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Secret ACTA Internet chapter leaked: Global DMCA and 'three strikes'
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article published on 4 November, 2009
The highly secretive Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which has been drafted under non-disclosure agreements and given to different nations with watermarks in case they choose to "leak" it, has had parts of its Internet chapter leaked this week, and is already facing massive criticism from mostly everyone who has read its scary bylines.
Under the new ACTA, the United States and ... [ read the full article ]
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warriorp
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5. November 2009 @ 16:12 |
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lol at the politicians and other organizations(nwo pushers) being on the losing side. their fate has been written a long time ago.
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jimmurray
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5. November 2009 @ 16:16 |
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Well Guys, This three strikes thing is ALREADY here. I am on MediaCom Cable Internet and about three months ago they cut me off for three days PUNITIVELY because according to them, a person on my cable hook-up had downloaded a pirated copy of a recent theatrical release movie. They claim to have sent me a warning six months ago when another download 1st offense happened with another movie download from my connection (I have a wireless modem and two hardlines and a laptop connected most of the time. I use wep2 protection.. This prompted them to cut off my cable for 3 days and they stated "ANY OTHER VIOLATION WILL RESULT IN MY BEING PERMANENTLY CUT OFF". IS THIS NOT THREE STRIKES?? I called the MediaCom second tier technician to complain when they initially cut me off and they faxed me a form that basically was an admission by me that I had committed a violation and concluded with a promisary signature that if another violation occures then I would be permanently cut off WITHOUT THE ABILITY TO APPEAL. MediaCom tech stated that if they dont cut me off then they face million dollar fines for allowing illegal downloads. I of course was forced to agree to this as I rely on my high speed connection and my only other option was to have ATT phone install a land line so I could go on phone modem. I should also add that MediaCom is my cable TV service, Phone service and internet provider. SUX eh. got me over the proverbial barrell since there is NO OTHER SERVICE AVAILABLE here. So as you can see THREE STRIKES IS HERE, at least on MediaCom.
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mcmenace
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5. November 2009 @ 17:52 |
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Originally posted by xnmalletx:
God damn it! This is America and we aren't gonna tolerate this. I don't know about anyone else around the world but there is gonna be a serious backlash when this gets enforced. Damn liberal democrats trying to take away our freedoms and rights. This once great country is seeing some dark days ahead of her.
Go shit in your hat. Liberals? Who are the pro corporate SOBs in this country that think corps should be able to do and say anything? If anything -- to be fair-- it is both. Both take money from the aholes that want to impose this.
No it is not both. It is the Democrats and the RINO's. The rino's are just as bad. Where is the true conservative values to stop them from spending?
Correct me if I'm wrong but with W and repubs running the show, this was a non-issue. Obama gets in, first thing he did was "freeze" medicare COLA's for the next 2 years, last year needy folks got 4.8%. now he is sticking his nose in our internet rights. Is that what he referred to as "change"? He's busy ruining the internet while Iran builds nukes. He's nothing more than a puppet, has practically no experience and was only elected because he was a novelty, certainly not on his record, and now all of you that voted for him are forcing the rest of us to pay the price and dance to his tune. Doesn't he have anything better to do (like run a country) than mess with our rights?? I wonder who is really calling the shots. He's a joke, unfortunately the jokes on us. 4 and out.
I agree with DVDBack23 the ISP's are on our side and will fight this as hard or harder than "the people". This will drag on and hopefully something meaningful will happen and it will be put on the back burner.
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pspbarry
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5. November 2009 @ 18:27 |
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lets say the big business men were to compensate the IPS for every account lost, soon we would have to obay the rule or get kicked off line! its a means to an end.........dark days are coming as i said last week when the rule came out for the uk, a lot of these comments to me seem to go to deep, anger without reason, the fact is the music, game and film industry are losing money BIG TIME and are crying all over the government to sort this out, its been coming for a long time this.
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siber
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5. November 2009 @ 18:29 |
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This discussion has degenerated into a silly argument about Bush vs Obama, Republicans vs. Democrats in the US. Very tiresome and fruitless. It is supposed to be about ACTA, a worldwide plan to limit internet access to a large number of us based on our download choices.
