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Forced subtitles for streaming video to PS3
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 20:40 |
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After hours of searching, I can't find the answer, so I'll ask here. Is there a way to see forced subtitles for streaming DVD rips to the PS3? I am getting pretty familiar with TSmuxer, MeGui, etc. I am willing to encode to h264 and remux if necessary. I just want the subtitles that come up automaticaly when someone isn't speaking english. Thanks in Advance.
Jason
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KajNrig
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31. March 2009 @ 22:13 |
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There are two major ways:
The first is hardsubbing, which is what you're talking about. If you want to get just the non-English parts, then there's usually two things you can do:
1.) The movie is already hardsubbed in those parts. (Some movies will do this.)
2.) If the movie isn't automatically hardsubbed, you can extract the DVD subtitles, convert the .sup bitmap subtitles to text subs like .srt, edit them as you see fit, and hardsub them onto the video.
The second way around that is to stream using PS3 Media Server. I'm not sure how well it handles DVD files, but I know it can handle subbing an .avi file on the fly just fine (given that the movie and subtitle share the same name and are in the same folder), as well as transcoding .mkv files (and maybe allowing subtitles). If you just want to stream the stuff, you might want to try out PS3MS. Almost everyone around here uses it, and they always have only good things to say about it.
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 22:27 |
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KajNrig, can you describe or post a link describing the process for #2?
I have seen some movies that are hardsubbed, but several of mine are not. I am currently working on Kill Bill Vol. 1.
I do use PS3 media server, but so far I haven't been letting it do the transcoding. The process of navigating the XMB to the "transcoded" folder rather than just the movies folder, and then not having thumbnails is OK for me but a bit much for the wife and daughter lol. So, I have been keeping all of my media PS3 compatible. I wish there was a way that all of the video was transcoded and had thumnails for a much simpler interface.
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31. March 2009 @ 22:35 |
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Funny you're using that movie to test your streams. I'm also using this movie for the same reason as well as trying to figure out how to use the dts soundtrack instead of DD.
I'll settle for a solution to the subtitle issue in PS3 media server for now, though.
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 22:52 |
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I have not played with DTS yet. Are you not able to demux the DTS track, or will the PS3 not stream it?
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KajNrig
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31. March 2009 @ 22:53 |
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Johmen, first quick question: Are you streaming the actual VOB DVD-rip? Or by "DVD rip" do you mean the VOB re-encoded to h264/Xvid/etc.?
'Cuz if it's the VOB re-encoded to h264/Xvid/etc., then you can probably just find the subtitles online, delete the parts you don't want (either in Subtitle Processor or even by opening it up in Notepad and editing it manually), and hardsub them that way. (Or create your own, if you can't find them online.)
A heck of a lot easier than if you're going the actual VOB DVD-rip route. That involves a program to extract the SUP subtitles, another program to convert the SUP subtitles (which are pictures, so the converted subtitles might not be 100%), and one last program to edit the subtitles. All before you hardsub.
And to wolf: Are you saying you've done this with the actual DVDs (as in VIDEO_TS folder or ISO image)? Or are you talking about re-encoded DVD rips (as in .avi, .m2ts files)?
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KajNrig
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31. March 2009 @ 22:55 |
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Originally posted by Johmem:
I have not played with DTS yet. Are you not able to demux the DTS track, or will the PS3 not stream it?
The PS3 can only play it if it's part of a Blu-Ray/DVD disc. If it's in an .avi file, for example, the PS3 won't play it.
Lame, but eh, what can ye do?
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 23:09 |
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KajNrig, currently I am just streaming the VOB rips that I created using DVD Shrink containing the main title, AC3, and english subtitles. I have renamed them all to .mpg but I think that was from when I was streaming from WMP.
However, I just built a far faster computer, and have been starting to re-encode my collection to save space. I am still looking for the best bitrate for this and I would also like to solve this forced subtitle issue first.
Is the subtitle processor part of TSmuxer?
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 23:25 |
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OK, I see it is a program. I am installing now.
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Johmem
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31. March 2009 @ 23:55 |
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Hmmm. What do I download for subs? .srt files? What do I load them in?
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KajNrig
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1. April 2009 @ 12:02 |
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Subs can come in all sorts of weird formats. The most common is .srt, and the most extravagant is .ass.
