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PS3 is a 'sinking ship', says CNNMoney
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article published on 13 December, 2008
Citing yesterdays disappointing November hardware sales, CNNMoney has called the Sony PlayStation 3 a "sinking ship."
The numbers show that the PS3 sold 19 percent less consoles year-on-year from the same period in 2007, and CNNMoney believes that a substantial price cut is necessary if the console wants to see a growth in sales anytime soon.
After being outsold 840,000 to 380,000 ... [ read the full article ]
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Sazy
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13. December 2008 @ 22:07 |
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I truly want to know if these figures are sales as a console versus sales as a Media Player
If so this is my thoughts:
If you want to compare sales figures from XB359 to PS3 you must also compare the sales figures as each system being a Media Player. I'm assuming that as a Media Player the PS3 outsells the XB359 in very large numbers.
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slickwill
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13. December 2008 @ 22:08 |
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Most consumers could go either way with consoles, so they just choose the 360 b/c of it's lower price. Curse MS and their immoral market practices to take the market by lowering prices. PS3 FTW! (Just Kidding, I own a 360, but a PS3).
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HeretikSa
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13. December 2008 @ 22:48 |
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Wow, "...the fact that nobody cares about Blu-Ray." This just shows the quality of reporting and ignorant generalized statements this site provides.
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13. December 2008 @ 23:17 |
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Originally posted by HeretikSa:
Wow, "...the fact that nobody cares about Blu-Ray." This just shows the quality of reporting and ignorant generalized statements this site provides.
Did you even read the article? I dont think you did or you would have seen that CNNMoney said that, and we refuted it. Crawl back to your hole please.
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13. December 2008 @ 23:32 |
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Im useing bluray no one cares HA... i use it and it looks way better good example is the batman dvd.. on a big screen it looks 10 times better in bluray then dvd had it side by side and ran it on 2 tvs at work same bluray player played both same tv and i showed people the diffrence and you could see a clear diffrence..
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xnonsuchx
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13. December 2008 @ 23:36 |
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Keep in mind CNNMoney (like MOST financial sites) is mostly a bunch of stodgy, out-of-touch old men who JUST figured out how to set the time on their 20yo VCR and were claiming HDTV was bunk LAST year.
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lxhotboy
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13. December 2008 @ 23:56 |
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I'm assuming that as a Media Player the PS3 outsells the XB359 in very large numbers.
Is this denial? b/c is seems to be a statement to overlook the point of this article and change the view relating to sales of the PS3 console.
I think most people know i have been preaching and will continue to say that the PS3 is overpriced. Regardless of what you get and what a great bargain some think it may be it is overpriced and that is the bottom line. Even after the release of some great titles the price hold the PS3 back. Sales prove that the majority of the world thinks their are better deals out there. Please dont mistake me for saying the PS3 is not a great console b/c i am not downing the console or even comparing them no further than the prices.
Average Prices
Xbox360----$199
Wii -------$249 (No need 2 lower price, Sales are great)
PS3 -------$399
Has anyone ever wondered that had sony chosen to leave out the blueray drive if the PS3 would not have outsold the Xbox360 by now already? I am willing to bet that if they had waited on the BR and had a lower more reasonable price that the sales numbers would be diff. Lots of people have to money to spend but steer clear of that pricetag.
If the price of the PS3 was a deciding factor in what console you purchased please post your opinion.
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lxhotboy
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14. December 2008 @ 00:21 |
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Originally posted by ads:
Im useing bluray no one cares HA... i use it and it looks way better good example is the batman dvd.. on a big screen it looks 10 times better in bluray then dvd had it side by side and ran it on 2 tvs at work same bluray player played both same tv and i showed people the diffrence and you could see a clear diffrence..
I think the meaning was that the majority dont care about blueray and I agree. DVD is still the media of choice. Again price is an issue here as well as with the PS3.
Oops i just found this on a sony site telling basically that most feel the same way i do. Overprice, blueray isnot hot are my opinions but the article talks about PS3 lacking must have titles and even goes as far to say that PS3 Home isnot helping sales. I disagree and think they have some great must have exclusives.
http://www.sonyinsider.com/2008/12/12/co...sales-way-down/
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14. December 2008 @ 00:35 |
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when they get under a $1.00 USD to copy a bluray for a backup without all the garbage and just the plain movie come talk to me
On A Side Note IF The PS3 was moddable it would increase sales
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artguy03
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14. December 2008 @ 00:54 |
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I've waited patiently to buy a PS3, but have held off for a number of reasons. The price is the major factor. In a market where Blu-ray players can be found for $100-$150 (and falling rapidly), having a built-in player is no longer a huge value factor. Another issue is backwards compatibility. I resent doling out 400-plus dollars for a system that won't play the numerous PS2 games I've invested in and enjoyed over the years..why in the hell should I have to hook up TWO Sony game systems to play my games (or spend $500 on a 60gb PS3)?! Sony will continue to marginalize itself if it doesn't address these issues. I will continue to wait until I can buy a PS3 in its present configuration for $250 or less.
