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Secret ACTA Internet chapter leaked: Global DMCA and 'three strikes'
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article published on 4 November, 2009
The highly secretive Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which has been drafted under non-disclosure agreements and given to different nations with watermarks in case they choose to "leak" it, has had parts of its Internet chapter leaked this week, and is already facing massive criticism from mostly everyone who has read its scary bylines.
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Tarsellis
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5. November 2009 @ 10:34 |
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Originally posted by Morreale:
This is disgusting. Are there people actually for this?
Yes, the media and all the politicians in their pockets. You are to be crushed! You really need to vote out every incumbant you can. They are your enemy! Then not buy any media. See how long their money holds up.
I agree, get rid of them all. R or D they're the same thing, and they're all our enemy.
Unfortunately the seeds of destruction have already started to sprout, and there's no round-up for this mess. (Un)Fortunately our government and our economy are so large and entwined with the world, the time from brain death to the body being cold and recognized as dead are far separated. The USD is dead as the world reserve currency. Our debt load and action being taken by Herr Obama (and taken by Herr Bush) and the rest of the world have guaranteed that.
This ends one of two ways. The USA becomes a subservient state to the UN or whatever global governing organization we settle on using the UN as the host body. Or we have a second American Revolution, and we begin to claw our way out of this grave. Either way the way of life we knew for the past few decades is gone.
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mikecUSA
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5. November 2009 @ 10:35 |
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Look. These billionaires you chastise make their money off of who? Us. So enslaving us is not their goal. If we become slaves they see no net gain whatsoever and the world, the place they like to "play" in, would become this dark dreary place lacking fun and excitement.
They do not wish to see this world of thrills an dspills come to an end any more than we do.
So get some perspective. Yes the DMCA and all it's frankenstein progeny are wrong-headed ideas, but they are not evil, just dangerous and annoying.
An entreprenurial spirit creating an alternate internet, now that is clever and interesting. A sort of "co-op" type internet, funded by users, perhaps using some telephone line system for transmission.
Or a powerline type system. Anything more would cost way to much, and the last thing we need is more wireless stuff clogging up the electrical air we pass through minute by minute.
The new DMCA will not fly. It makes no sense whatsoever and it would be very hard to enforce for ISp's and even harder for Governments to monitor. It's a rediculous idea.
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Tarsellis
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5. November 2009 @ 10:38 |
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Originally posted by Mrwirez:
It is nice when ISP's, the MPAA, and the RIAA can write their own legislation. Assholes! Being kicked off of your internet provider without a right to defend yourself is not Freedom. We need Net Neutrality and the FCC to step in.
"Net Neutrality" and the FCC to step in are the LAST thing we need. That will kill the internet, cause a tiered system, and end peering between ISPS. What we need are for the MPAA and RIAA to be shut down and all laws they've influenced struck from the books.
Do you really think the ISPs want to have to pay to peer with eachother, pay to install and implement all those required legislations into their networks, and want to lose paying customers because they're forced to act as cyber-cops?
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5. November 2009 @ 10:38 |
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Originally posted by rtlinux:
I am always drawn back to my days in school whe I read the book 1984.
Lets just re-release it and call it 2010 or Obama's world.
This is completely unacceptable. The government owns the auto industry and now it wants to control the virtual world. I knew we were in for it when O was elected for office.
I say we completely replace our current legislation with actual people, people who will understand, listen and actually do what we the people who elected them in the first place want done. Isn't that the whole purpose of government by the people for the people?
This has nothing to do with Obama. Get your head out of your ass.
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5. November 2009 @ 10:39 |
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Originally posted by mikecUSA:
Look. These billionaires you chastise make their money off of who? Us. So enslaving us is not their goal. If we become slaves they see no net gain whatsoever
With all due respect you need to do some research. They don't need any more wealth, they have more trillions than they know what to do with. I won't say any more, we don't allow politics here. Please do some research.
Mrwirez - Without me being political or commenting on your reply i say the same to you.
edit- This is Andre's article so it's up to him what flies in here, even my comments. All i can say is that we don't do politics here.