So Obama has no track record, you feel W.Bush had one? Republicans are champions of a totally free internet while signing into law the Patriot Act, restricting the rights of all US Citizens? This is so old by now...Americans, AfterDawn is an international website NOT based in the US and most members have long lost interest in hystrionic babble about Republicans or Democrats.
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mcmenace
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5. November 2009 @ 19:27 |
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Originally posted by siber:
This discussion has degenerated into a silly argument about Bush vs Obama, Republicans vs. Democrats in the US. Very tiresome and fruitless. It is supposed to be about ACTA, a worldwide plan to limit internet access to a large number of us based on our download choices.
So Obama has no track record, you feel W.Bush had one? Republicans are champions of a totally free internet while signing into law the Patriot Act, restricting the rights of all US Citizens? This is so old by now...Americans, AfterDawn is an international website NOT based in the US and most members have long lost interest in hystrionic babble about Republicans or Democrats.
"creaky, I was only referring to being optimistic about people in Kindergarten eventually growing up, being able to have rational and informed thoughts and being able to express those in a language understood by users of this forum."
Yeah, like you for example. You can get up off your knees now.
Afterdawn isn't US-based, I'm willing to wager most members are.
Sounds like you have a problem with US. Have a chat with your grandpap, ask him what he thinks about USA.
Obama is a puppet. Bushh left the internet alone, the patriot act has no meaning on any US citizen unless they have something to hide. No terrorism since W. cleaned things up. BYW no such 3-strike laws exist here. We are not restricted in any way, and doubt it ever happens because politicos want to ride the gravy train.
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jimmurray
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5. November 2009 @ 19:33 |
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WHOA, hold on now, THREE STRIKES does exist here in the States, read my earlier post before saying it wont happen here, IT ALREADY HAS!
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5. November 2009 @ 19:41 |
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I think we should demolish the whole Left wing right wing BS. the only choice we really have is do we want to get it up the pooper by the left or by the right.
if corporations really want to run America, i say let them they wont last 5 years.
and as i always say
we the people will be forced to Fight for everything that is America, once again. we killed are brothers in arms once whats to say we wont do it again.
there are about 380,000 active service personnel. there are 3 million civilians with the same capacity as the US militia. who do they think will win.
at any rate this is nothing new, ISPs have had the ability to Monitor all traffic since the 1990's. the only difference is the Government had to give the Ok.
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5. November 2009 @ 19:45 |
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Originally posted by jimmurray:
WHOA, hold on now, THREE STRIKES does exist here in the States, read my earlier post before saying it wont happen here, IT ALREADY HAS!
I'll be honest bro, I have never heard of your ISP. Where do they serve?
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mcmenace
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5. November 2009 @ 20:01 |
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Originally posted by jimmurray:
WHOA, hold on now, THREE STRIKES does exist here in the States, read my earlier post before saying it wont happen here, IT ALREADY HAS!
Then it's time for you to change ISP's. Thats THEIR policy, not the law. Just like satellite limits you to d/l only so many gigs per month, thats THEIR call, not the law. If you sign on, you're bound to THEIR rules. Read their policy before signing on. Big difference.
No such thing with my ISP and I expect them to put up a big fight against it, already have read where they are against it for reasons described above.
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5. November 2009 @ 20:19 |
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its ironic that google Ad shows Obama & ammo on this page.
if Obama doesn't like my Ammo that has enough lead to poison a Rhino then we have a problem, so what if it breaks the Geneva Convention.
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jimmurray
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5. November 2009 @ 23:20 |
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Like I said, Only other option I have is Satellite I guess, since MediaCom is THE ONLY game in town. We live in a very rural county and up to about 20 years ago we got two tv channels (fuzzy ones) and if you wanted to pay for the line run and pole installation you got telephone. When cell service first came in I had a bag phone (remember those?) Now we have the luxury of a cable co. that offers the world. For my combined services I pay around $200. mo. I just can't afford to pay for ATT phone (only service they offer here) but I guess they have a version of satellite, but even still I would need to do better than dial-up. So as you can see they have me by the short hairs. I should add that when I signed on to the internet package there was no clause about movie piracy or anything similar, this came about sometime after I entered the contract w them. Since I am a disabled Nam vet I cant afford the legal battle to test their policy (unless it becomes absolutely necessary)So there is a three strike law that they control (perhaps LAW is the wrong descriptive) and I am forced to abide by it as long as I want the internet at any reasonable speed.
