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MS Ban Hammer - 10.30.09
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11. November 2009 @ 21:27 |
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I've read in the new york a.m. paper today ''Microsoft has been sweeping their servers for modified consoles'' or something alone the lines of that ...pretty much they have swept their servers for offenders such as myself...and elsewhere ive read ban waves were expensive for man power or something..i think that was from here lol...so..maybe its a seasonal thing?...for the mw2 release etc like...from now on we should all hide our live heads in the dirt for massive releases?..the server sweeps makes sense to me ...anyone else?
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hurley131
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11. November 2009 @ 22:10 |
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Update (5:50 p.m.): This story has been updated with a statement from Microsoft.
It's oh-so enticing: you find a copy of a brand new game like Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2 on a pirate site and the temptation to download it is too strong.
Well, that temptation may have cost up to 1 million users of Microsoft's Xbox Live the ability to use that service. According to a report in InformationWeek, Microsoft has banned as many as a million players from Xbox Live for altering their consoles in order to play pirated versions of games.
This week, Activision's new Call of Duty was released, and InformationWeek speculated that because pirated versions of the game appeared on various sharing sites in advance of the release, the game's developer may have exhorted Microsoft to enact the bans.
"Xbox 360 consoles are equipped with digital rights management technologies designed to detect pirated software," InformationWeek wrote, "but some players have successfully 'modded,' or modified, their machines to circumvent DRM protections."
Even if someone has been banned, their Xbox will still play offline games, InformationWeek said. But it's not at all clear if the bans are permanent or if Microsoft will allow those who have been booted from Xbox Live to return at some point down the line.
In a statement Microsoft said its "commitment to combat piracy and support safer and more secure gameplay for the more than 20 million members of the Xbox Live community remains a top priority. All consumers should know that piracy is illegal and modifying their Xbox 360 console violates the Xbox Live terms of use, will void their warranty and result in a ban from Xbox Live. We can assure you that if an Xbox Live member follows the Xbox Live terms of use, purchased a retail copy of Modern Warfare 2 and played the game on an unmodified Xbox 360, no action will be taken."
And on the Xbox support page, Xbox Live Director of Programming Larry Hryb, aka Major Nelson, has addressed some of the circumstances that could lead to a player's being banned.
"Players who find their Gamertags banned from Xbox Live have wound up in that situation due to violations of the Xbox Live Terms of Use," Major Nelson wrote. "The Xbox Live team monitors players for not just cheating, but also for things like threats, racism, profanity, and just being an all around poor sport and ruining the game for others.
"When a Gamertag comes up as violating our policies for online behavior, the person who owns that Gamertag is punished by being banned from the service. Keep in mind, this isn't just a ban on a particular game. This is a ban on the Xbox Live service as a whole, so you won't be able to go online at all during your ban. Initially, you may be banned for a day, a week, or depending on severity, permanently! Kiss that $50 goodbye."
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This is from CNET
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Morreale
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11. November 2009 @ 22:18 |
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20 million live members? It's 19 million now, idiots...
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shine305
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11. November 2009 @ 22:44 |
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I got this info from another site
EDIT* WRONG DAMN INFO!
Xbox360 LIVE Bans Info and iXtreme Online FW WIP
>> Here are some details about the Xbox360 LIVE bans I got directly and indirectly from GaryOPA, Commodore4eva (C4E), Iriez and others. Of course don't take any of this info as 100% confirmed, noone knows exactly based on what data MS is banning ... it's just an analysis of what they think is happening and what MS might/can be checking.
C4E thinks MS is probably detecting and banning consoles from LIVE by tracking usage of backups via timing of the challenge response (c/r) on the drive over the last few weeks or months. A modified FW will reply much faster to the the Challenges requests (stored in a table) than an original firmware (seek on drive). They probably do this test more than once and can ban you if you're above a certain average.
FuzzyLogic also found that microsoft is sometimes doing additional checks on discs: PFI/DMI (so images without these sectors (or if using an old FWs without support for PFI/DMI) can probably be detected easily), drive inquiry (reads ascii string from drive), and capacity (reports capacity of disc) are requested. Strange thing here is MS requests 0x8000 bytes for PFI and DMI, while it should normally be 0x0800 bytes. TheSpecialist pointed out that the remaining 0x7800 bytes contains the relocated SS and PFI on burned discs ... which would make it very easy to detect backups for MS. C4E however told us this would not work on TS drives as its cut off to 0800 even if more data is asked, it's unconfirmed how modified HLG FWs drives respond to this atm.
