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PS3 is a 'sinking ship', says CNNMoney
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article published on 13 December, 2008
Citing yesterdays disappointing November hardware sales, CNNMoney has called the Sony PlayStation 3 a "sinking ship."
The numbers show that the PS3 sold 19 percent less consoles year-on-year from the same period in 2007, and CNNMoney believes that a substantial price cut is necessary if the console wants to see a growth in sales anytime soon.
After being outsold 840,000 to 380,000 ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by bvz:
I will first state that I own a PS3 and not an Xbox, however I won it in a contest, so I did not have to shell out the $400 for it. That being said, I believe price has everything to do with the fact the PS3 is not selling well. And it is from all angles, there is no economy model so its basically all or nothing. For people who aren't hardcore gamers, the added Hard drive and online play means nothing to them, and is not value added. Also to me it seems the price of the majority of PS3 titles are more expensive than Xbox titles. I know when first released both Xbox and PS3 titles are $60, however, since the Xbox has more titles, there seem to be a lot more older games around $20. So if someone is buying a new system and wants to get a catalog started they can spend $120 on 5-6 games with xbox, or 2-3 with PS3. One thing people do not seem to be talking about is the youth market, people buying a system for their kids. Most kids, 7 to say 14, do not care about blue-ray, or Hard drive space, all they care about is games, and parents care about the price of those games, as well as the price of the system. So until Sony drops the price of both, they will be sitting in the background.
until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.
Worldwide numbers is all that matters.
http://www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2
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14. December 2008 @ 09:47 |
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What I can't understand is that poor PS3 sales figures mean a whole bunch of people have to comment on the amount of dust thats on their Wii system (get a hoover).
These two systems are totally different if its gathering dust sell it now just before Christmas, its the ideal time.
I have a Wii and bought it for my kids and wife to use and it serves its purpose. Its graphically poor but is still adequate to play games some of which are good and can take 20-30hrs still to finish.
Now I'm interested in a next gen console too but have been put off by the £300 PS3 price tag and put off by XBox 360 reliability. I will get one eventually but either need PS3 to be £200 or XBox 360 Jasper to be freely available before I go ahead.
At the moment I can only see myself going for the XBox the price difference of £150 is too big to ignore.
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14. December 2008 @ 10:07 |
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until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.
Worldwide numbers is all that matters.
www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2/
You are correct, the PS3 outsold Xbox worldwide, but only by 230,000 units, and only for the quarter. Even in the article you quoted, it stated
"That puts Sony at 16.84 million PS3s in the world compared to Microsoft's 24 million 360s."
So they may have gained a quarter million, but they are still down by 7 million. And this was from July-Sept, before the Xbox price drop.
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14. December 2008 @ 10:25 |
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until a month ago the PS3 was outselling the xbox 360 in all territories.
Worldwide numbers is all that matters.
www.joystiq.com/2008/10/29/worldwide-ps3-sales-beat-xbox-360-in-q2/
You are correct, the PS3 outsold Xbox worldwide, but only by 230,000 units, and only for the quarter. Even in the article you quoted, it stated
"That puts Sony at 16.84 million PS3s in the world compared to Microsoft's 24 million 360s."
So they may have gained a quarter million, but they are still down by 7 million. And this was from July-Sept, before the Xbox price drop.
Umm... With a year head start it's 7 million. Also remember that 360 shipped 5 million at launch. PS3 shipped under 140,000 at launch and wasn't readily available on a consistent basis until Summer 2007.
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14. December 2008 @ 10:52 |
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Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
Keep in mind CNNMoney (like MOST financial sites) is mostly a bunch of stodgy, out-of-touch old men who JUST figured out how to set the time on their 20yo VCR and were claiming HDTV was bunk LAST year.
Give this man a prize. If I am correct they also said that HD-DVD was to be the choice to go with and then a few weeks later we all know what happened.
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
While I am kind of surprised that CNNMoney attacked the PS3, I am glad that they said a substantial price cut is necessary for the PS3 to catch up.
You shouldn't be at all surprised by CNN attacking the PS3 this is not the first time from my understanding.
Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
As for the "hot selling exclusive titles", according to this article, the only PS3 exclusive to break the top ten was Resistance 2, which sold 385,000 units.