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jimmurray
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5. November 2009 @ 23:27 |
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I should add, our County is Lake County California. We are about 2 1/2 hours out of San Francisco and the same from Sacramento. We are in a valley surrounded by inactive volcano (ever heard of the Steam Wells? harvest steam for electricity around here) Anyway thats why we have such sh#$$% services here. Am planning a move North to Eureka probably next year and I will download as many movies as I can just to see if they will cut me off before I go.... LOL
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6. November 2009 @ 00:07 |
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I say we stop using ISP's and just form ourselves into a GIANT LAN =)
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lubricant
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6. November 2009 @ 02:08 |
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Originally posted by engage16:
I say we stop using ISP's and just form ourselves into a GIANT LAN =)
Haha yeah me and my buddy were just talking about that. i was saying (local jurisdiction applies of course) that the FCC prolly wouldnt like it too much. :D
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 05:30 |
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mcmenace, it is obviously always futile to try to convince anybody to change their opinion, especially when it involves politics on the internet. I, therefore realize this entry is mostly an exercise in keeping my English current.
But I always do hope the arguments remain civilized. I will consider getting off my knees, as you suggest. Whatever that recommendation represents, I hope it wasn't intended to offend.
My grandfather was extremely grateful for your grandfather sacrificing himself on the battlefields of Europe in WW2. He was there, wasn't he? On the other hand I don't think he'd care much about US Politics today.
He would wonder why people in the American media are always yelling and screaming, about all the hostility and bullying. It won't get you anywhere. In a world of 7 billion people, 300 million Americans may have some difficulties with that type of behavior. Even your grandfather would have his doubts.
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Mez
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6. November 2009 @ 07:39 |
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The persons that think monitoring can't be done need a sanity check.
It is being done as we speek and I assume this is world wide. I stopped P2P almost 6 months ago but continue to use Peerguardian. A am still being pinged when I surf the web. Maybe that is because they never got in but I don't think so. I am also in a country where that will not help and is probably illegal. I suspect this is common through out the world. If the media spent billions of dollars on bribes, spending a billion on monitoring is reasonable. You can do a great deal with a billion dollars. I bet they have a bounty for new IP addresses. Companies build their own systems and techniques to hunt you down.
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lubricant
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6. November 2009 @ 08:21 |
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Originally posted by Mez:
The persons that think monitoring can't be done need a sanity check.
aww, why you gotta be like that? you sound defeated. while i agree with that statement it is negative.
[Quote]I bet they have a bounty for new IP addresses. Companies build their own systems and techniques to hunt you down.
well, pleez believe that non-corporate entities have ways to evade the hunt.
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Mez
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6. November 2009 @ 10:54 |
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The persons that think monitoring can't be done need a sanity check.
aww, why you gotta be like that? you sound defeated. while i agree with that statement it is negative.
[Quote]I bet they have a bounty for new IP addresses. Companies build their own systems and techniques to hunt you down.
well, pleez believe that non-corporate entities have ways to evade the hunt.
Defeated, no I am like Custer at the last stand thinking I can take them.
There are ways to evade but non really practical. They do not track something like a news group using SSL but they monitor the down loads of the info files. So they have a real good idea what you are doing.
I think you are the ostrich with his head in the sand. The media must have spent billions of dollars on this but they see it as a coupe de grass. It probably is not but they are making governments responsible for the monitoring. That is VERY smart on their part. They spend billions to get hundreds of billions of service. Why do you think YOU have a chance unless you have a few billion to spend fighting them? The only thing you can do is boycott the media. Do not give them any money to do evil. The politicians will probably get canned anyway. The way the world is going any elected official should be worried.
