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Secret ACTA Internet chapter leaked: Global DMCA and 'three strikes'
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article published on 4 November, 2009
The highly secretive Anti-Counterfeiting Trade Agreement, which has been drafted under non-disclosure agreements and given to different nations with watermarks in case they choose to "leak" it, has had parts of its Internet chapter leaked this week, and is already facing massive criticism from mostly everyone who has read its scary bylines.
Under the new ACTA, the United States and ... [ read the full article ]
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Daniel_1
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24. November 2009 @ 21:15 |
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My point exactly Creaky...if they want you they will get you and there is nowhere you can hide. When I was in the military back in the 1980's they had sats that could count the dimples on a golf ball from 350 miles into space and could zoom in to tell you what color bra Posh Spice was wearing at any given moment. And there is no way you are going to tell me that they have not improved it by now.
Here is a spooky thought, a fact but a thought non-the-less...ALL the computer programs and devices you see used in Will Smiths/Gene hackman's Enemy of the State and Diane Lane's untraceable movies...actually exist!!! They tell you this in the credits when you read what Federal Spook agency they give credit to and they give you just enough info to scare you because if you really knew what was available to them...you would never leave your home again. And with the GPS for the cells, they can now track you by your mobile (cell phone) to withing 5 feet of your present location no matter if it is on or off. All it has to do is be able to receive a signal and your cooked.
So we will go down fighting, but 1984 just happened a few years after the original date.
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moremony
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29. November 2009 @ 07:18 |
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hey , Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at SPAM removed. If the Goverment that have SPAM removed and Man Power that them wherever; Can't Control 13 Millions illegals......do you really think this People can Controll +80 Millions of us ?
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Daniel_1
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29. November 2009 @ 10:40 |
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Originally posted by moremony:
hey , Really? Tell that to the MPAA and the RIAA and to the people who's lives they have ruined and then try and come back here with a straight face and say that again. But dont be a bit surprised when you are laughed at SPAM removed. If the Goverment that have SPAM removed and Man Power that them wherever; Can't Control 13 Millions illegals......do you really think this People can Controll +80 Millions of us ?
Read the above statement dude. If they can read a license plate from 250 miles up and zoom in and tell what color Posh Spice's bra is today...are you honestly going to sit there and try and state they cannot trace you from any site they want to look at, right back to your home? Tell you what. Start selling illegal downloads and make no secret of your doing it and see how fast it is going to be before you get a knock on the door.
As for the 13 million illegals, they know EXACTLY where they are! The US Government knows that 99.9% of them are all in Democrat governed areas like California and Washington state and New York and so on as the reps there know they will vote for them and as such protect them. Dont believe me...then look at the NEW stink about Acorn. Acorn has been found to be registering illegals in Florida-New York-California-Arizona-New mexico Oregon-Washington State, for drivers licenses and voting rights. I mean get real...did you ACTUALLY think that the Gov of Washington State was legally elected when even left wing poll workers out there have freely admitted that there were votes for this twit coming from dead people (one poll worker admitted that she had a wife vote for her husband even though the husband died three weeks BEFORE the election, and the vote was for the democrat...or that King County had more registered voters then people who actually LIVE in the county?~! Yet the Democrat controlled State Supreme Court allowed the election to stand.)
SO dont try that "they dont know where the illegals are" with me bud, as there is way too much proof to the contrary.
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29. November 2009 @ 14:26 |
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Be afraid, be very afraid. It is true that "Big Brother" is intruding more and more into our personal lives. I am not sure it is quite as bad in the US - as of yet - as it is suggested by Daniel_1, but there is reason for concern.
ACTA would eliminate Due Process (Holding the government subservient to the law of the land, protecting individual persons from the State)and I don't think it will pass muster yet. It is just scary that it is even being considered in a country that champions "Human Rights and Equality For All" in its Constitution.
When I asked people what they planned to actually DO about things, I apparently irritated some folks. I was not suggesting anything else than that we all needed to remain vigilant, participate in the voting process and let our elected officials know we were expecting them to abide by the laws in place or else...
Unfortunately, I have no reason to believe that the majority of the American public has a clue about what is happening in their own backyard. I see little else than obsession with money, television and sports. Hopefully, one of these days that will change.
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Daniel_1
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29. November 2009 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Be afraid, be very afraid. It is true that "Big Brother" is intruding more and more into our personal lives. I am not sure it is quite as bad in the US - as of yet - as it is suggested by Daniel_1, but there is reason for concern.
ACTA would eliminate Due Process (Holding the government subservient to the law of the land, protecting individual persons from the State)and I don't think it will pass muster yet. It is just scary that it is even being considered in a country that champions "Human Rights and Equality For All" in its Constitution.
When I asked people what they planned to actually DO about things, I apparently irritated some folks. I was not suggesting anything else than that we all needed to remain vigilant, participate in the voting process and let our elected officials know we were expecting them to abide by the laws in place or else...
Unfortunately, I have no reason to believe that the majority of the American public has a clue about what is happening in their own backyard. I see little else than obsession with money, television and sports. Hopefully, one of these days that will change.
