Citing yesterdays disappointing November hardware sales, CNNMoney has called the Sony PlayStation 3 a "sinking ship."
The numbers show that the PS3 sold 19 percent less consoles year-on-year from the same period in 2007, and CNNMoney believes that a substantial price cut is necessary if the console wants to see a growth in sales anytime soon.
After being outsold 840,000 to 380,000 ... [ read the full article ]
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Damn Oner, Those are some nice screenshots. I will have hotsauce on with my laptop now and a little bit of lemonpepper. LMAO
Been wanting a PS3 for a while to play uncharted but i dont see paying that much for it. Plus i am tired of wanting to play a game but i cant b/c my 5year old is hogging the 360 playing NFS. They need to get that price drop done in a hurry.
Originally posted by redux79: LOL now I know why this page took forever to load... those are some great screen shots, I can't really tell if those are in-game or cinematic.
When I eventually buy a ps3 I'll most likely only get the ps3 exclusive titles, and leave the multi-console releases for 360.
Naughty Dog uses "in-game" for everything from the gameplay to the cinematics, no bullshots or retouches...what you see is what you get. If you get a chance to experience Uncharted 1 (if it is your type of game) on an HDTV you will understand & really appreciate it :)
You also might want to do some research on multi-console releases on a 1 by 1 basis since titles like Call of Duty 4, Dead Space, Burnout Paradise & others are actually better on the PS3. Especially now that more and more devs are seeing that it is more effective & economical to start on the PS3 and port over to the 360. You get a much more equal product or sometimes better while ending up improving sales overall for them. Plus you get free multiplayer & a more reliable platform to use it on.
Now that obviously isn't for all titles. As I do agree most multiplatforms have been better on the 360 but that has been changing and it can only get better. I personally prefer being able to use a console that won't break on me (which will be the 4th time when it will happen again) even if the difference in the overall game is "less"; to me that becomes negligible since I have the peace of mind that comes with the reliability & free multiplayer capabilities/aspect.
Metacritic ~ whose parent company CBS/Viacom has a $500 Million dollar deal with MS & how they pick and choose review sites instead of ALL for their data/averages
It really is quite comical. I know it sounds like conspiracy theory stuff but I don't at all mean it to be. It is just stuff that is widely known and somehow gets a "pass" in the media for some reason.
So where do I start? Let's talk about hardware and software in general in my opinions.
Above all, the PS3 was/is a trojan horse for Blu-Ray. Now that trojan horse concept is catching up with them. The R&D and tech put into the PS3 severely handicapped it from the beginning. The development of the system pushed it out the gate a year later than the 360, and the monster lying in the shadows, the Wii, overtook everyone's momentum and continues to sell like it's going out of style. A true successor to the PS2, without the launch day flaws and marketing hysteria of Blu-Ray, bundled with a lower entry cost, may have given Sony the gold medal in this race right away. The PS2 is king, and consumers are typically brand loyal, Sony and PlayStation both being household names. Imagine the PS3 with a competitive chip and DVD media, launching at $300 and selling for $50-100 less now, and you get my drift.
Plenty of things went wrong for Sony. Alot of the hardcore audience got their next gen fix by hopping aboard the Xbox bandwagon a year early. The first Xbox was a nice machine, offering LAN, a HDD, replacing the "Duke" controller and eventually Xbox Live's launch. Over time, the Xbox 1 was a polished gamer's dream, complete with better graphics and built in features that the PS2 didn't offer out of the box (until the slim came and offered the network adapter built in; however it still lacked 4 controller ports.)
Unfortunately softmodding and a "need" to beat Sony to the store shelf in the next gen caused MS to kill Xbox 1 and shove the 360 out the door early: most of us bit on it with familiar features from the first system and upgraded for the HD era of graphics. (Let's be honest; most of the 360 launch titles were underwhelming, but the GFX got us excited. Anyone feel King Kong or PDZ is/was a classic? Or the feature stripped Madden 06.)
Spring of next year, MS has unloaded X amount of 360's and Nintendo still hasn't shown us a controller for the Revolution yet, which is rebadged as the Wii. The Wiimote is unveiled and there is a buzz around it. Sony pushes the PS3 back to November, 2 days before the Wii's launch.