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Tarsellis
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5. November 2009 @ 10:49 |
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Originally posted by mikecUSA:
Look. These billionaires you chastise make their money off of who? Us. So enslaving us is not their goal. If we become slaves they see no net gain whatsoever and the world, the place they like to "play" in, would become this dark dreary place lacking fun and excitement.
I do not chastise the billionaires, I have nothing wrong with the rich. I'm not sure about you, but I've never sold services to, or been employed by a homeless man. Frankly, I want more people to have more money, 'cos then they can afford to pay me more for my services.
I said the super-class who are not, and cannot be affected by any individual entity in a lower class. Perhaps you forgot, but Egyptian kings were plenty rich with the majority of the population being slaves. There are a very limited number in the super-class, and they strive for only more power and control.
Originally posted by mikecUSA:
Or a powerline type system. Anything more would cost way to much, and the last thing we need is more wireless stuff clogging up the electrical air we pass through minute by minute.
That's what the first internet was. That's how it became so decentralized and successful. Those in power fear that though because an educated populace is a strong populace that is difficult to enslave.
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The new DMCA will not fly. It makes no sense whatsoever and it would be very hard to enforce for ISp's and even harder for Governments to monitor. It's a rediculous idea.
This isn't an American DMCA, this is a GLOBAL one. And our government is doing their d@mndest to to turn American sovereignty over to a global governing agency. Both legislative and economical.
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5. November 2009 @ 10:53 |
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C'm on guys and girls...This is not the United Nations, "the World Government", Obama, FOX News, Democrats vs. Republicans... This was initiated by a bunch of middle aged white people running the MPAA, RIAA, and other 'panicky desperate' organizations, desperate and panicked because they are losing their turf (making insane amounts of money off artists' back with old technologies like CDs, DVDs and other "Jewel Box Items"). Even if they pass this stupendously stupid mechanism in favor of their greedy Status Quo, they will lose. Half the world is downloading 'illegaly' because it MAKES SENSE. Let them try to reverse that trend. Not a chance. If they cut off my internet, they cut their own throats. There were Bootleg vinyl albums, then came Napster, then came torrent files, the next step will be even more dramatic. Do not fear. It is going to be interesting.
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5. November 2009 @ 10:59 |
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siber - Please see my first reply in this article, the ACTA thing is part of something else.
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5. November 2009 @ 11:01 |
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Originally posted by siber:
C'm on guys and girls...This is not the United Nations, "the World Government", Obama, FOX News, Democrats vs. Republicans... This was initiated by a bunch of middle aged white people running the MPAA, RIAA, and other 'panicky desperate' organizations, desperate and panicked because they are losing their turf (making insane amounts of money off artists' back with old technologies like CDs, DVDs and other "Jewel Box Items"). Even if they pass this stupendously stupid mechanism in favor of their greedy Status Quo, they will lose. Half the world is downloading 'illegaly' because it MAKES SENSE. Let them try to reverse that trend. Not a chance. If they cut off my internet, they cut their own throats. There were Bootleg vinyl albums, then came Napster, then came torrent files, the next step will be even more dramatic. Do not fear. It is going to be interesting.
You are right about that. This is an information war. And this is just one more battle within that war. Politicians will back this because it gives them power to shut down speech they don't like. And while possibly promoted by certain powers behind the scenes, but those specific parts of the legislation have been written by greedy morons in the industry who want to maintain a monopoly through legislation and can not see past their nose to another way to make money.
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5. November 2009 @ 11:02 |
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edit- This is Andre's article so it's up to him what flies in here, even my comments. All i can say is that we don't do politics here.
Free reign here as long as it is within reason. I have many thoughts on this bill but most have already been stated. I also do not think this passes in this form. Many ISPs want nothing to do with cutting pirates off, but then there are the clowns like AT&T and Comcast...
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5. November 2009 @ 11:19 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
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edit- This is Andre's article so it's up to him what flies in here, even my comments. All i can say is that we don't do politics here.
