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10. November 2009 @ 17:13 |
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Originally posted by Inalbis:
Originally posted by mikeman3:
In M$'s terms of service they say they can remove a user of xbox live priviledges at any time without having to provide reason. or something along them lines. So basically you wouldnt stand a chance with that lawsuit lol
I´m sorry but that is a very passive and naive interpretation. Just because its written somewhere? C´mon.
The guy that told me that when I press "I have read and accepted" in the EULA it means I have read and accepted... No it dont! It means I have pressed a button! Thats not a contract!
In my country to sign a contract you need to SIGN it, with two witnessess, and got youre signature confirmed by a special government organ(yeah that last part is stupid, just so they make money). Even so, it may not be valid, as you may have no capacity to sign it, could have been coerced, fooled, or some other things.
So, what if a minor had pressed the "i accept" button in the EULA? minors dont have legal capacity to sign off contracts you know? What if i let the conttroler on the floor, went for a bite and my dog passed by and pressed the button? Is that a valid contract??? Because it was written?
A press of a button is just a press of a button. Not a written contract.
But I don´t really care anymore, cause if you are right, I can get rich right now and never need to advocate again. See? By youre logic, I´ll do as microsoft and get rich, so I can buy as many original I want:
You, reading this. By filling youre lungs the next time you are confirming that you had read this post and get obligated to give me all youre money and possessions.
Ok, i´ll collect later this weak. And you have no chance in a lawsuit, because of course, it´s written, and I can prove you have read this and inhaled.
You may have a point on that press of a button thing. You've agreed to the shops T&Cs but have you really accepted MS's?
Someone would have to go through the T&Cs with a fine toothcomb but would love to see it happen.
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Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by jimm1432:
or if you really can't handle it go to PC world buy a console go home swap it with your console and return it saying you don't want it. they never check consoles and it will be returned to M$ for a replacement if found not working.
Bang M$ will get there own banned console back to them.
We don't entertain such suggestions here.
No you guys only help the pirating communitee, you guys would NEVER entertain such ideas as defruading a large company would you??
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10. November 2009 @ 21:11 |
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Originally posted by danny2740:
Originally posted by Memnock:
You people who are saying go to PS3 are acting like Sony wouldn't ban you from PSN if the PS3 was modable. Of course they would if had a modded PS3 and you're kidding yourself if you think otherwise.
PS3 is modable just need a blue ray recorder and they aint cheap!!!
Where's your proof on that? There's been plenty of rumors and lies on that sure, but no proof of a mod except playing PS2 games on a BC model.
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Originally posted by WJ99:
Originally posted by Inalbis:
Originally posted by mikeman3:
In M$'s terms of service they say they can remove a user of xbox live priviledges at any time without having to provide reason. or something along them lines. So basically you wouldnt stand a chance with that lawsuit lol
I´m sorry but that is a very passive and naive interpretation. Just because its written somewhere? C´mon.
The guy that told me that when I press "I have read and accepted" in the EULA it means I have read and accepted... No it dont! It means I have pressed a button! Thats not a contract!
In my country to sign a contract you need to SIGN it, with two witnessess, and got youre signature confirmed by a special government organ(yeah that last part is stupid, just so they make money). Even so, it may not be valid, as you may have no capacity to sign it, could have been coerced, fooled, or some other things.
So, what if a minor had pressed the "i accept" button in the EULA? minors dont have legal capacity to sign off contracts you know? What if i let the conttroler on the floor, went for a bite and my dog passed by and pressed the button? Is that a valid contract??? Because it was written?
A press of a button is just a press of a button. Not a written contract.
But I don´t really care anymore, cause if you are right, I can get rich right now and never need to advocate again. See? By youre logic, I´ll do as microsoft and get rich, so I can buy as many original I want:
You, reading this. By filling youre lungs the next time you are confirming that you had read this post and get obligated to give me all youre money and possessions.
Ok, i´ll collect later this weak. And you have no chance in a lawsuit, because of course, it´s written, and I can prove you have read this and inhaled.
You may have a point on that press of a button thing. You've agreed to the shops T&Cs but have you really accepted MS's?
Someone would have to go through the T&Cs with a fine toothcomb but would love to see it happen.
