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250GB 'Super' Xbox 360 Elite coming soon?
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article published on 30 August, 2009
Kotaku is reporting that a 250GB 'Super' Xbox 360 Elite is possibly on the way, and two retail leaks seem to confirm the fact.
The first ad, from the German Amazon, lists a 250 GB Xbox 360 Elite bundled with Forza Motorsport 3 and 2 wireless controllers for ?279.99, about $400 USD.
The second ad, from the South African retailer BT Games, shows the so-called "Super" Elite for R4699, ... [ read the full article ]
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chris4160
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Originally posted by pphoenix:
ah the good old off topic sony talk has hijacked a 360 thread.
cause they cant comment on their articles...
Thats the 360 calling the PS3 black. It is thanks to pphownix that the PS3 articles are closed.
Seriously, do we have to go to this again. There's 100 other news articles that have turned into xbox vs ps. GET OVER IT. They're gaming consoles ffs. It's not the end of the world.
Experiencing the wii: $249. Enjoying the playstation 3: $299. Playing the xbox 360: $199. In it for the games: Priceless.
If you like ps3 GET OVER IT. If you like xbox GET OVER IT. If you like wii GET OVER IT. If you like none, why are you in a gaming discussion?
Period.
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1. September 2009 @ 08:39 |
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I hate these tangents these threads go on also, but if someone posts inaccurate info, a rebuttal should be expected. I don't mind valid arguments over which manufacturer is charging more for parts, or which features are lacking. I even enjoy the arguments over game quality, as long as people list sources. Unfortunatley it's the stupid ones like "the PS3 has no good exclusives" that still need addressing. Not in a confrontational way. Just the facts. Every opinion trying to pass off as fact on every news article on the internet should be shot down as opinion. Otherwise, I don't think this thread is as out of control as many others have become.
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1. September 2009 @ 09:39 |
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Originally posted by emugamer:
I hate these tangents these threads go on also, but if someone posts inaccurate info, a rebuttal should be expected. I don't mind valid arguments over which manufacturer is charging more for parts, or which features are lacking. I even enjoy the arguments over game quality, as long as people list sources. Unfortunatley it's the stupid ones like "the PS3 has no good exclusives" that still need addressing. Not in a confrontational way. Just the facts. Every opinion trying to pass off as fact on every news article on the internet should be shot down as opinion. Otherwise, I don't think this thread is as out of control as many others have become.
Your post is the reason why this thread will stay open (unless another mod/admin deems otherwise). Great post.
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1. September 2009 @ 11:04 |
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I think they can sell this at $350 max. The game bundle is good, but for the one without it, I don't know. I love my 360 but I think any 360 selling for more than the price of the cheapest 360 is a pretty epic fail. You get a bigger HDD but who cares. What will you do? Store 500 one day video rentals? Copy your media collection to your console rather than stream it over your network? To spend 10 minutes installing a game to save 2 seconds on load times here and there? To fall into the myth that you help keep the console cool... because running games off the HDD means you don't use the CPU and GPU :o
I think that this super Elite will be $299 within six months.
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the simplicity of put a cartridge in & it works has now gone, i thought console gaming was supposed to be a simple and cheap alternative to the PC, what a joke.
LOL. You know you can just pop in a DVD and start playing the game in seconds, right? Also, I think your memory has gone bad or you're just ignorant, but a SNES, NES and Genesis weren't exactly cheap, especially compared to a $199 Xbox 360. And the games were like $70. The last 3 N64 games I purchased were over $60 when they first came out (Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day and Jet Force Gemini). They weren't special collector's editions either. It was just the game and a manual.
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1. September 2009 @ 11:48 |
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Originally posted by atomicxl:
I think they can sell this at $350 max.
Have a look at the prices again.
?279.99.
In Europe that is less than the price of the new PS3 slim.
In Europe the Xbox Elite and the PS3 slim are not the same price.
In the UK they are £199 v £249.
In Europe they are ?249 v ?299.