Launcy Day: Blu-Ray was still an unproven "winner" in the upcoming format war with HD-DVD. Bundle those concerns with negative press over everything from upscaling movies/games to the funky syncing of controllers between systems, poor visuals from 360 ports and BWC snafus, the general feeling on the PS3 may have been a "wait and see approach".
Now it really seems like I'm crapping on the PS3, but I still think it has a lot of potential, however, the way it was brought to market and the continuing mess with Sony PR makes it hard to invest in the larger price tag. We were told for the longest time that this is the "Ferrari" of entertainment. Different models of the system showed wild concepts such as 2 HDMI ports (for 2 HDTV side-by-side gaming, which was "the future") and 3 gigabit ethernet ports. Before it even came out, the system had features stripped to cut cost, but still came out with a hefty price tag of $500-$600. The controllers also lacked the "rumble" feature, which was dimissed by Sony suits as "unnecesarry" and "dated", only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand.
The PS3 has started to dig itself out of the software mess, but Sony continues to flip-flop. PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed. What was once the "added value" of the built-in Blu-Ray capabilities (and always an added cost for the console) has turned the PS3 from an "affordable" BD player to an "expensive" BD player at a time where BD players have dropped into the sub-$200 range.
The 360 on the other hand, has conflicted views in the market, looking like the Sega Genesis of this generation, with multiple SKUs and constant hardware changes and add-on periperal devices. The saving grace for MS is it's revenue generated through Xbox Live.
As for the Wii, it appeals to everyone in general, and is something that you can take home, plug in and play, without the worries of load times, hard drives, Blu-Ray, LAN, etc. If you want internet browsing or online play, it's there (though not mature) and it's target market is more interested in just playing the game, which one just happens to be included in the box (added value?)
I think I made enough valid points about each system without going into fanboy territory. I think the fanboy comments such as "it collects dust" is mainly attributed to a lack in software design creativity. Nearly every game in this generation of consoles is a sequel or spinoff of a tried and true concept, ie. a safe bet to generate profits for the devs. Almost every title is a "Part 2" (or 3, or 4; MGS4, GTAIV, COD4, etc.) The hype is over for many anticipated titles: Metal Gear, Mario, Halo, Gears, Zelda, Metroid, Smash Bros., Madden, SOCOM and many more are out the gate, and the majority is stuff we've already seen before, just with a different spin (better graphics, motion controls, etc.)
In order to truly dust off the consoles, the industry needs shaken up. Of course, for fitness fanatics or gamers who scream kill-kill-kill, the gaming business seems to be doing just fine.
There are only 2 things I find difference on Prodigy and 1 that I think is a typo
1) Sony has always offered "more" in their consoles as part of their draw. PS1 CD for Video/Audio & more, PS2 CD/DVD etc, PS3 CD/DVD/BD/HDD/PSP integration plus Digital Download, WiFi etc. there has always been an upgrade or them pushing the bleeding edge of technology to again offer "more"
2) The DS3 issue where Sony said it was unnecessary and dated, only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand is a bit off in 2 ways a) Sony didn't want to pay off a company that was obviously just suing them & b) Sony was later approached by Immersion as they (Immersion) knew they where losing out on profits because of the omitance of rumble in the SixAxis.
3) This one I think is just a typo where you said
Quote:PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed.
This crap about gamin sites being bias to the 360 is so childish. Think they may be catering to a MAJORITY of its readers and most of them own the 360. The wii is not a console with a hardcore rep so its assumed their fans arent on gaming sites reading articles an dposting away. Tell sony to get there sales up and they'd get some more love til then quit the whining.
Originally posted by Oner: There are only 2 things I find difference on Prodigy and 1 that I think is a typo
1) Sony has always offered "more" in their consoles as part of their draw. PS1 CD for Video/Audio & more, PS2 CD/DVD etc, PS3 CD/DVD/BD/HDD/PSP integration plus Digital Download, WiFi etc. there has always been an upgrade or them pushing the bleeding edge of technology to again offer "more"
2) The DS3 issue where Sony said it was unnecessary and dated, only to have the DualShock 3 come over a year later, due to popular demand is a bit off in 2 ways a) Sony didn't want to pay off a company that was obviously just suing them & b) Sony was later approached by Immersion as they (Immersion) knew they where losing out on profits because of the omitance of rumble in the SixAxis.