This is a very good thread. To all the people who laugh at this. I have contacted my states attorney generals office and told them what M$ is doing. I stated to them that Microsoft has banned my console for a violation of their TOS. She asked what Microsoft had actually done to my Xbox, and i told them that they had sent more or less a virus to disable my online features permanently. Instead of banning me from their XBL service they have damaged private property. I was informed M$ can not do that as they do not own your hardware. I can guarantee that some ignorant person will state that if you agreed to the TOS you accept the punishment. No, in the first quote he says that Microsoft's TOS is not legally binding for the simple fact you don't sign for it. Taken from wiki, a TOS is "rules" that usually are legally binding. Wikipedia also states "Most organizations reserve the right to restrict a user's access to the service if they violate the terms in the agreement." So clearly Microsoft has the legal right to ban your gamer tag. That's because their service their rules. In-turn that would be restricting you from using XBL for violation of TOS. No way what so ever do these rules for XBL pertain to the console it self. They only specify what is allowed and whats not for Xbox Live. In the United States possession is 9/10ths of the law. M$ may be entitled to their software since they wrote it. Although to me that seems skeptical, like a famous author can come to your house and rip a page out of his book since he wrote it. On the other hand, you own your console. So i modified my DVD drive to play backups of licensed titles i own. Which by the way is legal to a certain extent. So far i know you can backup your games but bypassing security measures is prohibited. This is the area i am somewhat uncertain about. Why can i not backup my own game for insurance purposes. Surely it's so M$ can make a buck, of coarse I'm referring to not just one dollar but millions. My outlook on this whole dilemma are the bans exceeding 600,000 people. That is outrageous, Microsoft is clearly trying increase Christmas sales trough the roof. 600k+ gamers out of 360's would raise M$ sales roughly 60 million dollars from now until X-Mas. If Microsoft is going to monopolize the consumers for something such as the loose term modding. They better expect a fight, and i don't care what law firm and who their lawyers are. What i care about is justice for their wrong doing. Punishing people because they would rather back their games up in case of any damage vs buying a new game. Right now the difference of a backup and original is 58 dollars. It is $60 for a new release and $2ea DVD+R DL. So think about how much money M$ is making. Call of Duty:4 soled approximately 14 million copies, now do the math. $14,000,000*$60= $840,000,000. Do you honestly think it took even 1/10 of that to create the game. Absolutely not, and at least 25% of this money goes to M$. If you think they have a legitimate reason so blatantly pillage and rape you for your money then go ahead and buy overprice games. I mean it is bad enough we pay for something that should be free such as XBL. If Live were free i could understand the reasons of the retail price of a game, like PS3. So to conclude my contribution i encourage people to file claims through your attorney generals office. Lastly, to all the modders out there, keep on moddin them Xbox 360's.
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11. November 2009 @ 00:43 |
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enjoy wasting time with your 10 dollar an hour attorney vs M$ thousand+/hour.
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11. November 2009 @ 00:48 |
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Originally posted by popeshag:
This is a very good thread. To all the people who laugh at this. I have contacted my states attorney generals office and told them what M$ is doing. I stated to them that Microsoft has banned my console for a violation of their TOS. She asked what Microsoft had actually done to my Xbox, and i told them that they had sent more or less a virus to disable my online features permanently. Instead of banning me from their XBL service they have damaged private property. I was informed M$ can not do that as they do not own your hardware. I can guarantee that some ignorant person will state that if you agreed to the TOS you accept the punishment. No, in the first quote he says that Microsoft's TOS is not legally binding for the simple fact you don't sign for it. Taken from wiki, a TOS is "rules" that usually are legally binding. Wikipedia also states "Most organizations reserve the right to restrict a user's access to the service if they violate the terms in the agreement." So clearly Microsoft has the legal right to ban your gamer tag. That's because their service their rules. In-turn that would be restricting you from using XBL for violation of TOS. No way what so ever do these rules for XBL pertain to the console it self. They only specify what is allowed and whats not for Xbox Live. In the United States possession is 9/10ths of the law. M$ may be entitled to their software since they wrote it. Although to me that seems skeptical, like a famous author can come to your house and rip a page out of his book since he wrote it. On the other hand, you own your console. So i modified my DVD drive to play backups of licensed