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Secret ACTA Internet chapter leaked: Global DMCA and 'three strikes'
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article published on 4 November, 2009
The highly secretive Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which has been drafted under non-disclosure agreements and given to different nations with watermarks in case they choose to "leak" it, has had parts of its Internet chapter leaked this week, and is already facing massive criticism from mostly everyone who has read its scary bylines.
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 13:26 |
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mcmenace, all in all I'm not going to argue with you on this. I believe we all have good intentions on AfterDawn. If we just listen to each others point of view, we've got a chance. Peace.
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6. November 2009 @ 14:05 |
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Some of you still don't get it. It does not matter who is in power unless they are not crooks. In the US elections the media was the second biggest supporter of the elections, only the bankers paid more. Remember the trillions of dollars they got for that? They paid off both sides even though Obama is very beholding to the media. Opra was his first big supporter. I am sure this happened through out the world since we are seeing these laws commong up all over the world.
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6. November 2009 @ 14:20 |
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mcmenace
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6. November 2009 @ 16:07 |
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Originally posted by siber:
mcmenace, all in all I'm not going to argue with you on this. I believe we all have good intentions on AfterDawn. If we just listen to each others point of view, we've got a chance. Peace.
I respectfully disagree.
If we just listen it will be business as usual and nothing will change. What chance is there for change by just listening
At some point you have to stop listening and start acting. Do your part, however seemingly small, to try and bring about the changes desired. The one's pushing for this abominable bill robbing us of our rights are the one's who need to listen. We are the one's who need to be heard. It's OUR right's being threatened.
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6. November 2009 @ 16:53 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Daniel_1 :"A bill to ensure the continued free flow of commerce within the United States and with its global trading partners through secure cyber communications, to provide for the continued development and exploitation of the Internet and intranet communications for such purposes, to provide for the development of a cadre of information technology specialists to improve and maintain effective cybersecurity defenses against disruption, and for other purposes."
We are on a thread concerning ACTA. Please, shed some light about the connection between your point about "Democrats", the above bill and ACTA.
And exactly how hard would it have been for you to go to page one and just LOOK?! Here is your answer for exactly WHO started this ACTA crap!
"You are just finding out about this now???? This bill was introduced by a DEMOCRAT (sorry empulse)Sen Rockerfeller (who's family has more money then God) and one RINO Sen Olympia Snow (who votes with Democrats 98% of the time) So while a few of you may not like it, it is the DEMOCRATS that are trying to start this. With everything I read about the democrat I wonder just how someone can think it is ok for the US Government to control every aspect of your life from cradle to grave.
You can read the whole bill here
http://www.opencongress.org/bill/111-s773/show
It has been read twice and referred to a committee and that is just Senate speak for it being sent to die there as it will never make it onto the committee's agenda to be given a hearing nor will it be allowed to come out from the committee for a full vote as the twit Rockerfeller was told in no uncertain terms that IF this was brought to the floor he would get exactly two votes, his and Snows; and not to be counting on Snows. As well as any damages done because of this bill to a citizen would place him in the rare position of being able to be sued by any citizen who was damaged by same, AND he would not receive any attorneys provided by the US Government, only provided by his wallet. If you call his office, they will tell you that they want nothing to do with this bill as he has received a load of shit from people demanding to know WTF he is doing/thinking!
If you want to contact him, here is his address and webpage
http://rockefeller.senate.gov/
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531 Hart Senate Office Building
Washington, DC 20510
Phone: 202-224-6472
Fax: 202-224-7665
let the games begin!"
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6. November 2009 @ 17:28 |
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.23% of our private banking and business in the US has gov't money.. Some estimate it's as high as .75% Your hero St. Ronnie (aka - Captain Puddin head) held our heads under water @ 10% unemployment for 3+ yrs. Stepped in an fired workers who wanted better pay and better working conditions. You didn't scream an cry then.. you cheered. Our last Admin drove this country into a ditch, wiped their ass with the constitution, created LOYALTY OATHS, CREATED FREE SPEECH ZONES -- and you did nothing. You are a fake. You are a wanna be. *bleep* phony concern troll.
So die in a fire *bleep*. Gov't wants to control everything? You are an enigma wrapped in a dog turd. First you say "gubment" is the most incompetent thing ever created, then you scream an cry that it's trying to rule your life, with grand conspiracies.. secret muslim anti american plots. Do us all a favor you uneducated ass:
Kill your kids.
kill your wife.
then kill yourself.
You ideologues are what is wrong with this country -- you are so *bleep* ignorant that you believe every word outta some Mormon extremists mouth -- "He's on TV -- it MUSt be true!!" Good for you *bleep*.
You are EXACTLY the same as the Taliban. You think you can make your own reality, to fit your sad narrow ideology. And then you want to impose it on the rest of us. You don't understand what you are saying - you are uneducated and dangerous.
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empulse - Watch the language
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6. November 2009 @ 17:43 |
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Originally posted by creaky:
empulse - Watch the language
its creaky the bleep machine
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 18:20 |
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mcmenace, what exactly are you planning to do?
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 18:21 |
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Daniel_1, what exactly are you planning to do?