The "read capacity check" will also work as detection on HLG because, unlike the newest TS FWs, it doesn't have true 'stealth media' yet, these drives are reporting back the burned disc based size of PFI instead of the correct PFI.
Apparently there's also an issue with SS (Security Sector) extracted from Hitachi-LG, some necessary data is screwed ... which means that probably only the Toshiba-Samsung / Kreon setup has been extracting correct SS.
Another thing they are probably detecting (but probably not using yet to decide to ban or not) and log/flag is if you ever booted your Xbox360 with DVD SATA cable not connected to your Xbox360 (E64). Many people did this to power their drive when they wanted to flash it (power connected to 360, SATA to PC). So it's highly suggested to use an external power to flash next time.
It's also possible MS also bans based on stuff like bad credit card info for your country, running a NTSC machine with euro-address/credit card (or inverse), having out-of-region (arcade) games and demos on your HDD, unofficial 360 HDD, internet downloaded gamesaves etc. There's no clear view on all this yet.
For now, C4E believes Microsoft is not detecting modified FWs or detecting FW changes/updates. Using a special FW they did not detect any debug commands sent to the drive by MS (they went through the dash/kernel updates with the special FW as well and did not detect any debug commands there either). So they think either:
A/ MS is not doing any FW detection right now, and only previously (maybe on request of MS servers while playing on LIVE?), or
B/ MS is banning based only on the timings of the drive, ss/pfi/dmi checks, capacity, drive inquiry and c/r verification.
We also got information C4E is working on an "iXtreme Online" FW for Toshiba-Samsung drives, a Hitachi-LG version and maybe even BenQ version might follow later.
The new FW will have less features than the current Xtreme FWs: no single-layer (DVD5) support, no ripping of games (0800 mode), but more features to safely play from burned discs (emulate the exact speed and timings of the original games) and prevent booting from un-safe discs (without PFI and DMI or bad SS - so discs not passing the 'Stealth Check' (using Xbox Backup Creator(info) for example) are not going to boot on the new firmware), or images that aren't exact dumps of the original.
There's no official ETA (maybe this weekend though for TS drives), and of course no guarantee MS will never ban you based on new checks (that's the risk it takes if you want to be part of the modding community ) The HLG FW will take a bit longer as it'll require true 'Stealth media' etc added.
This new FW will of course be made mostly for new consoles being modded, because even if you're not banned from LIVE yet there's no way to know if MS already has info/logs on your console ID regarding timings or other stuff so even changing to this new firmware in the near future may not stop that console ID from being banned in the next wave of MS bans.
If your console is not banned yet, it's highly suggested you don't boot any burned discs, originals should be ok, even when offline (MS might be storing results of some checks in flash), until the release of the new FW.
If your console is already banned this will of course not help you ... just enjoy the offline playing on that console for now (with some games you could try using 3rd party networks like XLink Kai(info)) and maybe some day a new exploit will allow you to do more with that console.
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qwert99
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11. November 2009 @ 22:57 |
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Neat info, but there is so much false information going around. How do we know this is legit?
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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Knowledge from Leerage? -- Priceless
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Morreale
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11. November 2009 @ 23:06 |
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The info above is from the 2007 banwave lol
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shine305
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11. November 2009 @ 23:12 |
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well they got me 1 hour ago playing cdmw2 not a copy .been play that for 2 days and b4 that gow2 also not a copy. but about 4 days ago i was playing boderland a copy but passed all cheks in the abgx system. other than that have not played anything eles online. i try not to play copys online even if it did chek out so most games i play while offline. and i go as fare as to turn off the xbox, take out the game be for i reconect.one thing i did do that could have got me ban is my xbox broke for the 4 time and i did a gut swap that my be a reason that some are getting banned also. wont be doing that anymore.lite on 1.6 flashed 9/14/09
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Dolomite
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11. November 2009 @ 23:24 |
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so,
ive been banned for a week now, but thats not the point, i have like 12friends that little by little ALL are getting banned, all kinds of drives and firmwares, no one is safe.
friend of mine that has a benq drive firmware 1.60 heard last week of the ban wave and to prevent that he thought he would be safe if he changed the firmware to the original, but to our disgrace he was banned today !
shame though, thought he was going to make it
" Live Fast, Die Young "
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endirr
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11. November 2009 @ 23:38 |
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I received this email from vendor:
XBOX 360
There have been several bans happening over the last week.
