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article published on 19 August, 2009
According to a GameInformer article, the Xbox 360 still has a high failure rate, of 54.2 percent, due to the dreaded RROD, e74, and other errors, a number much higher than its current console rivals.
The PlayStation 3 had a 10.6 percent failure rate and the Wii was even lower, at 6.8 percent.
The survey used 5000 readers, but the article does mention a few notes to go along with the ... [ read the full article ]
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19. August 2009 @ 22:12 |
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It was a self-selecting survey.
Hardly the most reliable or accurate source.
You didn't have to prove you even owned an Xbox (or any of them) to comment and give views/opinions.
Given the fanboy tendancies of some console owners I'd take the results of this with a sack full of salt.
The closest to anything reliable is the 16% number - and that was for the 1st SKU version (the Xenon).
Since the Falcon (and particularly Jasper) SKUs, reliability is no longer an issue.
But to assure people they still give a 3yr warranty.
It's a real pity that isn't standard everywhere on everything.
Nobody makes a 'perfect every time' console so of course some people can say their Falcon or Jasper died but it's a real non-issue now.
- and as for what I'd do or buy of my (so far 100% reliable) Falcon died?
Well I'd not be buying anything.
I'd be making sure my Xbox showed the RROD or E74 fault and getting a free replacement.
Why stick with Xbox?
Cos I have 20+ games that I enjoy and it's a superb media streaming unit.
I can put up with a week or 2s break if it has to go off and be repaired/replaced.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
It was a self-selecting survey.
Hardly the most reliable or accurate source.
You didn't have to prove you even owned an Xbox (or any of them) to comment and give views/opinions.
Given the fanboy tendancies of some console owners I'd take the results of this with a sack full of salt.
The closest to anything reliable is the 16% number - and that was for the 1st SKU version (the Xenon).
Since the Falcon (and particularly Jasper) SKUs reliability is no longer an issue.
But to assure people they still give a 3yr warranty.
Nobody makes a perect every time console so of course some people can say their Falcon or Jasper died but it's a real non-issue now.
Not really since new units are dieing in a 1 to 10 ratio...
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19. August 2009 @ 22:18 |
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Not really since new units are dieing in a 1 to 10 ratio...
10% fail rate on the Jasper?!
Let's see you prove that with serious real proof.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
It was a self-selecting survey.
Hardly the most reliable or accurate source.
You didn't have to prove you even owned an Xbox (or any of them) to comment and give views/opinions.
Given the fanboy tendancies of some console owners I'd take the results of this with a sack full of salt.
The closest to anything reliable is the 16% number - and that was for the 1st SKU version (the Xenon).
Since the Falcon (and particularly Jasper) SKUs reliability is no longer an issue.
But to assure people they still give a 3yr warranty.
Nobody makes a perect every time console so of course some people can say their Falcon or Jasper died but it's a real non-issue now.
Not really since new units are dieing in a 1 to 10 ratio...
Well, according to this survey ps3 has a 10.6 failure rate.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
It was a self-selecting survey.
Hardly the most reliable or accurate source.
You didn't have to prove you even owned an Xbox (or any of them) to comment and give views/opinions.
Given the fanboy tendancies of some console owners I'd take the results of this with a sack full of salt.
The closest to anything reliable is the 16% number - and that was for the 1st SKU version (the Xenon).
Since the Falcon (and particularly Jasper) SKUs reliability is no longer an issue.
But to assure people they still give a 3yr warranty.
Nobody makes a perect every time console so of course some people can say their Falcon or Jasper died but it's a real non-issue now.
Not really since new units are dieing in a 1 to 10 ratio...
Well, according to this survey ps3 has a 10.6 failure rate.
Well if you dig a little you can find that the new consoles have half the fail rate of the old or less. Then by looking at the numbers you can say that old/refrub,ect cover half or so of the units out, so if you have a number of 50% for "all 360's" you can easily take 2/3rds off it for the new units.
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New units have a fail ate of around 10-20%
Older units have a fail rate of 20-40%
Total fail rate around 30-50%, all time high 60%.
This study with others merely confirms the higher than normal fail rate with the 360.
I still think the all time fail rate is higher than 50% but I don't really think current fail rate with newer units is above 20% I think its more around 10-15%. But frankly MS screwed up big time on this.
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
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New units have a fail ate of around 10-20%
Older units have a fail rate of 20-40%
Total fail rate around 30-50%, all time high 60%.
Please don't tell me you're adding the percentage of the new units + old units (which i believe you are), the new units sold more (or less) than the older units. So adding those two percentages up would not provide a true answer.
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New units have a fail ate of around 10-20%
Older units have a fail rate of 20-40%
Total fail rate around 30-50%, all time high 60%.
Please don't tell me you're adding the percentage of the new units + old units (which i believe you are), the new units sold more (or less) than the older units. So adding those two percentages up would not provide a true answer.