3) This one I think is just a typo where you said
Quote:PS Home is the latest of promised tech that continues to be delayed.
but Home is out and available now.
I can budge on those comments.
Home is available, but still in Beta form, after being oft-delayed.
Yes, I was aware of the Immersion suit and royalty issue, and probably should've mentioned that, though Sony PR still blew it off as "old/unwanted" tech.
Sure, Sony has always offered "more" on their consoles, but I'm not sure that Blu-Ray had to fit into these plans. At the height of DVD's adoption phase, the PS2 was a second or thirdDVD player in the home, and not the primary player, as is the case with Blu-Ray. Also the competition with HD-DVD gave everyone a bad taste with the PS3 being an overpriced "trojan horse" IMHO.
With that said, if a PS4 were in the works, how does Sony "better" itself, with Blu-Ray being the defacto standard in the PS3 at the moment?
all sony has to do to make this console kill everything is open firmware up to 3rd party developers ... update the console to stream and decode everything known to man (like the popcorn hour a110), and release a legit branded infared remote receiver ... maybe add wireless n too as well as add the ability to make it a media server for other wireless devices on the network.... a networked bluray drive would be a benefit for free.... which i could go on and on to the benefits of minor tweaks to add much more value.
if they did all of this ...they would dominate not only the gaming market, but also be king of media tanks as well.
Oh ..maybe that was the idea behind the linux ...but it sucks ... make it easy to use ..right from the get go out of the box ... click ... and presto ...
im not a fan of the iphone, but i would bet more than half the total sales of iphones are to carriers that dont support it officially... ironically ... apply officially doesnt support jailbroken iphones ... and is dead against it, but behind the scenes you can bet Steve Jobs salary bonus is positively effected by the 3rd party world ... you think he doesnt know that? Iphones cost more than the ps3 and have sold many many more units.. open your eyes sony ... duh
Sony needs to step up ... get with the times ... and swallow its pride with all the drm crap ... and gee when you actually give consumers what they want ... instead of trying to tell us what we want ... you might actually make some cash.
I don't have BlueRay and really not interested for now cuz i like the lower prices of movies of regular DVDs.I'm buying Dvds as low as $4.00 for older movies and $6.00 for newer ., uncoming release for $19.00( and if you wait a month you get the movie for aprox.$7.00), at Columbia house so who needs BlueRay.
Originally posted by Globe08: This crap about gamin sites being bias to the 360 is so childish. Think they may be catering to a MAJORITY of its readers and most of them own the 360. The wii is not a console with a hardcore rep so its assumed their fans arent on gaming sites reading articles an dposting away. Tell sony to get there sales up and they'd get some more love til then quit the whining.
That's just plain stupid. BS even. If a game is crap then it's crap. You don't give it a better rating because more people buy it. All about sales... MGS4, Halo 3 and GTA4 have all received 10s from Gamespot and high scores from other sites. Which one actually deserves a 10?
"Sure this is the sh*ttiest game ever made but because so many people bought it we're gonna slap a 10 on it :)"
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Originally posted by SProdigy: Sure, Sony has always offered "more" on their consoles, but I'm not sure that Blu-Ray had to fit into these plans. At the height of DVD's adoption phase, the PS2 was a second or thirdDVD player in the home, and not the primary player, as is the case with Blu-Ray. Also the competition with HD-DVD gave everyone a bad taste with the PS3 being an overpriced "trojan horse" IMHO.
With that said, if a PS4 were in the works, how does Sony "better" itself, with Blu-Ray being the defacto standard in the PS3 at the moment?
MGS4 on a DVD?