BigLittlePlanet sold 141,000 units in November and 215,000 in its launch month of October. Those are not bad numbers, but they are not really great ones either.
MGS4 sold well for the first week. After that it dropped to only 68,000 units for week two according to Kotaku.
Call of Duty: World at War sold pretty well in November for the PS3 though, checking in at 597,000 units sold.
Resistance 2 came out in the US at an earlier date and the EU a few weeks ago so those numbers are not a correct overview of how it has really sold (yet).
LittleBigPlanet has sold 1 Million World Wide. I fail to see how something that sells that amount is downplayed by most sites yet Fallout3 has sold the same (last info I have seen) and is heralded as a better success (yet it's a multiplat)?
MGS4 has sold more than 3 Million. Nothing more needs to be said other than Kotaku is widely known more as a site for the Xbox crowd.
Originally posted by gleone:
It seems like every year around Christmas time we get a rush of the same old articles based on weekly numbers that don't mean anything, especially NPD numbers which only account for sales in North America, and not even all of N. America at that.
2 months ago we were hearing that the XBox360's lifecycle was coming to an end when PS3 out sold it 6 out of 8 weeks in September & October. Only a month later we're hearing PS3 is dead.
The truth of the matter is; NPD is a useless method of tracking VideoGame console sales. Worldwide numbers are the only numbers that count and NPD discounts them. Total sales (worldwide) for 2008 will start surfacing at the end of January/beginning of February 2009.
I suggest all the fanboys & girls wait until then.
I can understand and agree with part of what you said (outside of the fanboy comment...please refrain from that even if it is a "passing" indirect comment). NPD is undoubtedly the best place to get nubers from for the US but I agree there is too much "selective information gathering" in the media. Here are some monthly totals from NPD (US) & Media Create (JP)
It shows the 360 & PS3 are REALLY close and from preliminary information the PS3 has sold slightly better in the EU but we shall see as I still think the 360 probably will edge it out because of it's price point. While on price point I have to add this comment I came across that makes a very clear perspective of things
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The unit that the 360 is priced with, the Wii is killing it....Come on folks. Its like yeah, we get it, a cheaper 360 sells more than the expensive PS3. but-big-but. I mean, its a price war right now.. The 360 is getting second for being less expensive than the wii.. and the ps3 is third at double the price.
I can't understand how the media portrays all this selective "doom & gloom" information without an open perspective on how things REALLY sit. Either way even if the 360 takes 2nd for the year (as I feel it most likely will) it is not without a huge mark against it being that it priced lower than the Wii and half the price of a PS3 only to sell slightly better than the PS3.
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Wii is already dead to developers because they've decided not to make games for it, for the most part. You'll see Nintendo releasing the bulk of the Wii games other than a few half-baked ports of top sellers like Madden, etc.
Microsoft has released 4 completely different versions of the 360 game console since 2005 (Premium, Core, Elite, Arcade), all of which have completely different functions. To make matters worse, the XBox game division is operating at almost a $9 Billion dollar loss.
If that's not enough, the XBox360 is currently on fire-sale (a la HD-DVD) in order to make room for the new XBoxHD which is on it's way Q4 2009 - Q1 2010.
This war with Sony is sure costing Microsoft a bundle:
-$150 Million (HD-DVD Paramount/Dreamworks debacle)
Cha-Ching
-$1.5 Billion (Red Ring of Death Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$3 Billion (Original XBox & Core Leftovers)
Cha-Ching
-$50 Million (GTA IV DLC)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (RROD Repairs before 07' Warranty extension)
Cha-Ching
-$2 Billion (HD-DVD Technology, Advertisements, various incentives)
I'm sure there are more that weren't reported.
So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.
