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Valve speaks out about piracy
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article published on 19 January, 2009
At an interview at the Game Business Law summit this past week, Valve director of business development and legal affairs Jason Holtman spoke out about the company's thoughts on piracy, surprisingly calling pirates "underserved customers."
"There's a big business feeling that there's piracy, pirates are underserved customers."
"When you think about it that way, you think, 'Oh my gosh, ... [ read the full article ]
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19. January 2009 @ 17:54 |
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It appears some common sense has hit some people in the game industry!
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mediabob
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19. January 2009 @ 18:25 |
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It appears some common sense has hit some people in the game industry!
how true! the gaming industry is actually trying to be proactive and that is at least a step in the right direction. next issue drm?
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19. January 2009 @ 18:53 |
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and let's not forget about the cost of the game. I'm not interested in paying over $50 for a 10hour game. Keep the cost down so I don't feel so ripped off if the game is not to my entire liking. Then I can at least reason out the lost of my money.
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19. January 2009 @ 19:13 |
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Maybe they will finally start to realice real working ways of reducing piracy. Two simple ways, dump the ridiculous drm crap that causes much more problems that it solves, that would save them money at the same time so they could sell the games a little bit cheaper. And release the games everywhere at the same time, if for an example americans get some game months or weeks before europeans then the europeans who really want the game will pirate it.
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19. January 2009 @ 19:47 |
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Originally posted by badkrma:
and let's not forget about the cost of the game. I'm not interested in paying over $50 for a 10hour game. Keep the cost down so I don't feel so ripped off if the game is not to my entire liking. Then I can at least reason out the lost of my money.
$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
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19. January 2009 @ 20:03 |
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Originally posted by djgizmo:
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
An intriging thought, Just how would one download a pair of Air Nike's ?
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19. January 2009 @ 21:04 |
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$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel the_______________________________________________________________
$50.00 is way to much for a game many would not pirate if the game cost what it was worth which is 19.99
And ps if ppl do not like the price of anything their is an alternitive. if i dont want to spend 150.00 on nike air then i will go to the flea market and buy the bootleg ones for 40.00 companies will never learn
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19. January 2009 @ 21:25 |
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Originally posted by badkrma:
and let's not forget about the cost of the game. I'm not interested in paying over $50 for a 10hour game. Keep the cost down so I don't feel so ripped off if the game is not to my entire liking. Then I can at least reason out the lost of my money.
$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
$50.00 is way to much for a game many would not pirate if the game cost what it was worth which is 19.99
And ps if ppl do not like the price of anything their is an alternitive. if i dont want to spend 150.00 on nike air then i will go to the flea market and buy the bootleg ones for 40.00 companies will never learn
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19. January 2009 @ 21:40 |
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so what about the idiots who pirate games in the "west"?
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19. January 2009 @ 23:21 |
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Originally posted by spamual:
so what about the idiots who pirate games in the "west"?
They don't want to pay $50 either.
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19. January 2009 @ 23:27 |
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This is why ninjas > pirates.
The only one that goes after ninjas is Chuck Norris.
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20. January 2009 @ 00:27 |
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Like Russia (which so sad) Australians have to wait six months to a year, sometimes longer, just to get the games that people in the states do. And then we have to pay twice, or more, as much as that (and thats after currency exchange) its just ridiculous, they charge more just because they can, and then wonder why people turn to piracy.
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20. January 2009 @ 00:41 |
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$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
Your analogy is flawed. We can duplicate digital information, we cannot yet duplicate physical matter. Knock offs are the only closest form of this...but it still isn't an equal comparison. Physically stealing something can mean loss of profit for the seller (as there is no goods to sell anymore). The only equal comparison we have is if a Star-Trek like replicator existed. In that case a person could scan the shoe, go home and replicate one just like it (and the seller would still have the original shoes to sell). Any other comparison falls short. Also boycotting a company by not buying their products doesn't do very much if the person not buying usually never buys.
The only form of effective protest in a capitalistic system is by..... guess what? YUP Forced loss of capital. And Capital = Money.
Keep in mind: During the American Revolution, the Colonies Pirated intellectual property en masse from Europe (Pirated books, stolen locamotive plans, steam engines plans, railroad designs, writing technology, weapons, etc, etc.) By not buying the rights to any of Europe's Ideas...they were effectively able to excecute a monetary form of Protest.
So anyone who says Pirating is stealing, it only right in a semi quazi type of way. If the Pirater has a cause, or has an objective, or is protesting in any way...then their explanation is validated through the examples of recent history. To protest by abiding within the rules of Capitalism... or the powers that be (RIAA, MPAA) then your protest will never be felt, or heard, or get any attention in a meaningfull way.
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20. January 2009 @ 01:36 |
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id say the law says it. its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions. snotty 14 years olds who are cooped in their room, who cant affored money for games....
oops was that a generalisation?!
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20. January 2009 @ 04:07 |
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id say the law says it. its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions. snotty 14 years olds who are cooped in their room, who cant affored money for games....
oops was that a generalisation?!