There is a new iXtreme LT firmware for your Xbox 360 Mod coming out soon...
It has not been confirmed but we beleive the current iXtreme firmware may be detecable on xbox live.
We strongly suggest you remain off of xbox live until further notice.
Gord - www.samsungdrives.com
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zeeden
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12. November 2009 @ 00:45 |
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Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to share my experience with this ban situation. I had my drive flashed over the summer to play backups. I got someone to do it because it was just more efficient at the time.
The only reason I flashed it was to play backups. I verify all games via ABGX, I do not play games early nor do I play games (backup or original) on live at all, but I did go on live a few days ago. I'm not exactly sure which firmware I have but I think its 1.51.
The reason why I went on live was because I wanted to connect my Xbox to my computer to stream divx movies and it required me to log online to do an update.
I didn't know that there was this ban wave going on, but I took out any disc that I had in the system and went online. All updates completed, logged off and streamed a movie. I believe two updates were installed.
I wanted to make sure that I wouldn't be banned by updating so I went on the computer to do some research and I found out that people were being banned since october.
Now after I updated there was no notification or errors of me being banned. Not sure if M$ detected my system for a future ban or not. Or maybe you have to be on live for a certain time to be swept. I'm gonna stay off live for now.. I can still run back ups.
If I do want to play a game online i'll just buy a PS3 or just wait for another flash.. Who knows may drive may have already been detected and M$ is just waiting for me to come back on to ban me.
Stayin' low
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12. November 2009 @ 02:32 |
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Originally posted by zeeden:
Who knows may drive may have already been detected and M$ is just waiting for me to come back on to ban me.
Stayin' low
If your Xbox has been flogged, that's it. You'll get banned. You don't need to be offline for them to do it. Once they've hit the button, your attempt to log into Live will fail. Hopefully your console hasn't been flagged, but one way to see, is to phone up Microsoft "enquiring" as to whether or not your console is still in warranty and eligible for repair. They will ask for the serial number, pass it to them, and if it's flagged to be banned, they will say so. If not, the conversation ends there.
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12. November 2009 @ 02:34 |
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A funny thing about gamesaves on banned console. I was banned 3 days ago. Changed the mb and reverted back to an unbanned, unmodded console. The rest of the console was the same including the hdd. When I changed the mb I asked the guy to format the hdd just in case. Anyway M$ had already tampered with the HDD and could not be read. All my son's gamesaves were deleted along with everything else. My son almost cried when he learnt about his deleted gamesaves.
Then my son got an original GOW2 (his favorite game) yesterday. When he went on XBL to play it he found that his gamesaves were still there. Anybody experienced this? Needless to say he was ecstatic.
He'll be getting Halo ODST tomorrow and I'm curious to see if his old gamesave can be retrieved from XBL like his GOW2.
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sak500
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12. November 2009 @ 03:27 |
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Originally posted by zeeden:
Hello Everyone,
Just wanted to share my experience with this ban situation. I had my drive flashed over the summer to play backups. I got someone to do it because it was just more efficient at the time.
The only reason I flashed it was to play backups. I verify all games via ABGX, I do not play games early nor do I play games (backup or original) on live at all, but I did go on live a few days ago. I'm not exactly sure which firmware I have but I think its 1.51.
The reason why I went on live was because I wanted to connect my Xbox to my computer to stream divx movies and it required me to log online to do an update.
I didn't know that there was this ban wave going on, but I took out any disc that I had in the system and went online. All updates completed, logged off and streamed a movie. I believe two updates were installed.
I wanted to make sure that I wouldn't be banned by updating so I went on the computer to do some research and I found out that people were being banned since october.