The Xbox being the cheaper and PS3 slim the more expensive.
So this bundle is actually less expensive than the current PS3 slim.
That being the case why assume that this will street in the USA at any more than $299?
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LOL. You know you can just pop in a DVD and start playing the game in seconds, right? Also, I think your memory has gone bad or you're just ignorant, but a SNES, NES and Genesis weren't exactly cheap, especially compared to a $199 Xbox 360. And the games were like $70. The last 3 N64 games I purchased were over $60 when they first came out (Perfect Dark, Conker's Bad Fur Day and Jet Force Gemini). They weren't special collector's editions either. It was just the game and a manual.
lol, I think we can all agree that at least the days of SNES gaming were much less complicated than today. There weren't multiple skus or console add-ons, or firmware updates, game updates, dlc, etc.. For a while, it was mainly Nintendo vs Sega. The comparison was truly fanboy, as a large portion of the age group was probably mid to pre-teen and it was fun to bash Sonic if you were a Mario fanboy. If detailed specs were fodder for techies, you really had to search for it, because the internet wasn't as mainstream as it is now and there weren't an abundance of public forums you could choose from. I was a Nintendo kid, and subscribed to Nintendo Power. I didn't know or didn't care if Sega had a competing newsletter or magazine. Being betwen 12-15 at the time of both the NES and SNES, I didn't know any adults over 20 who were into video games. They mere marketed as a kids toy. N64 games were relatively more expensive, but I'm pretty sure I didn't spend $60 on a SNES game. And if I'm not mistaken, the comment you singled out was a general statement, not a cost analysis of a single cartridge based system vs todays games. I didn't find it ignorant at all. I find the evolution of video games and marketing strategies fascintating. Especially when you can draw from your own experiences to either agree or disagree with historical research..
What are we talking about again??...lol
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1. September 2009 @ 14:36 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Your post is the reason why this thread will stay open (unless another mod/admin deems otherwise). Great post.
What was decided, at least by myself and Dela, was that the console articles having comments disabled will be at the discretion of the writer of the article. Didn't think there would be too much drama in a speculation article about Xbox 360 pricing tbh. :P
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1. September 2009 @ 14:40 |
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No doubt about it a minimum of 500gb is needed for either console & even then i wonder if that's really big enough,seems sony has upgraded to a 120gb now on their latest console in "the warehouse" mailer,strange they'd bother if there's a slim comming
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by Oner:
Your post is the reason why this thread will stay open (unless another mod/admin deems otherwise). Great post.
What was decided, at least by myself and Dela, was that the console articles having comments disabled will be at the discretion of the writer of the article. Didn't think there would be too much drama in a speculation article about Xbox 360 pricing tbh. :P
ROFL...360 pricing = which games have better graphics....
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1. September 2009 @ 20:01 |
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There goes the reliability issue, wave it goodbye folks.
Contrary to some raking up ancient news and silly 'surveys' here's a report by SquareTrade, an independent provider of warranties on electronics.
Dated Aug 28th 2009.
http://www.squaretrade.com/htm/pdf/Squar...bility_0809.pdf
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2.7% of Wiis fail during the first two years of ownership, compared with a 10% failure rate over that period for Sony?s PlayStation 3 and a 23.7% failure rate for Microsoft?s Xbox 360......
......Since Microsoft introduced a new chip in the Xbox 360 last year, SquareTrade said complaints about the red ring of death problem have begun to abate. On over 500 Xbox 360s purchased by SquareTrade customers in 2009, fewer than 1% reported a red ring of death problem as of August, according to SquareTrade."
There you go, I was asked to provide proof that the new Falcon & Jasper mobos had improved reliability to the sort of norm everyone else provides and I have.
I thank you.
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Weird how you couldn't provide it earlier when asked, then only to post something that came out today or so? Odd isn't it? But whatever...SquareTrade is not Microsoft and is an outside party not privy to EXACT numbers, whereas (as I have stated before) Microsoft themselves admitted to over 11 Million 360's being defective in the first 19 months of sales and every revision thereafter still proved to be affected. Less affected *YES* but still a major issue.