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lxhotboy
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14. December 2008 @ 01:02 |
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Originally posted by artguy03:
I've waited patiently to buy a PS3, but have held off for a number of reasons. The price is the major factor. In a market where Blu-ray players can be found for $100-$150 (and falling rapidly), having a built-in player is no longer a huge value factor. Another issue is backwards compatibility. I resent doling out 400-plus dollars for a system that won't play the numerous PS2 games I've invested in and enjoyed over the years..why in the hell should I have to hook up TWO Sony game systems to play my games (or spend $500 on a 60gb PS3)?! Sony will continue to marginalize itself if it doesn't address these issues. I will continue to wait until I can buy a PS3 in its present configuration for $250 or less.
Good points. I gave my PS2 to my teenage cousins and was going to buy another one. Then i heard about the PS3 release and decided to wait b/c i would be able to play all my PS2 games on PS3. The killed that with the newer models.
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14. December 2008 @ 01:41 |
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Well I bought the 60gb PS3 so I could play my 200 ps2 games and a few ps3 titles and do you know how many times I have played the ps2 games? Once! It's like going back to play on a 1982 Space Invaders after playing on PS3. The Blu-ray player sounds great but like many I don't actually have any blu-ray discs as they are way too pricey still. But there is another big plus for PS3 which many of my xbox friends are very jealous of - the free online play. We have a Wi but it is gathering dust as let's be honest it's complete rubbish after the novelty wears off (2 weeks in my case). Another reason for buying Sony was that after years of computer blue screens of death which have returned again as if they had never briefly left in the last years of XP with my hideously bug infested Vista computer. Decades of selling stuff that doesn't work seems to have been overlooked. Why would I buy something made by Microsoft ? It'll be a sad day if we end up with a monopoly in gaming like in computers. We'll see how long the 200 USD xbox lasts when that happens!
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windsong
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14. December 2008 @ 01:47 |
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Um..OK, I already have an e8400 cpu so why do I need a ps3 for blu-ray when I can just grab a few remux vids of the movie only at hd-bits? And 500 gig drives are 50 bucks now!
Sony needs excellent games that are ps3 exclusive and fast. At LEAST 10 games this year that are triple AAA titles not available for ANY other system..honestly, why should I shell out money when my PC will give a superior experience? Bioshock, Fallout 3, Devil May Cry, etc. And drop the price.
And where the HELL is FF13?! And ICO 2? Shadow of the colossus 2? God of War 3? These games should have been out by now! Too little, too late.
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14. December 2008 @ 02:55 |
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I'm not sure that I agree with DVDBack23 about the wonderful future for Blu-ray. Yes, among tech fans there may be great interest, but sales data from this year don't back up the idea that the general public will be dumping DVD's soon. Search around the web for data yourself, but I offer some examples of why I'm a somewhat of a skeptic.
>>Look at Google Trends -- which does a good job of telling what consumers are interested at this time. Try this search for Blu-ray and DVD. As you can see, amongst the general public, for every single search about Blu-ray, there are at a minimum 30-40 searches for DVD.
>>New York Times article from November. Look closely at the graph included in the article and you will see that Blu-Ray sales are not even 5% of the sales of DVD's.
Now with that graph in mind, consider that Mr. David Bishop who is the president of Sony Pictures Home Entertainment can be seen in an interview just last week (Dec 4) projecting that the annual growth of Blu-ray sales will be between 150% and 300%. Even annual tripling growth of Blu-ray sales will still leave them far in the dust of DVD sales for at least 3-4 years. This is in line with industry projections earlier this year which didn't have Blu-ray passing DVD's until 2012.
So even if this rate of growth is faster than DVD sales growth was in the 90's, what's different now is the possibility of Hi-def Video-on-Demand. I will probably buy a Blu-ray player, but I'm not in a rush to do so. I am anxious to see just how good the price and convenience of HD On-demand will be, and I'm thinking I'll have the opportunity to find out well before 2012.
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14. December 2008 @ 04:39 |
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While I am kind of surprised that CNNMoney attacked the PS3, I am glad that they said a substantial price cut is necessary for the PS3 to catch up.
I've thought about buying one sometime but can't justify the price at the moment. Maybe if a few bigger media outlets mention a price cut would boost sales then a price cut may actually happen.