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http://gamepolitics.com/2009/08/17/repor...-rate-pegged-54
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I have done some research on the 360 fail rate more, and more than zippy skimming and ass'uuming mind you.
Heres a few interesting links I have found
This one alludes to it being 16% on current units
http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3166259
And this one is one of the best, even if he is hocvking a book, truth is always stranger than fiction.
http://games.venturebeat.com/2008/09/05/...e-console-woes/
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From all the digging I have read it seems the 360 total fail rate is around the 60% margin for its all time high now that includes production line issues.
Now frankly I think the real number is still around a 4 in 10 ratio or 25-40% ratio you simply have to many refrubs and older units in play and thats going to to affect the numbers some but no more than double possible fail rate of 10-20%.
TL DR
New units have a fail ate of around 10-20%
Older units have a fail rate of 20-40%
Total fail rate around 30-50%, all time high 60%.
MS was sloppy and poorly built and revised the 360 if they did it right the first time they probably would have made more than Nin and the WII......
New fail rates are in the 15% margin the rest undoubtedly is everything else, but one can only string together so much someone smarter than me will have to report a better itemized study.
With the numbers I am giving take at the minuim take it at the max either way MS fcked up bad.
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
is it shotty, 3 years sounds pretty good to me. sure beats the hell outa Sony's 1 year.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
The 3 year warranty is from date of purchase, even if it is repaired it still has a 3 year warranty for 3 rrod and e74 (i've even managed to get them to repair e73 under the 3 year warranty).
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Originally posted by DXR88:
i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
The 3 year warranty is from date of purchase, even if it is repaired it still has a 3 year warranty for 3 rrod and e74 (i've even managed to get them to repair e73 under the 3 year warranty).
No the refrubs they send out from the repair centers only have a 90 day warranty on them, same for 3 year'd HDD's..
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
Makes sense. after all they are a corporation and we all know what corporations look out for.
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
The 3 year warranty is from date of purchase, even if it is repaired it still has a 3 year warranty for 3 rrod and e74 (i've even managed to get them to repair e73 under the 3 year warranty).
No the refrubs they send out from the repair centers only have a 90 day warranty on them, same for 3 year'd HDD's..
Umm no, every time i've sent in my console they will either send back it repaired, or they will send a refurb with your original serial number. The 3 year warranty is from date of purchase, doesn't matter if you get it repaired.
That 90 day warranty covers any error, like the original 1 year warranty... only quartered.
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i really couldn't say i've experienced the spine tingling sensation called RROD. ive said it a million times over on aD when someone decides to play the rate game.
i know the sound of an xbox 360 game spinning up, i can almost call where its at just by the sound alone.
So you are saying that MS has done enough to deal with the high fail rate issues?
When it comes to sales figures most are subjective and dicking contests but this is a bit different.
i wouldn't know the only failure i've had with my 1st gen box was drive magnets pesky little buggers those things.
have they done enough? they've done everything except a major motherboard overhaul which it needs the GPU and CPU being that close together is not helping the mainboard integrity any. and the side IR plates are useless save for the one by the hdd.
So there shotty warranty plan is good enough?
Well they used either hatachi,ect drives so that's more their issue not really MSs fault other than buying it.... the Xbox did have some heating issues which are magnified in the 360 design.
How is it a shotty warranty plan???
The 3 year warranty is only good until the first failure then you get a refrub with a 90 day warranty, you should get 3 years from the manufacturing date, then the 90 day cycle will start if you are out the first 3 year time line.
There are simply to many loopholes for MS to wiggle out of...
Makes sense. after all they are a corporation and we all know what corporations look out for.
And even MS can't cover its wide ass so well.
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ohh no, please dont tell me were going to break out the xbox 360 toaster oven, ps3 grill and a picture of a panda riding a go cart!
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Your friend in nam is not lying. She has a modded PS2, and the modder was generous enough to relabel the PS2 to PS3.
Then the pirate selling games relabeled Assassins Creed 1 and called it Assassins Creed 2. This is called marketing.
Your friend is honest and thinks she plays AC2 on a PS3. In reality she is playing AC1 on a PS2.
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Originally posted by H08:
ohh no, please dont tell me were going to break out the xbox 360 toaster oven, ps3 grill and a picture of a panda riding a go cart!
Yessir, we sure are. now where did i leave it...Haha.
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Originally posted by H08:
ohh no, please dont tell me were going to break out the xbox 360 toaster oven, ps3 grill and a picture of a panda riding a go cart!
Well, if this continues the way it is now the panda might just be making an appearance ;)
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Yay :D
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Originally posted by Morreale:
Yay :D
You cut out the captions... btw didn't i originally post that??? Then i got flamed afterwards for it...
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I donno I just googled it lol
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