Free reign here as long as it is within reason. I have many thoughts on this bill but most have already been stated. I also do not think this passes in this form. Many ISPs want nothing to do with cutting pirates off, but then there are the clowns like AT&T and Comcast...
Ontop of that it means they would have to increase their infrastructure dramatically to be able to police this while at the same time kicking off their subscribers. Its impossible fir them to maintain a business that way the only outcome is bankruptcy.
And there's no way that these ass hats haven't considered that which makes me wounder what their real goal is.
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5. November 2009 @ 11:55 |
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Originally posted by canuckerz:
Ontop of that it means they would have to increase their infrastructure dramatically to be able to police this while at the same time kicking off their subscribers. Its impossible fir them to maintain a business that way the only outcome is bankruptcy.
And there's no way that these ass hats haven't considered that which makes me wounder what their real goal is.
If they can bail out the banks and auto industry, they can bail out the ISP's who will be following their marching orders. ISP Stimulus, The Information Freedom Stimulus, whatever they want to call it, will be following this bill if it is passed. Of course, just like any other stimulus, we'll be footing the bill for the next couple of generations. Paying for a government spanking. Paying for our our ball and chain.
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5. November 2009 @ 12:39 |
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This is just a part of the agenda of the new world order who want to impose a socialist state like the one from Hitler, the corporations (mostly the bankers) want absolute power, this is why they promoted Obama , he is the most socialist of all, we have to stop them .
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5. November 2009 @ 12:48 |
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What do you expect?
We're dealing with the sort of people who think the net really ought to be nothing more than another pushy glorified retail outlet direct in your home.
Notions of community and sharing are anethma to that sort.
They don't care that sharers actually spend more money on legitimate retail goods, all they see are the 'try before buys' (especially those items we try and don't want) sharers get and they have convinced themselves each and every one would otherwise be a sale for maximising their profit margins.
If they get their way I will step back and go for 0.5mb broadband.
Anything more will be pointless.
Watching them wriggle over copyright and attempting to monitise everything on it is simply one over-extended tragic farce.
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5. November 2009 @ 13:23 |
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Bass the buck to the larger group so you don't have to work for your money. Ah modern government aint it grand....
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elitepunk
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5. November 2009 @ 13:40 |
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if they actually think that will work they are deluding themselves. It sounds retarded to me because what are they doing then, looking at everyone 24/7 to see ''oh this person just uploaded copyrighted kiddie porn [LOL] to rapidshare!" lets flag him! like what? what kind of staff would this take to monitor everone's use of the internet...not even the most powerfull machines could monitor your internet completely. if this is what they are meaning, its a big phat joke. plus there is always encryption and port tunnels, proxys the list goes on.good luck new world order, y0u can suck my cack. also the only way they can achieve this would be to throw everone in jail and make it a crime to 0wn a puter.
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siber
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5. November 2009 @ 13:58 |
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On the one hand this kind of thread makes me feel better, on the other hand I cannot relate to statements like "This is just a part of the agenda of the new world order who want to impose a socialist state like the one from Hitler, the corporations (mostly the bankers) want absolute power, this is why they promoted Obama , he is the most socialist of all, we have to stop them".
That just sounds so stupid to me. Rebel777 and others hopefully are in Kindergarten and will eventually grow up. We have to be optimistic, it beats crying.
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5. November 2009 @ 14:01 |
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You're entitled to your opinion but this 40 year old doesn't need to do much growing up. Research is the name of the game here..
Originally posted by siber:
We have to be optimistic, it beats crying.
Indeed. Optimisim doesn't cancel out or replace factual research however, the two things are not mutually exclusive.
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siber
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5. November 2009 @ 14:09 |
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creaky, I was only referring to being optimistic about people in Kindergarten eventually growing up, being able to have rational and informed thoughts and being able to express those in a language understood by users of this forum.
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5. November 2009 @ 14:24 |
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I was going to put some long lengthy statement here but i deleted it all in short for some of my idea's.