Very good points but in all fairness Sony has taken quite a few hits lately with expenses and the economy being the way it is isn't helping them (or any company). Here are 2 additional reportings to add to that list ~ MS lost 11 Billion USD on Vista and who knows what on the Zune (if anyone has any figures please post). I have to wholeheartedly agree to wait until January to REALLY make any culmination of "who is where at what stage" properly. As for the Wii's lackluster shovelware titles...you couldn't have said it any better (though I think I kind of said it worse or is it better...oh forget it, lol). Here are 2 very good reads over at IGN about this years PS3, 360 & Wii titles (exclusive & Multiplat), their scores and such
http://au.games.ign.com/articles/937/937519p1.html
http://ps3.ign.com/articles/937/937569p2.html
I have to commend them on not including any PC versions of any titles because it is not an exclusive if it is available to anyone someway else. But there is no way anyone can say the Wii has the "better" games which is a shame because of the total market domination they have currently.
But to end on topic, there is way too much biased or half truth information going around when it comes to Sony's PS3. It's getting to be ridiculous how sites (news or gaming) & people pick and choose what they want to read into without the overall picture not being held in account. It's all about hits and shocking titles instead of proper reporting and open perspectives.
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14. December 2008 @ 11:00 |
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I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.
In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.
If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.
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Originally posted by plmuon:
I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.
In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.
If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.
It is not arrogance. They keep the price where it's at because of it's stockholders and the pursuit of being profitable/not taking more unnecessary losses. All information is pointing to a March/February price cut.
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14. December 2008 @ 11:24 |
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I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.
If PS3 brought out some quality exclusive games that would give more people the reason to buy the system.
Currently my PS3 is being used as a Blu-ray/DVD player and my xbox is the gaming machine.
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14. December 2008 @ 12:04 |
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Dang!!!...What happens in the dark will always come to the light. I posted lastnight about the PS3 price and i am not going to count how many people have posted basically saying the same thing. Also i noted that a lot of people seem to have wanted a PS3 originally as their first choice just as i did.
I am also glad microsoft's dirt came to the light as well b/c it doesnot make sense to sell a product that you knew was originally defective. (RROD) At least they admitted and honor their extended warranty though. The next issue Microsoft needs to address is that lousy d-pad they released on their controller. It makes it hell to play 2-d fighting games like MK series, SF Series etc... It isnt well built. I would rather use a SNES controller with those types of games rather than miss an uppercut or fireball move when it counts most.
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So, like I said in my previous post; NPD numbers are as useless as t*ts on a bull. Worldwide numbers for the year will be release at the end of January 2009. Wait until then.
I understand what you are saying but HONESTLY... if you had to bet your next months salary on who would sale most as the years end an educated guess would say that Wii will be in first, Xbox360 will be number two, and PS3 will most likely be last.
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I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.
good games can only take the PS3 so far when the masses agree a price cut of the console is necessary.
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Originally posted by chubbyInc:
I think people should complain less about the price and more about the limited amount of good games.
If PS3 brought out some quality exclusive games that would give more people the reason to buy the system.
Currently my PS3 is being used as a Blu-ray/DVD player and my xbox is the gaming machine.
Where you been hiding the last year to make a crazy & foolish statement like that.....lol.
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Originally posted by plmuon:
I have waited 1 year to buy a PS3, waiting for the price to come down.
In the meantime, standalone blueray players have dropped to Sfr. 200 (about $150) so I have bought a stand-alone player, and instead of the PS3 I have bought a WII 3 weeks ago. The WII is much cheaper and so are the games for it. The more serious games I'll continue to play on PC.
If PS3 price would have dropped, I would have bought one. PS3 will go down if sony remains so arrogant.
Its isn't Arrogant right now the cost to Sony to make a PS3 is 300 bucks so where can they give the price cut.Sony going to make one next year around March which is the end of there year end cycle.
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14. December 2008 @ 12:42 |
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Isn't sony already taking a huge hit by selling the ps3 at 400 usd? If they drop the price anytime soon that's going to be a red flag that they are getting desperate. They really have to approach this issue carefully, instead of trying to improve everything on the ps3 at once they should focus on one aspect at a time eventually making a well rounded media center/console and then tweaking all the different little things.
I know this has been repeated time and time again but the emphasis on blu-ray movies helped them in the beginning and now is hurting them. They haven't focused as much on the other aspects of the console. I remember all of those firmware updates seemed to be for audio/video codec's and tweaking blu-ray playback. I really want the ps3 to fair well in this current-gen battle but it still seems like an uphill struggle considering how much they've invested in this console and the 10 year plan that has been laid out.