I and masses of others see nothing funny about it. What I just proposed is a logical, justifiable, rationalization....even in professional circles this is expected, & even demanded to make a valid argument. Your reply consisted of 2 sentences. Your first, attempted to prove your point by "DEFAULT". Quote:
I'd say the law says it.
Yes we know the law says this. Laws (in our view) twisted by lobby interests, corporate bullying, and paid off officials. Yet you go on as though the "law" is an infallable authority in and of itself. Keep in mind the import and stamp tax on the colonies was "LAW". Jews not allowed to operate buisneses during Nazi rule was "LAW". Blacks in usa were property by "LAW". So your "default law" argument held no weight in the past, and still does not today. (in and of itself).
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its funy to see pirates justifying thier actions.
By your next statement, you not only attempt to speak with indifference and disregard, but dismiss any pirate who adopts ideals seperate from your "Default law ideology".
To finish your statment you end with:[quote]snotty 14 years olds who are cooped in their room, who cant affored money for games....
oops was that a generalisation?!
Your last utterance here is a cheap,lazy,uninformed,indolent,and insolent way to deal with a well thought out opinion. You Shame your audiance with diminuation, and lower your antagonists to a level below you in a fashion that serves to help you feel superior.
Please construct well thought out points with solid concepts. Otherwise your words are just ramblings of a self rightous, social evangelist.
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20. January 2009 @ 04:16 |
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You people are talking about 50 bucks. I'd love to pay that price for a game. Here in Finland, the prices of the games can be as high as 70? or 91$. That's way too much for a game that I'd spent like 10 hours on.
But I don't think, that any change will come, if pirates continue to brake the law. Yes, I know that it does not work, but still, its a criminal offence to download and upload movies, games ect.
What should happen, is that both pirates and MPAA, RIAA, BSA, and all other trade groupes should get togethe, and think about other possibilities. But for sure, they should stop spending millions and millions of dollars to the "pirate-hunt".
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20. January 2009 @ 05:10 |
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Originally posted by Neodemon:
Like Russia (which so sad) Australians have to wait six months to a year, sometimes longer, just to get the games that people in the states do. And then we have to pay twice, or more, as much as that (and thats after currency exchange) its just ridiculous, they charge more just because they can, and then wonder why people turn to piracy.
Yeah for example:
PS3 Games
Metal Gear Solid 4: Guns of the Patriots can be between $110 or $120 brand new. Or $100 for new ps3 games
Or new Xbox 360 games are about $100 each. Not sure on Wii games though. Perhaps a little bit cheaper.
Or another example is when the PS3 first came out it was $1000. Now it's down to $699 I think.
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20. January 2009 @ 10:39 |
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As far as game piracy in the US goes... You have little reason not to buy your games. $50 might be a bit much, but it's not like you can't wait for the price to drop... In 6 months from their release, most games will go from $50 to $30, just wait it out if you can't afford it initially.
And, in the case of Steam, most games don't even cost that much. Steam has no DRM, either. No reason not to buy from them if you can.
Personally, I support piracy in the sense that the people finding exploits in consoles and protection in PC games allow me to always have a spare copy of the games I buy, and to let me see if I like a game before wasting money on a game I don't like...
I don't like that most people who download games have no intention of buying them. "Protest" or not... You'd think, with all the money you're saving by downloading games for free, you'd eventually save enough to buy a copy of a couple games, at least.
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20. January 2009 @ 11:23 |
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Originally posted by nintenut:
As far as game piracy in the US goes... You have little reason not to buy your games. $50 might be a bit much, but it's not like you can't wait for the price to drop... In 6 months from their release, most games will go from $50 to $30, just wait it out if you can't afford it initially.
And, in the case of Steam, most games don't even cost that much. Steam has no DRM, either. No reason not to buy from them if you can.
Personally, I support piracy in the sense that the people finding exploits in consoles and protection in PC games allow me to always have a spare copy of the games I buy, and to let me see if I like a game before wasting money on a game I don't like...
I don't like that most people who download games have no intention of buying them. "Protest" or not... You'd think, with all the money you're saving by downloading games for free, you'd eventually save enough to buy a copy of a couple games, at least.
Agree... piracy as a "protest" is downright laughable and intellectually dishonest.
Piracy is intended to gain possession without paying (stealing) plain and simple. Let's just be honest about it. And if you're going to be a pirate to backup using exploits, let's be honest about that too. I have zero problem with folks choosing to be a pirate (what you do in your own home is your business) but just that those who choose to should be honest about what they're doing, rather than paint themselves as some sort of "hero" (LOL).
Re: prices, the market sets the price. A $50 price is set where it is because that's what people are willing to pay for it. Some folks are in denial about that, but it's the simple truth.
There are obviously a lot of folks here who have no clue about capitalism, market economics, and any other topic raised again and again on the board. Just childish anti-capitalist, anti-profit banter that ultimately dissipate into silent cries in the vacuum of a message board. In the real world, however, there's a much different picture than what's many times painted by some here.
There are plenty of ways to access games if you're dirt poor and can't afford them. Prices drop after a few months on the market. There are many compaines who specialize in pre-owned games, and others that rent games. Prices are exactly where they should be, unless your government has been involved and falsely inflated those prices. If there's anyone to "blame" in those cases - blame your government for tainting the market, not the makers of those games.