.srt subtitles are simple subtitles - just text and timing info.
.ass (or Advanced SubStation Alpha) subtitles can do all sorts of weird, freaky tricks, like loading different fonts, applying karaoke/fade/scroll/rotate effects, etc.
You'll most likely find .srt subtitles online, though I can't tell you where to get 'em.
That said, though, I honestly think that ripping the subtitles from the DVD is probably the best option if you want to preserve quality.
You can rip the subs from the DVD folder (here's a good guide), convert them to .srt (another good guide), then re-encode as normal, just with an addition to your Avisynth script (since you're using MeGUI, I'm assuming you're using Avisynth scripts):
yourscripthere...
LoadPlugin("C:/...path.../vsfilter.dll")
TextSub("C:/...path.../your subtitles.srt")
What this addition will do is force your subtitle into the movie.
Hope that helps out a bit. You should probably mess around a little with all of that first before trying anything extremely big. Check the preview window of MeGUI to see if you like what you get and stuff.
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Johmem
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1. April 2009 @ 20:11 |
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Thanks for all your help. I sucessfully hardcoded the forced subs in Kill Bill with a .srt file I downloaded, but I am not happy with some spelling errors etc. So, I am working with SubRip right now and it seems to be going well.
I understand that some movies do not have the forced subs in a separate stream like this one did. Rather they mark some of the subtitles in the main stream to be forced. Any tips on working with these?
Also, while I'm asking questions, do you have a bitrate recommendation for encoding DVD's to h264? The files are played on a fairly large 1080p television.
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KajNrig
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1. April 2009 @ 21:39 |
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If you've already got the subtitles, you can just open it up in Notepad (or Subtitle Processor) and edit it that way. ...or SubRip. Yeah, that's probably the way to go. I'm guessing the .srt subs had some really bad translations, huh?
For those movies that have those subtitles forced, I think those subs are already part of the actual picture, so you won't be able to "cut them out" or anything. I hope you know that's what you're doing when you hardsub your videos. You're making them part of the actual video; you won't be able to turn them off at a later time.
As for Bitrate... eh, I'm actually not too sure. Usually, I go with what the original filesize is and then use MeGUI's Bitrate Calculator to do the rest. For DVD rips, though... I dunno, maybe set the filesize to 700 MB like a regular .avi, or 1-2 GB if you don't really care about size? Or heck, you could even go uber el psycho on it and set the filesize to match the original.
That's probably what I'd do, just because I'm anal about losing quality I won't even notice. But yeah, I'd probably just go for filesize.
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2. April 2009 @ 16:07 |
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For DVD to h264 you can generally go 50-60% compression and keep it as close to the original as possible. I wouldn't go past 70%. For BD rips I have done up to 75% compression, that's considering the source and compression method too.
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Johmem
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2. April 2009 @ 18:55 |
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Thanks for all the help. I have been ripping forced subtitles and hardcoding them into my movies. So far so good.
I have been encoding DVDs at a bitrate of 2500 in a HQ preset and it looks really good. I think I'm going with 8000 for Blu-ray.
How important is it to crop the bars from a widescreen DVD movie for encoding? It seems to be messing with my aspect ratio.
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2. April 2009 @ 19:21 |
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Originally posted by Johmem:
Thanks for all the help. I have been ripping forced subtitles and hardcoding them into my movies. So far so good.
I have been encoding DVDs at a bitrate of 2500 in a HQ preset and it looks really good. I think I'm going with 8000 for Blu-ray.
How important is it to crop the bars from a widescreen DVD movie for encoding? It seems to be messing with my aspect ratio.
If you are viewing on a PC then I'd say crop away, if you intend to view on the PS3 I suggest you keep the AR where it is... do not crop. This way, if you decide later on that you'd like to free up some HDD space and burn to AVCHD then you'll need the proper AR.
For Blu-ray definitly keep the bars for the same purpose as above. Also, you may want to think about going slightly lower on the bitrate for BD, just in case you decide to burn to DVD... I'd calculate the video according to that.
Remember, black widescreen bars are just black pixels that take up virtually zero data, so you will not sacrifice any bitrate keeping them in.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 2. April 2009 @ 19:22
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