Governments have their way, end up controling all aspects of your life as we know it will be like: Equilibrium
swine flu go get your vaccine other wise you you may parish. sure that might be true but in a dream i recently just had. everyone ran out and got that damn N1H1 vaccine. they thought it saved trillions, but a few months into my dream and Boom Head Shot! shit turned into: I am Legend.
Sure you can vote to help fight for your rights, but this is the last unregulated ways for people to discuss their views and opinions, take that away and what do we have. nothing other hand written letters / smoke signals. so i think we need a few damn right good people handle shop. cause they are trashing our rights, Trashing our rights. hack the planet, HACK THE PLANET!! lol.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvwK-3cQ6gE
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5. November 2009 @ 14:31 |
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Originally posted by empulse:
Originally posted by xnmalletx:
God damn it! This is America and we aren't gonna tolerate this. I don't know about anyone else around the world but there is gonna be a serious backlash when this gets enforced. Damn liberal democrats trying to take away our freedoms and rights. This once great country is seeing some dark days ahead of her.
Go shit in your hat. Liberals? Who are the pro corporate SOBs in this country that think corps should be able to do and say anything? If anything -- to be fair-- it is both. Both take money from the aholes that want to impose this.
No it is not both. It is the Democrats and the RINO's. The rino's are just as bad. Where is the true conservative values to stop them from spending?
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5. November 2009 @ 14:39 |
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Originally posted by xnmalletx:
Originally posted by empulse:
Originally posted by xnmalletx:
God damn it! This is America and we aren't gonna tolerate this. I don't know about anyone else around the world but there is gonna be a serious backlash when this gets enforced. Damn liberal democrats trying to take away our freedoms and rights. This once great country is seeing some dark days ahead of her.
Go shit in your hat. Liberals? Who are the pro corporate SOBs in this country that think corps should be able to do and say anything? If anything -- to be fair-- it is both. Both take money from the aholes that want to impose this.
No it is not both. It is the Democrats and the RINO's. The rino's are just as bad. Where is the true conservative values to stop them from spending?
The 2 main parties only care about themselfs and what they can get from society, japan booted out their main 2 parties by choosing a 3rd party, we need to do the same at the very least they will have to work harder to keep things in status quo mode.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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5. November 2009 @ 14:43 |
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Originally posted by elitepunk:
if they actually think that will work they are deluding themselves. It sounds retarded to me because what are they doing then, looking at everyone 24/7 to see ''oh this person just uploaded copyrighted kiddie porn [LOL] to rapidshare!" lets flag him! like what? what kind of staff would this take to monitor everone's use of the internet...not even the most powerfull machines could monitor your internet completely. if this is what they are meaning, its a big phat joke. plus there is always encryption and port tunnels, proxys the list goes on.good luck new world order, y0u can suck my cack. also the only way they can achieve this would be to throw everone in jail and make it a crime to 0wn a puter.
In all practical sense, it can't be implemented full scale. But all it takes is a handful of hard examples to incite fear.
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5. November 2009 @ 15:07 |
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''does fear rule egypt, or do i?''-the ten commandments lol don't ask me why i thought of that.
you know what i love about yahoo.ca polls? first it was [ a couple weeks ago]...will you....
A. GET THE FLU SHOT
B. GET NO SHOTS WATSOEVA [no duh]
C. GET BOTH THE H1N1 SHOT AND THE REGULAR FLU SHOT
D. JOIN A MILITA [lol]
But now we get these unanswerable ones like for example...
Should this NHL team get the shot first?...
A. YES THEY ARE HIGH RISK
B. NO, THEY SHOULD STAND IN LINE LIKE THE REST OF US
SIGH...looks like the fear mongering and propaganda worked, and got the sheep out from their dens, or at least up here in canada, home of the post apocalyptic wondering zombie i am legend freaks [or soon to be] and gues what the shots contain mercury, i'll kill you before you stab me with that poison. i promise.
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siber
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5. November 2009 @ 16:08 |
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What planet did I land on? Are some of us really having this discussion about Flu Shots? What are people smoking in America? Or are these symptoms of rabies?
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