to quit. u got ur opinion and others have theirs. simple as.
listen to what the admin as said THE POST JUST ABOVE YOURS and get back in topic
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13. September 2008 @ 22:28 |
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sig nazis beware.. Im coming to get you
Good thing I'm just a thread title nazi ;)
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varnull
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13. September 2008 @ 23:21 |
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Yes rosetta.. it seems you don't know when to quit do you?
Slagging match will now ensue.. come back when you have maybe 3650 more posts to your account eh?
I seem to be the only person making any RELEVANT comments about the article.. everybody else.. especially YOU is off topic.
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I'm amazed at how people are so enraged at TPB for tracking this torrent, but they don't fly off the handle about the fact that the government itself also makes these documents publicly available. I doubt this story would have received a shred of media coverage or criticism if the files had been posted to Usenet, or Megaupload. With TPB, everyone feels like they have to become judgmental and take it upon themselves to decide where the line between decency and principles must be drawn.
Everyone seemed so happy with TPB and their total non-censorship policy, until it got *their* nose bent out of shape. *Then* TPB's policy was unacceptable! No offense intended towards anyone (you're all entitled to your opinions), but it seems like a pompous double standard, IMHO.
If the entertainment industry really is behind this whole mess (which wouldn't surprise me in the least), it would seem that their new divide-and-conquer technique is quite effective.
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I know this much, If I was that father I would be asking who took the pic/why/what other ones dose that person have of my kids/is any of them show their death and if so their killer? Not hide them. varnull is right.
varnull, you must keep in mind two thing, "PEOPLE" are stupid, "individuals" are smart. What dose that mean? when people gather to "stand for " whatever they want, there brains stop working,they believe anything an EVERYTHING told to them no matter how wrong or false it is.
No matter how smart a person is if they are only willing to listen to those who "perch" "that they know all truths so just follow us don't think and ever thing will be alright. view everything as races against you ," and so on, then they are stupid. And scene they can only "feel" you will never get them to see the truth. After all look at all the people thay are against you in this.
And the other thing is that most people refuse to see the full truth Case in point "subpopz" said "Well, the Pirate Bay has lost my support. I am all for their uncensored, free speech on the internet, but this pushes the limit.
Regardless of free speech, there has to be a limit as to what can be posted up. They censor child porn, as has been stated, then why not this? " If he\she was a true believer in "un-censorship" and "free speech" then they would not of said that. One of the thing they can't comprehend is if you are against censorship then you are against "ALL CENSORSHIP". You can't say "well I want to view this so there should be no censorship on it, but I disagree with that so it should be censored". and as for his\her commit "They censor child porn,"
subpopz, wile it's a sad truth "child porn has been around scene the creation of the word "porn" it will always be around. and try as some might you can find it anywhere If you really want it. Another truth "a child no matter what there age maybe can and will have sex if they really want it". "AND that there will always be an adult that would be willing to help that child{have sex whit}. Now don't get me wrong, I don't support child exploitation, abuse,rape, or porn or gay rights, mirages and so. Why ? How can you say only this "ALTERNATIVE LIVE CHOSE" is right and not any others? If you support one alt. life chose them you support them all. And as far as we know in 10 or 20 years "child porn, mirages" may be l legal. It is after only viewed as illegal because the population doesn't except it.
If you don't agree with something then don't download it and look at it or support it by telling other people about it. But when people say that " well after I downloaded it and looked at all the pics and vids I say it should be banded and censorship needs to be applied. because you have already supported it by downloading it.
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Rosetta
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14. September 2008 @ 20:02 |
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Varnull has been slagging other people in posts not just me, why hasnt that been addressed? i have not slagged anyone off and have made sure that what i am saying is my opinion only and not what MUST be done.
you can go to another forum if you dont like the rules here, somewhere you dont have to adhere to your so called "outraged morality censorship" you talk a load of crap.
how dare you mention the fact i have less posts than you. so i am new to the site what is the problem with that. do not discriminate against me because i am a 'newbie' with an opinion.
you always have to have the last say, you have issues you need to deal with outside of lame rants online, get a life and stop being arrogant. you view isnt the only one. you are not right, there is no right and wrong here only opinions and decisions tpb have made not you. and if you had it your way the world would be a terrible place.
now i know you will be sitting at your pc attempting to reply to this in as witty a way as possible to try and make me look bad so just go ahead and do that if it makes you feel better, i for one am now going to be the bigger person, allow you to have the last word you seem to so crave for and ignore your irrelevent attacks from here on in.
its a shame that i have had to stoop to your level just to get my point of view (WHICH IS RELEVENT) accross. i may get banned for this but sometimes a person just needs to be told they aint the business, and you Sir are one of them.
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Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".
The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.
Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.
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14. September 2008 @ 20:08 |
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The difference is.. some of us understand that things are as they are because.. and we would rather they be like they are than to give up all control to those who would dictate our thoughts and opinions to us.
Life sucks.. get used to it!
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Originally posted by varnull:
The difference is.. some of us understand that things are as they are because.. and we would rather they be like they are than to give up all control to those who would dictate our thoughts and opinions to us.
Life sucks.. get used to it!
*clap clap clap*
Also why is uurrr sig hitting on me?? 0-o...or am I the only one who sees it talking to me.... :P
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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14. September 2008 @ 20:20 |
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Look into my eyes..... buy spore.. buy spore...
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Rosetta
Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".
The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.
Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.
yeh i can see what you are saying, that and thank you for being civil :D
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Originally posted by Rosetta:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Rosetta
Defrance between a noob and a mod/stafer, sometimes people are blinded by mob mentality or the appearance of absolute "right".
The pictures in this case are that of a crime, leaked to the public or not its public information no different that what is showen on TV in the 24 hour new regurgitation cycle.
Funny thing about TV its been sterilized for the protection of man and because its sterile it can control man though information that appears to be true.
yeh i can see what you are saying, that and thank you for being civil :D
I try very hard to keep my drool clear and tasty for all :P
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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