Blu-Ray might not have been too necessary NOW surely it adds onto the lifespan of the system. Blu-Ray is just extra space for expansion. There isn't a limit for content or detail. 360 is already maxed out and with limited or no HDD space on a majority of their sold consoles they can't really do much about it... The upcoming game Rage is supposed to look noticeably better on the PS3 because on the 360 they are splitting it onto 2 DVDs and that still isn't enough room. Microsoft is charging the devs too much for a third disc apparently. That's just one random game but that kind of situation is bound to become more common.
A 360 is more of a static console where as the PS3 is more dynamic, if you know what that means.
Why do people always look at Blu-Ray as a movie player instead of a big disc with tons of room?
That's just plain stupid. BS even. If a game is crap then it's crap. You don't give it a better rating because more people buy it. All about sales... MGS4, Halo 3 and GTA4 have all received 10s from Gamespot and high scores from other sites. Which one actually deserves a 10?
"Sure this is the sh*ttiest game ever made but because so many people bought it we're gonna slap a 10 on it :)"
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I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on??? I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap. All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...
The 360 is "peaking" supposedly at is 3-4year mark here i still dont think its just finished yet. The average console lifespan is 5-7 years roughly although the ps2 is still kicking but its not on peoples minds. So if thats true and The 360 peaks at the end of november of 09 then they can coast the final 2-3 years like most consoles with very limited breakthroughs technologically and when the ps3 is in its POTENTIAL amazing form we all hear about MS will be ready to pop out another console blowing away what sony concocted 6 years prior. The tech in the ps3 will be deemed old obviously and SOny thus is forced to make another console.People dont care about how much money each company is making they care about the braggin rights that come with owning the most desireable gaming machine to the majority of their peers hence people dogg the wii.
The ps3 in many ways have already unleashed some of its biggest punches with few to follow. They've put out some of their killer exclusives MGS,Uncharted which i envy ps3 owners for haiving(no sarcasm looks like game i would love), Home is out and people could seem to care less, blu-ray has been unleashed on the world. They have GOW3 and killzone to be released next year and I absolutley love the GOW series so yeat again that is something i envy ps3 owners for having but people are nuts for thinking the leaps in tech the ps3 will showcase will be something that will blow you away.
Maybe I'm showing my age here, but it seems to me that PS3 is becoming the Atari Jaguar of our time. Too advanced for its own good with only a few titles available.
I also agree with the people who said that using the PS3 to win the format war has backfired. I myself thought about getting a PS3 as my Blu-Ray player, but I'm not a gamer. It would subconsciously nag me that I have this great piece of hardware, and I'm not using it to its full potential. Now player prices are coming down and the PS3, although a great bang for the buck, its not the cheapest player out there. Now there are options for those who don't want a gaming machine.
Originally posted by Globe08: I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on???
Incorrect. Call of Duty 4 & GTA4 is equal/better on the PS3 (less pop in, quicker load times, same gameplay) as well others. The only ones that are just slightly less equal on the PS3 are Madden & COD 5 and again as well some others. And for the titles that are "better" it is not by a vastly huge "ass wiped" that people make it out to be. Again reliability and free online play make up any difference there might be so your point is actually moot.
Originally posted by Globe08: I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap.
I don't see anyone whining here. Just people including me giving PROPER VALID links and proof of what is going on in the media and giving the additional information that is conveniently omitted of which you say doesn't matter (do I REALLY need to post links to support the TRUTH of the 100% known issues with GameTrailers, Kotaku & others?). No one ever said NPD is wrong, but you can't just go by NPD. That is the issue. It seems you are taking or making this personal by flinging insults at people here because you aren't willing to see the information for which it clears up and explains to give the FULL overview and not just picked and chosen to fit 1 specific point. I would also take heed in not insulting anyone else (even if indirectly) from this point forward and just discuss your point without the diggs you have made in the last 2 or 3 posts. If you have something to say just say it. It can be done without the dramatics.
Originally posted by Globe08: All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...
You say it isn't succeeding but yet the PS3 had outsold the 360 in terms of relative time to what was sold. It is 100% fact the PS3 sold at a FASTER rate and sold MORE than the 360 in the same time it took MS to sell 17 Million. THAT IS FACT and not "cooked numbers" that you like to say. Just because YOU don't want to beleive it and can't realize that does not make it so. And yes the PS3 did this all while being more expensive.