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siber
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6. November 2009 @ 18:47 |
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Empulse, you're talking to me? You're talking to me!?
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6. November 2009 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Daniel_1, what exactly are you planning to do?
Do? About what? If you mean this bill I have already contacted all the House members from my state as well as the two Senators and very politely told them that they would be recalled if they voted for this bill if it ever made it out of committee and was sent to the full Congress for a vote. And God help them if they were on this committee and voted to let it pass out for a floor vote as the voters in my state would recall them so fast that all that would be in DC is an after image. We DO NOT tolerate such crap in the Great Lakes Area...and our US Congress reps know it.
Just to give you an example, an electric company here tried to get the PUCO to allow them to send us two CFL light bulbs and then charge us $21.00 for each of them. Once the uproar died down, the PUCO and the electric company was threatened with federal jail terms as well as massive fines and a few other things. The PUCO reversed their decision so blinkin fast that the voted against it BEFORE the voted for it and the electric company now is the proud owner of over 250,000 CFL light bulbs in a warehouse that they cannot get rid of nor can they pass the costs onto the customers for them.
As I said, we DO NOT tolerate any funny stuff from our elected reps nor our businesses...not if they want to stay that way.
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6. November 2009 @ 22:10 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Empulse, you're talking to me? You're talking to me!?
Empulse was probably talking to me Siber, as I showed what morons his favorite political party was.
Oh and BTW Empulse, get your history facts correct. It is a violation of federal law for federal officers or medical/hospital workers to strike as well as Airline Traffic Controllers unless they make sure that EVERY plane is on the ground before they strike. The morons that Ronald Regan fired were fired NOT because they went on strike, these idiots were fired BECAUSE THEY LEFT OVER 20,000 PLANES IN THE FREAKIN AIR FILLED WITH PASSENGERS!!!! They were damn lucky they were not charged with attempted murder or they would have been charged if one person had been hurt or killed because they walked off their jobs! THAT is why they were fired and THAT is why very few of them ever were rehired. You really need to pull your head out of the MoveON.org/Daily Kook's/Huff'n'puff's arse and actually look at the REAL world.
If you cannot or will not understand that simple fact, then I really pity you as you are too far gone to reason with and are ready for a trip to the rubber room.
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6. November 2009 @ 23:40 |
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If you cannot or will not understand that simple fact, then I really pity you as you are too far gone to reason with and are ready for a trip to the rubber room.
aw common there not even made with rubber anymore.
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7. November 2009 @ 00:33 |
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Originally posted by empulse:
Originally posted by xnmalletx:
God damn it! This is America and we aren't gonna tolerate this. I don't know about anyone else around the world but there is gonna be a serious backlash when this gets enforced. Damn liberal democrats trying to take away our freedoms and rights. This once great country is seeing some dark days ahead of her.
Go shit in your hat. Liberals? Who are the pro corporate SOBs in this country that think corps should be able to do and say anything? If anything -- to be fair-- it is both. Both take money from the aholes that want to impose this.
No it is not both. It is the Democrats and the RINO's. The rino's are just as bad. Where is the true conservative values to stop them from spending?
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7. November 2009 @ 01:56 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Empulse, you're talking to me? You're talking to me!?
Empulse was probably talking to me Siber, as I showed what morons his favorite political party was.
Oh and BTW Empulse, get your history facts correct. It is a violation of federal law for federal officers or medical/hospital workers to strike as well as Airline Traffic Controllers unless they make sure that EVERY plane is on the ground before they strike. The morons that Ronald Regan fired were fired NOT because they went on strike, these idiots were fired BECAUSE THEY LEFT OVER 20,000 PLANES IN THE FREAKIN AIR FILLED WITH PASSENGERS!!!! They were damn lucky they were not charged with attempted murder or they would have been charged if one person had been hurt or killed because they walked off their jobs! THAT is why they were fired and THAT is why very few of them ever were rehired. You really need to pull your head out of the MoveON.org/Daily Kook's/Huff'n'puff's arse and actually look at the REAL world.
If you cannot or will not understand that simple fact, then I really pity you as you are too far gone to reason with and are ready for a trip to the rubber room.
Wow. Didnt know that about Reagan as it was a bit before my time. Despite whatever faults he had, I think he was one of the best leaders the country ever had.
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7. November 2009 @ 08:23 |
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Originally posted by empulse:
Originally posted by xnmalletx:
God damn it! This is America and we aren't gonna tolerate this. I don't know about anyone else around the world but there is gonna be a serious backlash when this gets enforced. Damn liberal democrats trying to take away our freedoms and rights. This once great country is seeing some dark days ahead of her.
Go shit in your hat. Liberals? Who are the pro corporate SOBs in this country that think corps should be able to do and say anything? If anything -- to be fair-- it is both. Both take money from the aholes that want to impose this.