They DONT have a clue, that is why when you mention stuff like this they look at you with a blank look or a look of disbelief. Or they say "My government would not do that." I had, and still have; a Cosmic Top Secret Security Clearance from the US Government while I was in the Military and some of the things I could tell you would turn your hair white and make you so paranoid that it is not funny. For instance one that I can talk about is a program that allows them to intercept ANY electronic traffic and add to it-rewrite it-delete it-or do whatever they want with it. And you would not know anything was done. How do you think they know exactly what was being said in e-mails from the Muslum "charity" and its contacts in the Middle East, enough to know to freeze it's assets. And England-Russia-China-Canada-and a host of other countries have the same ability...it is called Echelon. If you are in Alaska, go look. The Antenna field is within 150 miles of Anchorage. HAARP is up by Nome Alaska. And they have yet another Antenna field in Europe and in Australia for Echelon. The US Government is on Internet 5 and it has a 5TBPS (and yes you read correctly 5 TERABYTE PER SECOND transfer rate. The major universities and medical colleges have Internet 3 and that is HDTV quality picture in real time. As such they can have a neurosurgeon in NY operating on a patient in LA by observing and instructing the Surgeon in REAL TIME! If any of you have watched the TV show NCIS and they are in the room with the wall to wall monitor, that ACTUALLY EXISTS and was modeled after one that is located in the US Pentagon on sub level 4.
You can say I am paranoid, but it is not paranoia if you know EXACTLY what your claiming exists....actually does exist! I mean get real here...if NASA can show you pictures of galaxy's 200 million light years away and show you what they look like, or know for a fact there are planets orbiting suns outside our solar system or can look at Jupiter and tell you the weather there, you think for one second they cannot tell if you shaved this morning or not??
And with all this power, you know that somewhere there is a person that is going to use it to his/her/their advantage. So dont believe that it is this bad if that helps you make it to sleep each night, and while I am not picking on you and I hope you dont take it that way...but dont try and convince me that it is not this bad as like I said if I could tell you half of what I know and not violate my security clearance and spend the rest of my life in prison, I would make you so paranoid that you would never leave your home.
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siber
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29. November 2009 @ 16:15 |
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Daniel_1, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying. The technology to keep an eye on anybody and everybody is there. It will only get even more sophisticated and scary.
What matters at this point, I think, is that all this information not be used inappropriately. As long as the public doesn't react at all and remains apathetic, we can be guaranteed that it WILL be used for purposes that have no place in a true Democracy "by the People for the People". I am hopeful but not optimistic. Clearly, you are not either.
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Daniel_1
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29. November 2009 @ 18:37 |
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Originally posted by siber:
Daniel_1, I have no reason to doubt what you are saying. The technology to keep an eye on anybody and everybody is there. It will only get even more sophisticated and scary.
What matters at this point, I think, is that all this information not be used inappropriately. As long as the public doesn't react at all and remains apathetic, we can be guaranteed that it WILL be used for purposes that have no place in a true Democracy "by the People for the People". I am hopeful but not optimistic. Clearly, you are not either.
I am not picking on you and if that is the way it came out, you have my apologies. I just wanted everyone to know exactly how dangerous this bill is if we let it continue and dont fight it. Even if we dont win, at least we went down swinging.
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30. November 2009 @ 05:58 |
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
...there is nowhere you can hide. When I was in the military back in the 1980's they had sats that could count the dimples on a golf ball from 350 miles into space and could zoom in to tell you what color bra Posh Spice was wearing at any given moment. And there is no way you are going to tell me that they have not improved it by now.
So you are saying that the only way to avoid detection with such a system is to be in one of the programed "blind spots" like Area 51 or Camp David? If this is the case, I think I know where Osama is hiding.
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30. November 2009 @ 09:47 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
...there is nowhere you can hide. When I was in the military back in the 1980's they had sats that could count the dimples on a golf ball from 350 miles into space and could zoom in to tell you what color bra Posh Spice was wearing at any given moment. And there is no way you are going to tell me that they have not improved it by now.
So you are saying that the only way to avoid detection with such a system is to be in one of the programed "blind spots" like Area 51 or Camp David? If this is the case, I think I know where Osama is hiding.
Dude, you are NOT listening. Sat photos already tell you what Camp David and Area 51 looks like, in fact here is one for Area 51
http://gmaps.tommangan.us/groom_lake.html
and here is one for Camp David
http://cryptome.org/eyeball/david-03-07/david-03-07.htm
And these are just 1st Generation cameras, they are up to 10th Generation now.
So what exactly were you saying about these two sites?? ;-)
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edited this out as the latest draft, according to a leak summarized on the Boing Boing website doesn't show anything different to the initial AD article.
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4. December 2009 @ 07:28 |
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"Full prohibitions on breaking DRM,"
The EU has already announced that 'portability' is a key issue. That is, that once you've bought your music track or film, you MUST be able to play it on ANY device you own.
From documents I've seen* this seems to be one of the EU's bargaining chips - allow 'portability' and we'll support all the other stuff (three strikes and out etc.)
But making all media 'portable' would seem to spell the end of DRM.
(* can't remember the site, but there is an EU site which deals with legal issues surrounding the media industry. It's written for/by lawyers - very heavy stuff - but it's very 'interesting')
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Originally posted by AIPO:
"Full prohibitions on breaking DRM,"
The EU has already announced that 'portability' is a key issue. That is, that once you've bought your music track or film, you MUST be able to play it on ANY device you own.
From documents I've seen* this seems to be one of the EU's bargaining chips - allow 'portability' and we'll support all the other stuff (three strikes and out etc.)
But making all media 'portable' would seem to spell the end of DRM.
(* can't remember the site, but there is an EU site which deals with legal issues surrounding the media industry. It's written for/by lawyers - very heavy stuff - but it's very 'interesting')
I dont doubt what your saying is true..but if this is the case then the EU is not enforcing this as all you need to do is look at Ipod and see that any music bought from iPod is encrypted so you can only play it on an iPod. That is a far cry from being portable....and yet the EU allows these to be sold in the countries they are suppose to represent?
Dont know about you but that sorta confuses me....
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