Am I saying something that is not true? Nope. You cannot refute that nor downplay any of those FACTS. So again how is the PS3 under performing when it has year over year shown an increase over the previous year? Isn't that what is true? Isn't that what matters in business? That there is always GROWTH and not this "doom & gloom" of which the mass media likes to glamorize and sensationalize? How is 60% more sold in 2008 over 2007 in anyway shape or form bad. If anyone can (or would even try to) explain that I would be amazed.
In all honesty I don't get how people defend MS so vehemently? I myself have never said nor would agree that their games are bad. Their ability to offer great and fun games in conjunction with LIVE! is extremely on point. Nor do I beleive that the PS3 is going to have the most sales vs the 360 THIS YEAR. I have ONLY really taken issue with their absolutely horrible, problem riddled hardware with the 360 and wonder why/how they get a pass in all of this! My guess is everybody looks at it as of expectance from their past history with originally ripping off Windows, their piss poor OS'es over the years (95, ME, Vista) and even the first Xbox having issues with RROD.
But enough of that, the fact is if anyone is going to have a discussion then don't they need ALL of the information and not just bits and pieces or parts of a whole? Seriously, for a company to have sold over 300 Million consoles (PS1, PS2 & PSP) to be lambasted so 1 sidedly is just a false representation of their standings. Especially since their latest product has only been out for 2 years. How is it that you never hear or rarely hear the fact that the PS2's sales are in essence offsetting any "losses" of which are being endured with the PS3? Does that mean anything to people? I guess not. All they want to do is read the headlines and come to an instant decision without having to bother with the rest...
Edit: Here is a GAMING site that supports what I have said about the media and Sony/PS3. Mind you that is coming from someone who themselves have been pretty vocal about Sony's mis-steps. He also talks about TIME Magazine (which I forgot to add) and how they too provide false journalism information.
Originally posted by IguanaC64: I own 3 Playstation 2's. Never owned an Xbox of any type. Haven't owned a Nintendo system since the SNES. I'll be buying a Wii. Three factors:
1) I have kids and I'd rather see them up and moving around playing video games rather than slumped over on the couch
2) Price
3) I like to run emulators and homebrew stuff...PS3 is too locked down
Excellent choice and not a bad one for your family. But as for emulators and homebrew on the PS3, you can have that in the Linux side of it here are just a few
MAME
Gameboy
Gameboy Advance
NES
SNES
Sega Gamegear
Sega Master System
Sega Genesis
Turbo Graffix 16
NeoGeo
Ultimate Doom PC
And all of that does NOT violate a warranty. I already have YDL 6 on my PS3 but haven't really added any Emu's yet since I am waiting for YDL 6.1 to be available as has the introduction of ps3vram functionality which enables use of PS3 video RAM for temporary storage/swap.
I knew about YDL on PS3, but that stuff is really cool. If the console drops in price a bit more, and Blu-Ray releases are in the $15-20 range of current DVDs, I'll probably bite and get one. The AVCHD playback and network capabilities, all with a remote, are killer features for me. (It sure beats a keyboard and mouse running from my laptop; plus it would also beat my 3.5 headphone out to a Y-stereo cable with audio concerned.)
As for the 360 having limitations, I think MS obviously addressed this with the new NXE install to HDD feature, though I'm still not sure if all of that disk space is a necessity or lazy devs. Afterall, there is only ONE Wii game on a DVD-DL and the rest are single layer, still offerings tons of levels, sound, easter eggs, etc. Plus UMD and DS cards, WiiWare, PSN and Xbox Marketplace games all show what can be done with 25mb to 256mb of storage, a far cry from DVD media.
With all that said, sure Blu-Ray enhances a game like Metal Gear. Could the content have been compressed? Who knows? And still, some of the games need a partial installation with Blu media because of the seek times, so it's far from ideal. (Besides, we are talking about Metal Gear, which has always had more content than what could fit on a disc!)