Now after I updated there was no notification or errors of me being banned. Not sure if M$ detected my system for a future ban or not. Or maybe you have to be on live for a certain time to be swept. I'm gonna stay off live for now.. I can still run back ups.
If I do want to play a game online i'll just buy a PS3 or just wait for another flash.. Who knows may drive may have already been detected and M$ is just waiting for me to come back on to ban me.
Stayin' low
You are one of the lucky ones and you can use it to your advantage. Either call MS service rep and request for repair and ask if the warranty is intact and they will either tell u that ur console is under warranty (thus not being detected for ban) or void (being on ban list). So what you can do is buy an arcade and keep it for online MP games and use the unbanned (flashed) for offline games and can still swap the drive since the profile should work unless the console is banned.
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12. November 2009 @ 03:29 |
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Originally posted by 7_11:
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That's what happens when you recover your profile via Xbox Live. The only thing is, you can't take the HD to a different console, else the saves will become corrupt and you will have to recover from XBL again.
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liquidwtr
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12. November 2009 @ 03:38 |
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the harddrive profiles are recovable if you delete the profile but keep the items, which is what your "guy" must have done, which is why when your son recovered he found he still had all his gamesaves
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TheNatch
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12. November 2009 @ 03:44 |
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Originally posted by Mik3h:
Originally posted by 7_11:
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That's what happens when you recover your profile via Xbox Live. The only thing is, you can't take the HD to a different console, else the saves will become corrupt and you will have to recover from XBL again.
True but not entirely. You cannot put your HD back on a banned 360 as the profile not the saves will be corrupt. However if you put your HD with your profile on an unbanned 360, it will not corrupt but allow you to sign in as well as update any achievements you may get while connected to that other 360. I know as I have done it since my old one was banned in this wave on Nov 6. I take my HD with me to my friends house all the time and it works fine.
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TheNatch
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12. November 2009 @ 03:53 |
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Originally posted by 7_11:
A funny thing about gamesaves on banned console. I was banned 3 days ago. Changed the mb and reverted back to an unbanned, unmodded console. The rest of the console was the same including the hdd. When I changed the mb I asked the guy to format the hdd just in case. Anyway M$ had already tampered with the HDD and could not be read. All my son's gamesaves were deleted along with everything else. My son almost cried when he learnt about his deleted gamesaves.
Then my son got an original GOW2 (his favorite game) yesterday. When he went on XBL to play it he found that his gamesaves were still there. Anybody experienced this? Needless to say he was ecstatic.
He'll be getting Halo ODST tomorrow and I'm curious to see if his old gamesave can be retrieved from XBL like his GOW2.
Yeah see what happened is this. (I speak from experience) When the his original 360 was banned, it corrupted his profile. Once the profile is corrupted, it cannot be seen once you put the HDD on an unbanned 360. The only way to see the corrupted profile is to go into system settings, memory,profiles. The profile will show up with the gamer pic and say corrupted. When this happened to me I called M$ right away as I wanted my profile. I learned my profile was not banned and they told me what to do. M$ also advised that as long as your profile is not banned, you will never lose anything even if your console is banned. So you have to delete the profile. When you click delete it gives an option to delete profile only, or delete profile and all items. Choose profile only. Once the profile is deleted, recover it. It will allow you to recover and will take about 5 to 15 minutes.
There your profile is back with everything it had on it including game saves. A lot of people is saying that if you are banned that you lose your profile, game saves, life and anything else that is attached. This is 100% FALSE!!
M$ chooses to ban your profile but did not for those who were banned. Only if your profile is banned will you lose everything forever.
I was banned November 6th, was back with a new 360 12hours later, recovered my profile and all is fine with the world.
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Flipmode1
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12. November 2009 @ 05:15 |
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I was banned on evening of the 10th, i'm from UK. My 360 was flashed day before release of FIFA10, got a copy of that on release date, this was the only copied game i played online. Now since around the last week of october i was offline playing some copied games, Batman AA and then also MW2 on weekend of 7/8th Nov, as soon as i tried to sign in on 10th boom i was banned. Must have been flagged from the FIFA game i was playing online i guess.