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Originally posted by redux79:
Isn't sony already taking a huge hit by selling the ps3 at 400 usd? If they drop the price anytime soon that's going to be a red flag that they are getting desperate. They really have to approach this issue carefully, instead of trying to improve everything on the ps3 at once they should focus on one aspect at a time eventually making a well rounded media center/console and then tweaking all the different little things.
I know this has been repeated time and time again but the emphasis on blu-ray movies helped them in the beginning and now is hurting them. They haven't focused as much on the other aspects of the console. I remember all of those firmware updates seemed to be for audio/video codec's and tweaking blu-ray playback. I really want the ps3 to fair well in this current-gen battle but it still seems like an uphill struggle considering how much they've invested in this console and the 10 year plan that has been laid out.
Sony has said that they where to be profitable with the PS3 by end of quarter 2008 and had been rumored to be at breaking even a few months back. I think someone here already said the BD laser was like $90 to make in the beginning and is now at $9 currently or something to that effect. I really can't see how something that is 2x the price in the US and about 4x the price in the EU selling equal numbers to it's direct HD competitor that has a current entry level price of $199 and having a 1 year head start "failing" or to be looked at as bad? I am sorry but I cannot agree with that.
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God of War 3
I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha
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I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha
Checkout Spike TV tonight they are going to show actual in game footage tonight....Cmon DVD what about Killzone 2 ?
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14. December 2008 @ 14:38 |
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In defense to the PS3, in order to get the Xbox 360 to be anything like the PS3 as far a features, you end up spending more than what the 160GB PS3 sells for. The Xbox doesn't have wireless built in, or a High Definition player, (the HD-DVD player is extra). The PS3 is WI-FI ready, and already has Blu-Ray built in. Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned. The PS3 has an 8 core processor that is only using 7 cores. The GPU on the Xbox is also running a shared RAM system, unlike the PS3. Give it time, and the PS3 will be wiping the floor with XBOX due to the lacking hardware. Xbox will have to come out with a new system just to keep up.
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Originally posted by Fab_Rat:
Plus the Xbox is pretty much running at capacity as far as hardware is concerned.
I believe I actually said that last year (maybe even a bit earlier)! But you can't really say it's a slouch...I mean look at Gears 2 you have to give it it's due credit, though I have to throw a jab at it in that it is not a vast difference in graphical advance over the first. But that is more of a testament to the Unreal engine showing it's age and not really the 360. Hopefully MS can come up with something inhouse that extends their "power" inside.
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I really do hope we see that next year. Probably the only game I would ever go to buy in stores on launch night haha
Checkout Spike TV tonight they are going to show actual in game footage tonight....Cmon DVD what about Killzone 2 ?
Thanks guys, and yeah Killzone looks great too but I'm more of a fan of 3rd person adventure/action games over FPS, and GOW 2 was my favorite game ever. :)
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Then if you watch the VGA's tonight you will also get a sneak peek at Uncharted 2 for your TPS fix!
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Originally posted by Oner:
Then if you watch the VGA's tonight you will also get a sneak peek at Uncharted 2 for your TPS fix!
They're showing Uncharted 2 gameplay already? They just announced though?
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14. December 2008 @ 15:40 |
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Lower the price and i will buy one,simple as.The way things are at the moment i just can not afford one.
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14. December 2008 @ 16:42 |
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well idk but, i also own all three consoles, and i love the ps3 only for its bluray capabilities, i love watching hi def movies..my 360 is the gaming machine i use everyday though. The fact is.. ps3 needs to come up with better games and most importantly, lower the console price!. I mean look at the 360...only $200 for the arcade plus $40 for a 20gb hard drive, and a controller: http://www.circuitcity.com/ssm/Refurbish...roductDetail.do
I also have waaaay more friends on 360 than on ps3, so i play 360 more. Oh yeah, and the wii... just sucks.. never use it.
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14. December 2008 @ 16:59 |
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Look, I think it should be considered a "sinking ship" due to the graphics! It worse then the PS1 & PS2! The firmware in the PS3 is 1.50% and the PS1 & PS2 is 1.80%.
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