Originally posted by Globe08: I wasnt saying the games on 360 deserve a better rating because they sell more and please dont play stupid while spouting intellegence in other areas of you post. Its been damn near proven games that release multiplat are better on the 360 due to ease for devs and difficulty for the ps3. If they arent any better than you tell me why the ps3 version gets its ass wiped with and the 360 is king of the town i.e madden, call of duty SERIES,Gta and so on???
Incorrect. Call of Duty 4 & GTA4 is equal/better on the PS3 (less pop in, quicker load times, same gameplay) as well others. The only ones that are just slightly less equal on the PS3 are Madden & COD 5 and again as well some others. And for the titles that are "better" it is not by a vastly huge "ass wiped" that people make it out to be. Again reliability and free online play make up any difference there might be so your point is actually moot.
Originally posted by Globe08: I was refering to people whining when an article is posted about sony doing poorly all their loyal fans come a crying that the tabloids have it out for them. Thats what i was talking about in refernce to people saying sites prefer MS over Sony so try not to infer what i meant without asking. Last gen when sony had hella hardware issues you didnt see all this publicity not even 1/10th of it so please let us not pity Sony and their arrogant selves. I dont pity MS when crap goes wrong for them. They all are insanely rich and dont need us wimpering and whining for them like tragic heroes.I just dont understand why the sony fans/consumers are defending their mistakes. Does the ps3 have great games?Yes, Graphics? Yes, blu-ray? yes, dead last in the console race? YES. Their fans have this subserveant attitude of not accepting their product not being in first and they start making excuses. Cooked numbers,dumb consumers,needs more time to meet potential,price, and the list goes on. NDP doesnt have it out for sony they report the info and that info states they arent doing as well as they predicted.BOO HOO you like it play it and enjoy im not stressing. This insanity of the debate over this site isnt that and this site isnt this and cnn doesnt know crap.
I don't see anyone whining here. Just people including me giving PROPER VALID links and proof of what is going on in the media and giving the additional information that is conveniently omitted of which you say doesn't matter (do I REALLY need to post links to support the TRUTH of the 100% known issues with GameTrailers, Kotaku & others?). No one ever said NPD is wrong, but you can't just go by NPD. That is the issue. It seems you are taking or making this personal by flinging insults at people here because you aren't willing to see the information for which it clears up and explains to give the FULL overview and not just picked and chosen to fit 1 specific point. I would also take heed in not insulting anyone else (even if indirectly) from this point forward and just discuss your point without the diggs you have made in the last 2 or 3 posts. If you have something to say just say it. It can be done without the dramatics.
Originally posted by Globe08: All that only holds true til they praise sony or the ps3. The ps3 is a great gaming machine its just not succeeding. Its too pricey for what people want.People keep saying how much of a deal it is and if you had to take the 360 and go feature for feature the 360 would cost more. thats apples to oranges. It doesnt matter how good of a deal sony may be offering its not good enough. Example to compare to the price analogy for the ps3. Theres a great amazing deal on a trip to cancun you can go to all the bars you want and drink free, you can have all these perks, free food to some of the local resturaunts, so on and so on for 2000 bucks(random number) or you can get this other package trip to cancun for 1300 where by you get free food to some local resturaunts(less than the more expensive package), free booz at only 8 bars in cancun and a little less perks. The first deal is great and has more value but its perks too some are exraneous and it costs MORE. Who cares if its a good deal and the company is losing money to provide them to you if its too much its too much. Bad analogy but the points there. The ps3 is the collectors edition of gaming. Not worth the extra cash for the extra things you get... its the art book i could do without...
You say it isn't succeeding but yet the PS3 had outsold the 360 in terms of relative time to what was sold. It is 100% fact the PS3 sold at a FASTER rate and sold MORE than the 360 in the same time it took MS to sell 17 Million. THAT IS FACT and not "cooked numbers" that you like to say. Just because YOU don't want to beleive it and can't realize that does not make it so. And yes the PS3 did this all while being more expensive.