Anyway i'm going to be buying a new one this week. Interesting reading the last couple of comments regarding savegames as this was what i wanted to know so thanks. I'm pretty sure the achievements i achieved while i was offline would be lost, no way to recover them right? As on the new console i will have to recover my GT, luckily only was a few nights work so not a problem but does anyone know if you can use the banned console to play single player games, get achievements etc and then use a memory stick to transfer to the unbanned console?
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liquidwtr
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12. November 2009 @ 05:23 |
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Originally posted by Flipmode1:
I was banned on evening of the 10th, i'm from UK. My 360 was flashed day before release of FIFA10, got a copy of that on release date, this was the only copied game i played online. Now since around the last week of october i was offline playing some copied games, Batman AA and then also MW2 on weekend of 7/8th Nov, as soon as i tried to sign in on 10th boom i was banned. Must have been flagged from the FIFA game i was playing online i guess.
Anyway i'm going to be buying a new one this week. Interesting reading the last couple of comments regarding savegames as this was what i wanted to know so thanks. I'm pretty sure the achievements i achieved while i was offline would be lost, no way to recover them right? As on the new console i will have to recover my GT, luckily only was a few nights work so not a problem but does anyone know if you can use the banned console to play single player games, get achievements etc and then use a memory stick to transfer to the unbanned console?
no, once you place your profile into a banned 360 it becomes corrupted and must be recovered from xbox live servers in order to play on xbox live, so no you can't use your banned console to get achievments from your games and still be able to play with those achievments on an unbanned 360
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12. November 2009 @ 05:26 |
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Thank you all for your input on my gamesave question. Just want to clarify that the hdd was indeed formatted. I watched the guy do it. So there was virtually nothing on it after the format. I think my son actually got back his GOW2 gamesave from XBL and not from the hdd.
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panispy
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12. November 2009 @ 05:34 |
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Originally posted by kgleeson:
has anyone in europe been banned yet.
it seems an awfull lot of these posts are american
are they doing it region by region?
No mate im in London and im banned playing all the games i had in single player mode.....:)
All i can say is what am excellent wave from microsoft. Come on we have to admit pirates have alsways won, this time they won. O ye and all you kids just face the music. I have and so have many others. You pirated your games and microsoft caught us!
Like i said to my friend. If they can create multiplayer worlds with amazing graphics with all that technology. How easy is it for them to read the hardware of your xbox?
Anyway roll on the new firmware!
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Flipmode1
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12. November 2009 @ 06:03 |
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Yeah i was just checking about the achievements as i saw this what some guy wrote:
"If you want to maintain your gamerscore after your xbox being banned this is what you should do.
1. your hard drive will never recover your GT so might as well sell it.
2. Buy a few 250 MB card slots.
3. Buy a new 360.
4. Keep your modded 360.
5. on your new 360 recover your GT on the 250 MB
6. put the slot card into the modded xbox (OFFLINE)
7. get all the burned games Acheivements
8. put your slot on your new xbox. (online)
9. after connected then remove the slot card."
Thought it was too good to be true :-)
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12. November 2009 @ 06:24 |
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Originally posted by Flipmode1:
Yeah i was just checking about the achievements as i saw this what some guy wrote:
"If you want to maintain your gamerscore after your xbox being banned this is what you should do.
1. your hard drive will never recover your GT so might as well sell it.
Stopped right there, as someone who is going to give people advice should really make sure the first step isn't completely false.
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Kelewan
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12. November 2009 @ 07:15 |
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Originally posted by Petries:
Originally posted by Flipmode1:
Yeah i was just checking about the achievements as i saw this what some guy wrote:
"If you want to maintain your gamerscore after your xbox being banned this is what you should do.
1. your hard drive will never recover your GT so might as well sell it.
Stopped right there, as someone who is going to give people advice should really make sure the first step isn't completely false.
Yeah Petries is right. Flipmode1 if you attempt to play burned games on a banned system them move that hdd/mem unit to a non banned system it will give you a corrupt warning.
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Flipmode1
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12. November 2009 @ 07:27 |
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Yeah thanks for the responses guys.
I'm in two minds whether to keep the banned one to play single player games and new console for online. Obviously going to have same profile with different info though. Or i will sell the banned one and just get a new one and start from where i left off when last online.
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