I prefer to go by the horses mouth. Microsoft. Not an external party. Take that as you please.
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1. September 2009 @ 21:39 |
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this is news? i don't know where you guys have been but over at the real deal 360 forums we have known about this for well over a month. great flame war though, too bad the numbers dont lie ps3 fanboys. apparantly the console owners know what they want, and they want the 360. and dont blame it on the recession, i am in the retail industry and everything is blamed on the recession.
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1. September 2009 @ 21:41 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Weird how you couldn't provide it earlier when asked, then only to post something that came out today or so? Odd isn't it?
Not in the slightest.
There was no such independant and up-to-date data until this report here came out today.
It's as simple as that.
Originally posted by Oner:
But whatever...SquareTrade is not Microsoft and is an outside party not privy to EXACT numbers
Maybe so, but they are an independant 3rd party warranty company and their numbers can be seen as free from spin or bias.
Originally posted by Oner:
whereas (as I have stated before) Microsoft themselves admitted to over 11 Million 360's being defective in the first 19 months of sales
Dated July 2007.
Over 2 years out-of-date.
That's not much use for telling us how things are today following the 2 major hardware revisions.
Originally posted by Oner:
and every revision thereafter still proved to be affected. Less affected *YES* but still a major issue.
That's purely your own spin & invention on this.
Nothing in the report dated July 2007 said anything about how future hardware revisions (one of which was over 1 year away) was "affected" at all.
Originally posted by Oner:
I prefer to go by the horses mouth. Microsoft. Not an external party. Take that as you please.
S'funny some want it both ways.
It's not unusual to find plenty who wouldn't trust or believe a word Microsoft have to say about anything.
That failrate is interesting though.
Jasper Xbox has a failrate 1/10th that of PS3.
PS3 fails run at 1 in 10?
Intersting.
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Interestx
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1. September 2009 @ 21:45 |
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One last thing.
Like any form of insurance a 3rd party warranty company only cares about one thing: rates of liability/risk & for that they need accuracy.
Without it, they stand to lose their shirts to over the insurance they offer people, or be sued heavily for under insuring people.
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HDNow
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1. September 2009 @ 21:59 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
I prefer to go by the horses mouth. Microsoft. Not an external party. Take that as you please.
How does Microsoft respond to the reported 54.2 percent failure rate?
They didn't dispute the data!
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1. September 2009 @ 22:05 |
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Originally posted by HDNow:
How does Microsoft respond to the reported 54.2 percent failure rate?
They didn't dispute the data
Why would they, specifically?
That "data" was garbage.
No serious statistician would considerit anything beyond the most weak of anecdotal 'evidence'.
Self-selected & completely unverified.
It's about as substantive as a phone-in.
(and suspiciously timed around the PS3 slim release too)
It stands no comparison with the SquareTrade data.
That is serious industry data.
It is independent and verifiable, being based on the claims they see verses the number of policies taken out over a given period.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
That "data" was garbage.
Why didn't MS say so?
Their silence was deafening.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Weird how you couldn't provide it earlier when asked, then only to post something that came out today or so? Odd isn't it? But whatever...SquareTrade is not Microsoft and is an outside party not privy to EXACT numbers, whereas (as I have stated before) Microsoft themselves admitted to over 11 Million 360's being defective in the first 19 months of sales and every revision thereafter still proved to be affected. Less affected *YES* but still a major issue.
I prefer to go by the horses mouth. Microsoft. Not an external party. Take that as you please.
What ms was referring to was the x clamps, which aren't the main reason for rrod (if you new anything about the xbox 360, the topic at hand, you would know that). So that does not mean 11 million units have rrod, it means 11 million units could possibly be faulty... but any electrical item can be faulty, nothing new. The x clamps aren't even in the new xbox's, so again you are bringing up old news.