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20. January 2009 @ 19:20 |
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Originally posted by nintenut:
As far as game piracy in the US goes... You have little reason not to buy your games. $50 might be a bit much, but it's not like you can't wait for the price to drop... In 6 months from their release, most games will go from $50 to $30, just wait it out if you can't afford it initially.
And, in the case of Steam, most games don't even cost that much. Steam has no DRM, either. No reason not to buy from them if you can.
Personally, I support piracy in the sense that the people finding exploits in consoles and protection in PC games allow me to always have a spare copy of the games I buy, and to let me see if I like a game before wasting money on a game I don't like...
I don't like that most people who download games have no intention of buying them. "Protest" or not... You'd think, with all the money you're saving by downloading games for free, you'd eventually save enough to buy a copy of a couple games, at least.
Agree... piracy as a "protest" is downright laughable and intellectually dishonest.
Piracy is intended to gain possession without paying (stealing) plain and simple. Let's just be honest about it. And if you're going to be a pirate to backup using exploits, let's be honest about that too. I have zero problem with folks choosing to be a pirate (what you do in your own home is your business) but just that those who choose to should be honest about what they're doing, rather than paint themselves as some sort of "hero" (LOL).
Re: prices, the market sets the price. A $50 price is set where it is because that's what people are willing to pay for it. Some folks are in denial about that, but it's the simple truth.
There are obviously a lot of folks here who have no clue about capitalism, market economics, and any other topic raised again and again on the board. Just childish anti-capitalist, anti-profit banter that ultimately dissipate into silent cries in the vacuum of a message board. In the real world, however, there's a much different picture than what's many times painted by some here.
There are plenty of ways to access games if you're dirt poor and can't afford them. Prices drop after a few months on the market. There are many compaines who specialize in pre-owned games, and others that rent games. Prices are exactly where they should be, unless your government has been involved and falsely inflated those prices. If there's anyone to "blame" in those cases - blame your government for tainting the market, not the makers of those games.
Maybe I am crazy but if ppl pirate a game or a cd they where not going to buy it anyway so the riaa mpaa need to just drop it... why dont they go after blockbuster or rental stores that rent games. Now that i can rent all the games i want, keep them as long as i want for $15 - $20 per month why would i ever buy a game ever... so i can keep it in a box for years... the answer is i will only buy a movie, game or cd if its worth it to me. I purchaced all the halo games even when i had a modded xbox 1. i love making money and it does not come easy so why do game companies think they can have it easy... ie making stupid garbage games that they even are not proud of... do they think they force ppl to buy somthing. most ppl i know dont even know how to copy a dvd and are not interested in doing so. the mpaa and riaa need to drop it because if it's good enough to download then it's not good enough to buy. ps most movies and games are not even worth a down load what makes them think it's worth 50.00 and things should get cheaper cds still cost $15 lol games still cost $50 lol. cd's sould cost $5 games $20 movies $7.... lol lol will they never learn bluray is $35 i will never buy
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20. January 2009 @ 19:58 |
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They think that they can get away with selling media at the prices they do because they can, they have for years...
No, wait, you're right, they've never made a profit on selling movies in hi-definition for anything more than the price of a pack of baseball cards and bubblegum, when will they learn? 9_9
That's not how it works, you are in a very small minority.
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Edit: Accidental double-post, sorry.
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sure man we people of America have it made, if i get lucky i might get to keep My House(with utility's) and My Car, and some 15 dollars left over for food.
Get real man, honest hardworking people don't make shit. now lying, stealing, killing people,drug trafficking thats where the monies is.
wait 6 months for game to come down in price, your funny try 2-3 years.
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21. January 2009 @ 03:47 |
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and let's not forget about the cost of the game. I'm not interested in paying over $50 for a 10hour game. Keep the cost down so I don't feel so ripped off if the game is not to my entire liking. Then I can at least reason out the lost of my money.
$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
The difference is that you can try on the Nikes in store. Look at the design, be sure it's what you want. Many games now-a-days are sub-par, but still retail at extortionate prices. You can't even rely on review sites any more, as even the supposed un-biased sites are now "sponsored" by this companies.
Also, like dvd release, regions has a negative affect on the market, but big corporations like to milk every last ounce out of people.
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21. January 2009 @ 03:48 |
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and let's not forget about the cost of the game. I'm not interested in paying over $50 for a 10hour game. Keep the cost down so I don't feel so ripped off if the game is not to my entire liking. Then I can at least reason out the lost of my money.
$50 is the going rate. If you decide to steeling that game because you don't think it's worth that, it's still called steeling.
I don't think Air Nike's are worth $150, but I don't go out and steel them.
edit: never really liked Steam on a personal level, but have more respect for them, now that they are showing some sense and understanding.
The difference is that you can try on the Nikes in store. Look at the design, be sure it's what you want. Many games now-a-days are sub-par, but still retail at extortionate prices. You can't even rely on review sites any more, as even the supposed un-biased sites are now "sponsored" by this companies.
Also, like dvd release, regions has a negative affect on the market, but big corporations like to milk every last ounce out of people.
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