Am I saying something that is not true? Nope. You cannot refute that nor downplay any of those FACTS. So again how is the PS3 under performing when it has year over year shown an increase over the previous year? Isn't that what is true? Isn't that what matters in business? That there is always GROWTH and not this "doom & gloom" of which the mass media likes to glamorize and sensationalize? How is 60% more sold in 2008 over 2007 in anyway shape or form bad. If anyone can (or would even try to) explain that I would be amazed.
In all honesty I don't get how people defend MS so vehemently? I myself have never said nor would agree that their games are bad. Their ability to offer great and fun games in conjunction with LIVE! is extremely on point. Nor do I beleive that the PS3 is going to have the most sales vs the 360 THIS YEAR. I have ONLY really taken issue with their absolutely horrible, problem riddled hardware with the 360 and wonder why/how they get a pass in all of this! My guess is everybody looks at it as of expectance from their past history with originally ripping off Windows, their piss poor OS'es over the years (95, ME, Vista) and even the first Xbox having issues with RROD.
But enough of that, the fact is if anyone is going to have a discussion then don't they need ALL of the information and not just bits and pieces or parts of a whole? Seriously, for a company to have sold over 300 Million consoles (PS1, PS2 & PSP) to be lambasted so 1 sidedly is just a false representation of their standings. Especially since their latest product has only been out for 2 years. How is it that you never hear or rarely hear the fact that the PS2's sales are in essence offsetting any "losses" of which are being endured with the PS3? Does that mean anything to people? I guess not. All they want to do is read the headlines and come to an instant decision without having to bother with the rest...
Edit: Here is a GAMING site that supports what I have said about the media and Sony/PS3. Mind you that is coming from someone who themselves have been pretty vocal about Sony's mis-steps. He also talks about TIME Magazine (which I forgot to add) and how they too provide false journalism information.
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i dont agree with hardly anything you said but i can see your point as to my insults but i would like to see it noted i responded in kind to my post being called stupid which should fall in line with the insult catergory so that should be met across the board. I dont see where what all this banter back at the cnn reports isnt seen as whining. 90% of all post were responded in a positve manner towards the cnn artcle. Most of all you posts at least from what ive seen have a pro ps3 slant. Im not knocking nor insulting you just stating it. To me what you and most posters have done is the equivalent of me going into an article where they are talking about how MS knew of the faulty discs drives and providing all this irrelvant information putting the 360 in a good light while it is my right as a poster it shows a lack of direction and clear favoritism. Fact is ps3 is in dead last and theres no need for anyone to try and spin things to how close it is or how great its potential might be. ISnt MS getting hammered on every site about knowing about the rrod,the faulty disc drives and so on? Its the media and its fair game their are always going to be favorites out there and thats just how it is. Sony had its pass with the ps2 and its hardware issues is all im saying.
As far as the ps2 sales offsetting some losses i answered that in another post and the answer is yes people dont care about the money side of it all. they like i said care about having the most desirebale console amongst their peers. WHy should we care about their pockets? rich or poor they(nintendo,ps3,MS) still let us down with desgin flaws,delays and so forth. its moot to argue the money side of it all with 90% of the people so post in gaming forums. AS long as the companies are in business and not in danger of going out of business its not that important to most. Who cares if Sony or MS is maiking slightly more money but doesnt have as good as product as the other. These are all just my views and i see myself as an educated layman. i dont intend to offend anybody i just beleive a little bit of debate and spice shake things up. I ionly thought the average poster could take a few diggs if they dish them out. I wasnt trying to get out of hand and dont think i did so. I didnt go out with malice and try to break down the psyche of some 8 year kid i read the content of the post and try and make educated judgements based off that.edn my ramble...
How in gods name is the 360 getting a pass in the media they are getting slammed every other day for something they did pertaining to their neglegence of their faulty hardware? I think MS should be getting slammed as they are,just go to generic sites such as gamepro.com or teamxbox and they are ripping them there. I dont see the need to post sites on trivial things like that the people on here should be up to date on the info its not a posters job to educate others. Providing links is something to do when one is being questioned or has vauge information or you want to show people stuff.
i dont agree with hardly anything you said but i can see your point as to my insults but i would like to see it noted i responded in kind to my post being called stupid which should fall in line with the insult catergory so that should be met across the board.