No it is not both. It is the Democrats and the RINO's. The rino's are just as bad. Where is the true conservative values to stop them from spending?
they are at the end of my rifle
Be very careful how you say that soulglow. While I know you were joshing, some of the federal marshals and secret service may not and it is a federal felony to threaten a member of Congress with bodily harm. So while you are reasonably safe here, please do NOT make that statement in public as I dont want to have to see your posts coming from a federal prison
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SoulGLOW
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now now while I appreciate the forward thinking concern for my well being i was merely alluding to the FACT that nothings gonna change until we put some real fear into our gov't. Everybody's so damn scared but nobody wants to fight. i read somewhere in the last few days that we fight by voting people out of office. i laughed not cuz its funny but cuz its so ironic how uneducated the educated are. George Washington didnt fight tyranny by voting...he FOUGHT!!! They walked in FEET of snow with no shoes for gods sake!! And it was still snowing. Just to intercept some German mercs that king george had hired to put down our founding fathers for standin up to his bullying. They kicked thier ass cuz of that sacrifice. We need to kick some ass now so these bitches know we mean business...otherwise we might as well just knowingly and willingly give ourselves over to foreign powers as slaves. we are practically already at that point now.
And i'm not just talkin Democrats here either. If you go against my Constitution i got a problem with you.
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SoulGLOW - people won't take your comments seriously peppered with lazy and annoying text speak..
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8. November 2009 @ 08:19 |
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I agree, if you go against my constitution or try and make laws based on what someone thinks is there instead of what is actually there, I have a problem with them as well. What I was speaking about is not your post, but your statement of "a barrel of a gun" in the same sentence or post about federal congressional members. As I said people here in this thread know you are joshing...but we cannot say the same thing about people outside of this thread and there recently was a woman in Washington State that was placed under federal watch for 1 year just for saying that her Congress member should be pistol whipped like they did to some crooks back in the wild west.
All I am saying is please be careful of how you phrase what you mean. My grandpa used to tell me how they would actually look these politicians right in the face and tell them they should have their butts kicked and all it got them was a dirty look. Try that now and you will have a nice long prison sentence. Sigh...glad grandpa is gone as the US now is NOT what it used to be and it would tear him up to see how this country has changed so much....and not for the better.
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
All I am saying is please be careful of how you phrase what you mean. My grandpa used to tell me how they would actually look these politicians right in the face and tell them they should have their butts kicked and all it got them was a dirty look. Try that now and you will have a nice long prison sentence. Sigh...glad grandpa is gone as the US now is NOT what it used to be and it would tear him up to see how this country has changed so much....and not for the better.
Indeed, people should look up what the Patriot Act defines as domestic terrorism..
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8. November 2009 @ 19:06 |
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The writer of the article lists no source?
I´ve been reading AD for a long time, and I trust it as a source of information - but that doesn´t mean you should start ignoring basic journalistic principles. Not with news articles as sensitive as this.
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Originally posted by Ghostdog:
The writer of the article lists no source?
I´ve been reading AD for a long time, and I trust it as a source of information - but that doesn´t mean you should start ignoring basic journalistic principles. Not with news articles as sensitive as this.
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8. November 2009 @ 21:37 |
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Originally posted by siber:
mcmenace, what exactly are you planning to do?
What am I planning to do personally??
Already wrote my "representative" stating my points of view, then vote the idiots out of office, look for petitions, any little bit I can to try and stop this. I'm just a grain of sand on a big beach, but I have a VOICE and will be heard. There are small things each of us can do that will eventually add up, besides talk talk talk and whine. That wont accomplish a goddam thing. Sit around the PC and cry about how bad things are gonna be is a waste of time, at least TRY and do something about it. That's about all one man CAN do. What about yourself?
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9. November 2009 @ 04:47 |
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Creaky needs to realize that some people arent great typers. Textspeak?! not even close Mr. Mod-o-roboto-rater. He also needs to know what kinds of laws require a constitutional amendment to be legal apparently... but then again damn near the whole world let that misnomer of a (PATRIOT) bill have teeth.
Tell u what. I aint scared. not one bit. Guess George Washington was a terrorist in your eyes huh.
MCMenace has the right idea. But i bet everyone of you pays the bribe when u get a ticket or go to jail for driving w/out License, no tabs or plates or insurance. Not me. I fight it & i win cuz i have higher law on my side. All laws in this land are subservient to the US Constitution. You will probably have to appeal it, but once these judges and lawyers get slapped around by a few decisions from on high they fall in line with their oaths of office. Just don't go blaming anybody but yourselves for when this stuff gets worse. You'll be saying "Damn i wish i had fought more" cuz you'll be just like a football team that waits till the 4th quarter to start playing hard only to lose by a few points in the end. I'm fighting everyday by refusing to play their games anymore. And before any of you start in to me bout this i suggest you at least get some copies of our constitution. Get lots of em and give em out like Halloween candy
Anyway Daniel_1 I'm glad that you at least understand my position... scratch that... OUR position.
Heres some txtspk for creaky...BTW the reason these Corporations have so much power is because there was a landmark superior court case that said corporations can legally be defined as a person. thats why they seem to have more rights than an individual...well that and cuz they've got more $$$$ than you and I.
Anyway no hard feelings to NE1...sorry dude i just couldn't resist...your only comment to me was about my typing. SHEESH!!
We're all in this fight together. Remember that. Brothers in arms. peace out
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