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mcmenace
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6. November 2009 @ 11:21 |
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Originally posted by siber:
mcmenace, it is obviously always futile to try to convince anybody to change their opinion, especially when it involves politics on the internet. I, therefore realize this entry is mostly an exercise in keeping my English current.
But I always do hope the arguments remain civilized. I will consider getting off my knees, as you suggest. Whatever that recommendation represents, I hope it wasn't intended to offend.
My grandfather was extremely grateful for your grandfather sacrificing himself on the battlefields of Europe in WW2. He was there, wasn't he? On the other hand I don't think he'd care much about US Politics today.
He would wonder why people in the American media are always yelling and screaming, about all the hostility and bullying. It won't get you anywhere. In a world of 7 billion people, 300 million Americans may have some difficulties with that type of behavior. Even your grandfather would have his doubts.
Your'e right about opinions, they are like a-holes, everybody has one. Thanks for the comment on my uncle (yes, my dad's brother) sacrificing himself in the name of freedom. Again, you hit the nail on the head when his generation fought for freedom, not for the pocket-lining jokers calling themselves politicians that attend drunken party's every night and are completely out of touch with reality anyway, such as it is.
The only way I see it is to vote them out of office, of course that doesn't guarentee the nextgen won't do the same, even if enough got booted that it hit home.
What's wrong with a referendum?? They are supposed to represent the people, let the people speak on an issue as important as this. Won't happen.
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Mez
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6. November 2009 @ 12:05 |
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The most amazing election I ever saw was when we eliminated the 14 crooks in our local office. The only incumbent to survive was the only honest one. We voted in 14 bigger crooks. They are waiting in line to rape the public. The only way we can fix it is to start burning them to the stake! If we burned the worst 100 the rest would fall in line.
I am afraid something like that will happen in the next decade.
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 12:14 |
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I'm very grateful to your uncle. The war was before my time but I do recognize Americans of WW2 did fight and sacrifice for Europe's freedom. That does not mean America today should expect the same gratitude to last forever. I'm sure you've long forgotten about Lafayette - a Frenchman - helping the US in its Independence War against the British. With good reason.. We all have to prove ourselves over and over. We cannot live off the glory of our ancesters.
ACTA was defeated in the European Parlament last night. At least in Europe "it ain't gonna happen".
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6. November 2009 @ 12:44 |
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Um...just HOW has it come to Democrats v Republicans when if you go to the links I provided in my first reply, it clearly shows the author of this bill is a DEMOCRAT. Therefor Republicans are not even in this fight so it is only a fight against an elitist rich democrat bastard that thinks he knows whats better for you then you do.
Anyone trying to make it anything more then this is just a trouble maker.
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 12:57 |
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Daniel_1 :"A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes."
We are on a thread concerning ACTA. Please, shed some light about the connection between your point about "Democrats", the above bill and ACTA.
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mcmenace
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6. November 2009 @ 13:16 |
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Originally posted by siber:
I'm very grateful to your uncle. The war was before my time but I do recognize Americans of WW2 did fight and sacrifice for Europe's freedom. That does not mean America today should expect the same gratitude to last forever. I'm sure you've long forgotten about Lafayette - a Frenchman - helping the US in its Independence War against the British. With good reason.. We all have to prove ourselves over and over. We cannot live off the glory of our ancesters.
ACTA was defeated in the European Parlament last night. At least in Europe "it ain't gonna happen".
True, but when Msr LaFayette went home he brought the idea of freedom w/ him. Then it spread to all the way to Louis IV's head. Comparing 1 man to millions of GI's is a bit of a stretch. There IS a lot to learn from the past mon amis. If we weren't pushed to the limit by the Brits, maybe no Revolution. Can't live off their glory, but CAN learn from their mistakes and / or successes.
Glad to hear you guys rejected ACTA. If the Europeans won't have it, it's hopefully gonna fade away here as well. Like I said, if this is a true democracy, have a referendum. Give the people their voice, instead of the fat cat supposedly representing us in DC telling us whats best for us when they are clueless when it comes to the real world.
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