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The high price tag (All Xbox 360 models are cheaper than cheapest PS3), the fact that no one cares about Blu-ray, and the lack of strong selling titles for the platform.
Apparently CNN thinks the same price is a synonym for cheaper because according to Gamestop's website the cheapest non-refurbished PS3 is the 80GB model for $399.99, which is the same price as the Xbox 360 Elite, which is the most expensive model.
As for the "hot selling exclusive titles", according to this article, the only PS3 exclusive to break the top ten was Resistance 2, which sold 385,000 units.
BigLittlePlanet sold 141,000 units in November and 215,000 in its launch month of October. Those are not bad numbers, but they are not really great ones either.
MGS4 sold well for the first week. After that it dropped to only 68,000 units for week two according to Kotaku.
Call of Duty: World at War sold pretty well in November for the PS3 though, checking in at 597,000 units sold.
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14. December 2008 @ 04:43 |
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It seems like every year around Christmas time we get a rush of the same old articles based on weekly numbers that don't mean anything, especially NPD numbers which only account for sales in North America, and not even all of N. America at that.
2 months ago we were hearing that the XBox360's lifecycle was coming to an end when PS3 out sold it 6 out of 8 weeks in September & October. Only a month later we're hearing PS3 is dead.
The truth of the matter is; NPD is a useless method of tracking VideoGame console sales. Worldwide numbers are the only numbers that count and NPD discounts them. Total sales (worldwide) for 2008 will start surfacing at the end of January/beginning of February 2009.
I suggest all the fanboys & girls wait until then.
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14. December 2008 @ 05:53 |
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The PS3 Titanic IS a sinking ship. Even if you don't follow the news you know it. I hope PS3 has enough lifeboats. Anyways, I'm really disappointed in the games. Blu-ray may be a nice bonus, but I rather play games, not movies. I have a stand-alone for that. There's only a handful of games I like for PS3 and there's 4 times that I play regularly for XBOX360. Online gaming is the deal breaker. Even though PS3 is free online I spend more time on XBOX live simply because more of my friends own XBOX. Why? They refuse to shell out money for the pricey PS3. I don't think anyone can say more of their friends own a PS3 versus owning XBOX. For me, there's nothing better than owning my friends online. Love it. I just think more users equals more money for XBOX. More users also means a steady flow of games being developed for XBOX. Price tag is the killer, even though I still bought my PS3 at $499. My PS3 doesn't gather dust, but it doesn't get quality workout sessions either.... it also doesn't get red rings (at least 3/4 of my friends experienced it)..... but if people can still buy XBOX knowing about that red ring of death, Sony has problems. Drop that price SONY!!!!!! Take the hit on the front end, but reap rewards with more users who will buy games for it.... just think like a drug dealer, get em hooked first and watch em flock... maybe even charge for online play when you have a huge following. But what do I know, I'm just Joe Gamer. I'll leave the marketing strategy to the experts.
BTW - The WII is a killer for parties. And it's the only thing most girls will touch that involves video games. Top it off with your favorite drinking game and get some personal time in with the ladies and your WII! Ha! I blame that little system for putting a few of my buddies on lockdown. They will be missed for happy hour.
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14. December 2008 @ 07:00 |
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Reading none of the above posts, I gotta say that PS3 needs a price cut. A month or two ago I was saying no to that idea but if Sony wants to catch up at least a £50 price cut would help probably a lot.
Seeing that the Home beta is pretty useless right now, there's nothing that'll make gamers want to buy a PS3 when a 360 is so cheap.
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domie
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14. December 2008 @ 07:06 |
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CNN always talk crap - their obsession with having a reporter from every country, every language and every ethnic background possible shows how they repeatedly ignore quality to focus on poitical correctness.
If they think the PS3 is a sinking ship then what do they think of -
1) world stock markets
2) GM , Ford and Chrysler
3) world housing/property markets
4) major banks worldwide
5) retail giants in the high street
has anybody actually told CNN what has been going on over the last 6 months ? I think they need to know as they obviously seem to know nothing at the minute. Of course the cheapo X Box is going to outsell the PS3 in its home base of the USA especially in a credit crisis - did CNN even bother to research world sales of each console or do they consider just because it is not # 1 in the states that it is therefore doomed to global failure ? Sorry CNN - there is more to the world than the states.
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14. December 2008 @ 07:34 |
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It don't shock me to hear crap like this if they really did there research they would know that PS3 sells are up over last year.Sony is worrying about Sony not everyone else which i think is great idea.Because PS3 isn't outselling the other two don't mean its a sinking ship that's the most stupid statement Ive heard this year.For those that say it need a price drop your wrong it don't need one at the moment.You can't buy a Mercedes for a Honda price.PS3 is a highend console with a lot to offer can we say that about the other two consoles ? which is going to be dead in two or three years.Sony plan is simple longevity which mean you will get a return on your investment in the long run.I can think of a lot of reason to own a PS3 & very little to own the other two consoles(i got a Wii which is collecting dust at this time).