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Originally posted by HDNow:
Originally posted by Interestx:
That "data" was garbage.
Why didn't MS say so?
Their silence was deafening.
because thats how ms rolls. they dont have to prove anything.
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1. September 2009 @ 22:35 |
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Originally posted by homesick:
because thats how ms rolls. they dont have to prove anything.
At least they owned up to the E74 Error - which I recently suffered on my 3rd 360 2 months after I got it back from having the RROD fixed. So back it went to MS.
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as far as i know they have owned up to all of their mistakes. and can still afford to fix all xbox's and still outprice sony. bravo bill gates, bravo... :)
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Originally posted by homesick:
as far as i know they have owned up to all of their mistakes
"MISTAKES" - absolutely the correct word to use in this case.
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Originally posted by homesick:
as far as i know they have owned up to all of their mistakes. and can still afford to fix all xbox's and still outprice sony. bravo bill gates, bravo... :)
And still be beating ps3 in sales.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Oner:
Weird how you couldn't provide it earlier when asked, then only to post something that came out today or so? Odd isn't it?
Not in the slightest.
There was no such independant and up-to-date data until this report here came out today.
It's as simple as that.
But yet (once again) you said you could provide your "data/sources" earlier but somehow you couldn't/didn't...that's what's odd. It seems like this "report" came out and just so happened to support what you said (with no prior proof) and now you are using it to fit your claim of which you couldn't prove earlier. But again, whatever. It's semantics but by luck not by your own researched proof.
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Oner:
whereas (as I have stated before) Microsoft themselves admitted to over 11 Million 360's being defective in the first 19 months of sales
Dated July 2007.
Over 2 years out-of-date.
That's not much use for telling us how things are today following the 2 major hardware revisions.
So let me get this straight. You are actually saying because Microsoft THEMSELVES admit that 11 million 360's are DEFECTIVE that it's not valid because it is "2 years old"?!?!
Wow. Um, Yeah...OK. It can't get much clearer than that. Yes it does not mean all 11 million have RROD (I have NEVER said that) but that that 11 million by itself are prone to failure because they are DEFECTIVE.
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Oner:
But whatever...SquareTrade is not Microsoft and is an outside party not privy to EXACT numbers
Maybe so, but they are an independant 3rd party warranty company and their numbers can be seen as free from spin or bias.
But yet you won't accept MS's OWN admission as proof...quite odd. Is the room spinning or is it just me?
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Oner:
and every revision thereafter still proved to be affected. Less affected *YES* but still a major issue.
That's purely your own spin & invention on this.
Really? So all those Youtube videos & Gaming and/or review sites like Joystiq, IGN, Kotaku etc. showing/having RROD's & E74's (just because it's a new name doesn't mean it's a different problem) on the Xenon, Zephyr, Falcon, Opus, Jasper & Valhalla revisions are just imaginary fallacies right?
Honestly, this is getting ludicrous. It's not even worth having to waste my time to link to sources, proof & documentation anymore because certain types of people STILL won't see it no matter what is shown.
The absolute fact is 360's STILL fail because of the same issue. Hence the problem is not fixed. YES IT IS LOWER (as I have ALWAYS said) but that doesn't mean it's not of concern or that it doesn't happen.
Originally posted by chris4160:
Originally posted by homesick:
as far as i know they have owned up to all of their mistakes. and can still afford to fix all xbox's and still outprice sony. bravo bill gates, bravo... :)
And still be beating ps3 in sales.
Ugh....I thought we went through this already ~ http://www.smgamers.com/?p=948 they really aren't.
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Since you are excluding all models except the Jasper to get your 1%, Then surely you would exclude all PS3 models except the Slim to get the PS3 Failure rate which is probably 0% at the moment.
If I don?t count the first two Atomic Bombs that we dropped on Japan, then the USA really didn?t drop any Atomic Bombs on Japan. If we are going to count Apples, lets count them all.
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