If there are any problems within posts or threads at anytime please feel free to report it or PM me/any other moderator so we can assist. But rest assured that what I said goes towards anyone & everyone.
Originally posted by Globe08: I dont see where what all this banter back at the cnn reports isnt seen as whining. 90% of all post were responded in a positve manner towards the cnn artcle. Most of all you posts at least from what ive seen have a pro ps3 slant. Im not knocking nor insulting you just stating it.
I cannot see why you would label it as whining. Honestly what does CNN & Time have to do with gaming? Especially when they have 100% wrong information or omit items that don't give the full account (that just proves my point)? As for my preference towards the PS3. Yes I do have one. Because it works when I want it to, amongst any number of other things that the Playstation brand does in stark contrast to it's competition does plus more for free. And they arguably have the much better exclusives. Now with that said I will reiterate that I ONLY take issue with the 360's poor hardware. And that's it. I might not like certain games on the 360 but ALWAYS give credit where credit is due.
Originally posted by Globe08: Fact is ps3 is in dead last and theres no need for anyone to try and spin things to how close it is or how great its potential might be.
And I would agree for the most part in that yes they are dead last. But you fail to mention certain key facts which cannot be denied. The 360 was released 1 year ahead and 1.5 years in the EU & they have ALWAYS had a less expensive console in market. If you track/look at the numbers in comparison for when they where launched respectively you cannot deny that the PS3 did better (first 2 years vs each other). That is no small feat under those circumstances but people like you and MANY others continually downplay that of fail to acknowledge those facts.
Originally posted by Globe08:Sony had its pass with the ps2 and its hardware issues is all im saying.
That is only partially true. You cannot compare the percentages and totals for them respectively.
So yes Sony deserved any and all "heat" they got but the comparison is seriously weak in that MS is getting away with something MUCH larger.
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tisk tisk how could you be so inconsiderate of my intellegence? You took the liftime amount of ps2 consoles sold over a almost 9 year period and compared it to the 3 year lifespan of the 360. That is a chidlish comparison and truly weak stuff. The ps2 corrected its ISSUE after a class action lawsuit, it would be a better representation to state the amount of affected consoles during the early stages of the ps2 when the problem was at its peak not after its all said and done and fixed 6 years later. Its like lets be real here. When the 360 is finally rid of the rrod and 5 years from now they sold lets say 85 million consoles or what have you could be less could be more... probably less. The amount affected will be hugely diminshed and thus be a better picture of things. i know the numbers probably arent available for the ps2 numbers during the disc read error but the point is you know better to mislead like that. And yes we dont know for certain the rrod will be fixed and what MS will end up selling but the point is that comparison was WAY OFF.
Yes you prefaced your statement but thats like a jury being told to disregard gruesome facts in a murder case...the seeds already planted
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And I would agree for the most part in that yes they are dead last. But you fail to mention certain key facts which cannot be denied. The 360 was released 1 year ahead and 1.5 years in the EU & they have ALWAYS had a less expensive console in market. If you track/look at the numbers in comparison for when they where launched respectively you cannot deny that the PS3 did better (first 2 years vs each other). That is no small feat under those circumstances but people like you and MANY others continually downplay that of fail to acknowledge those facts.
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I will acknowledge the ps3's feat when people come to terms that the ps3 starts with a huge advantage. They have the most loyal fans in the consumer market, they have the advantage of an installed fan base from the ps1, they have the japanese market in their favor in general, and lastly all said they set their release date nobody else did, they intended on being ahead of the 360 and as you put it they are trailing a console with the biggest hardware failure in gaming history!Their internet is FREE MS' is not,their system as you and others have said its a better deal,they have superior technology and is vastly more versatile.All said why should people congratulate Sony for failing in what they set out to do with all those advantages? the only disadvantage they had they had complete control over and that the release date. they set production and manufacturing dates and so forth. Thats like me asking you to not downplay MS' despite the rrod, the rrod was nobodys fault but MS' so i would not expect one to see what they've done as a feat but a mistep in a market they could have crushed Sony in and they blew the opportunity.