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14. December 2008 @ 07:53 |
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Several things stand out about this article, first and foremost they neglect to mention the current state of the economy as a factor for decreased sales. 2nd, blu ray is lackluster? Really? Where did they get that data from?
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siber
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14. December 2008 @ 08:28 |
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Haven't made any comments in a LONG, LONG time...Have a European and a US PS3. Great technology but hampered by Sony's paranoia about 'Piracy'. I am concerned about Blu-Ray's chances. After 2 years I still am not getting the variety of titles/programs that I had expected would be available. Two out of Three times I go to a store looking for the Blu-Ray disc without finding it. The regular DVD is available but I refuse at this point to buy any more DVD's. So, I go home, money saved. I also don't think a 50% higher price for Blu-Ray versions is going to fly...
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blackmack
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14. December 2008 @ 08:42 |
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To assume XBOX and WII will be dead in two or three years is crazy. Would you be willing to bet on that? Anyways, it still comes down to money. Business is business. Anyone know how much money Sony has made with the PS3 line? Is it enough to pump a fair amount of cash to develop a next gen PS? In two or three years, XBOX and WII will be looking to upgrade with profits made. Think how how much better technology will be in 3 years. Electronics are getting cheaper to make as well. I just don't see Sony turning it around enough to be considered a contender in the next few years. The PS3 may just be left in the dust. I'm no fanboy, but I play whats fun. PS2 was my system of choice, now it just so happens to be XBOX. If Honda made a console that murdered PS, XBOX, and WII in overall fun I'd buy it and it wouldn't cost as much as a Mercedes.
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14. December 2008 @ 09:36 |
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Originally posted by blackmack:
To assume XBOX and WII will be dead in two or three years is crazy. Would you be willing to bet on that? Anyways, it still comes down to money. Business is business. Anyone know how much money Sony has made with the PS3 line? Is it enough to pump a fair amount of cash to develop a next gen PS? In two or three years, XBOX and WII will be looking to upgrade with profits made. Think how much better technology will be in 3 years. Electronics are getting cheaper to make as well. I just don't see Sony turning it around enough to be considered a contender in the next few years. The PS3 may just be left in the dust. I'm no fanboy, but I play whats fun. PS2 was my system of choice, now it just so happens to be XBOX. If Honda made a console that murdered PS, XBOX, and WII in overall fun I'd buy it and it wouldn't cost as much as a Mercedes.
Wii is already dead to developers because they've decided not to make games for it, for the most part. You'll see Nintendo releasing the bulk of the Wii games other than a few half-baked ports of top sellers like Madden, etc.
Microsoft has released 4 completely different versions of the 360 game console since 2005 (Premium, Core, Elite, Arcade), all of which have completely different functions. To make matters worse, the XBox game division is operating at almost a $9 Billion dollar loss.
If that's not enough, the XBox360 is currently on fire-sale (a la HD-DVD) in order to make room for the new XBoxHD which is on it's way Q4 2009 - Q1 2010.
This war with Sony is sure costing Microsoft a bundle:
-$150 Million (HD-DVD Paramount/Dreamworks debacle)
Cha-Ching
-$1.5 Billion (Red Ring of Death Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$3 Billion (Original XBox & Core Leftovers)
Cha-Ching
-$50 Million (GTA IV DLC)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (RROD Repairs before 07' Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (HD-DVD Technology, Advertisements, various incentives)
I'm sure there are more that weren't reported.
So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.
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bvz
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14. December 2008 @ 09:37 |
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I will first state that I own a PS3 and not an Xbox, however I won it in a contest, so I did not have to shell out the $400 for it. That being said, I believe price has everything to do with the fact the PS3 is not selling well. And it is from all angles, there is no economy model so its basically all or nothing. For people who aren't hardcore gamers, the added Hard drive and online play means nothing to them, and is not value added. Also to me it seems the price of the majority of PS3 titles are more expensive than Xbox titles. I know when first released both Xbox and PS3 titles are $60, however, since the Xbox has more titles, there seem to be a lot more older games around $20. So if someone is buying a new system and wants to get a catalog started they can spend $120 on 5-6 games with xbox, or 2-3 with PS3. One thing people do not seem to be talking about is the youth market, people buying a system for their kids. Most kids, 7 to say 14, do not care about blue-ray, or Hard drive space, all they care about is games, and parents care about the price of those games, as well as the price of the system. So until Sony drops the price of both, they will be sitting in the background.
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