titles i own. Which by the way is legal to a certain extent. So far i know you can backup your games but bypassing security measures is prohibited. This is the area i am somewhat uncertain about. Why can i not backup my own game for insurance purposes. Surely it's so M$ can make a buck, of coarse I'm referring to not just one dollar but millions. My outlook on this whole dilemma are the bans exceeding 600,000 people. That is outrageous, Microsoft is clearly trying increase Christmas sales trough the roof. 600k+ gamers out of 360's would raise M$ sales roughly 60 million dollars from now until X-Mas. If Microsoft is going to monopolize the consumers for something such as the loose term modding. They better expect a fight, and i don't care what law firm and who their lawyers are. What i care about is justice for their wrong doing. Punishing people because they would rather back their games up in case of any damage vs buying a new game. Right now the difference of a backup and original is 58 dollars. It is $60 for a new release and $2ea DVD+R DL. So think about how much money M$ is making. Call of Duty:4 soled approximately 14 million copies, now do the math. $14,000,000*$60= $840,000,000. Do you honestly think it took even 1/10 of that to create the game. Absolutely not, and at least 25% of this money goes to M$. If you think they have a legitimate reason so blatantly pillage and rape you for your money then go ahead and buy overprice games. I mean it is bad enough we pay for something that should be free such as XBL. If Live were free i could understand the reasons of the retail price of a game, like PS3. So to conclude my contribution i encourage people to file claims through your attorney generals office. Lastly, to all the modders out there, keep on moddin them Xbox 360's.
So much typing for nothing. Did you also inform the A.G. that in order to play your backup (which you can legally have only as long as you own the original, make the backup yourself, and do not remove or circumvent the copyright protection) that you had to use an unauthorized, edited verison (iXtreme) of MS's code (which they solely own) in order to bypass the standard copyright protocol required to boot the backup? Let us know what they say about that.
And I won't even get in to how some of you guys keep saying "we're forced to do this" and "MS forces us to do that".
Gaming is a luxury, not a necessity of life. No one is forcing nothing on you. You don't like their rules, walk away.
Also, post a link to the fact that there has been 600,000+ consoles banned.
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Originally posted by jimm1432:
Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by jimm1432:
or if you really can't handle it go to PC world buy a console go home swap it with your console and return it saying you don't want it. they never check consoles and it will be returned to M$ for a replacement if found not working.
Bang M$ will get there own banned console back to them.
We don't entertain such suggestions here.
No you guys only help the pirating communitee, you guys would NEVER entertain such ideas as defruading a large company would you??
man............shut up.. why are u even registered..i hate biggots..u all piss me off..go take ur closed mindedness to the *bleep* mall and piss off teenagers trying to shoplift.. stop mouthing off to people who could probably make your computer just stop working from a couple lines of code.
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
This is a very good thread. To all the people who laugh at this. I have contacted my states attorney generals office and told them what M$ is doing. I stated to them that Microsoft has banned my console for a violation of their TOS. She asked what Microsoft had actually done to my Xbox, and i told them that they had sent more or less a virus to disable my online features permanently. Instead of banning me from their XBL service they have damaged private property. I was informed M$ can not do that as they do not own your hardware. I can guarantee that some ignorant person will state that if you agreed to the TOS you accept the punishment. No, in the first quote he says that Microsoft's TOS is not legally binding for the simple fact you don't sign for it. Taken from wiki, a TOS is "rules" that usually are legally binding. Wikipedia also states "Most organizations reserve the right to restrict a user's access to the service if they violate the terms in the agreement." So clearly Microsoft has the legal right to ban your gamer tag. That's because their service their rules. In-turn that would be restricting you from using XBL for violation of TOS. No way what so ever do these rules for XBL pertain to the console it self. They only specify what is allowed and whats not for Xbox Live. In the United States possession is 9/10ths of the law. M$ may be entitled to their software since they wrote it. Although to me that seems skeptical, like a famous author can come to your house and rip a page out of his book since he wrote it. On the other hand, you own your console. So i modified my DVD drive to play backups of licensed titles i own. Which by the way is legal to a certain extent. So far i know you can backup your games but bypassing security measures is prohibited. This is the area i am somewhat uncertain about. Why can i not backup my own game for insurance purposes. Surely it's so M$ can make a buck, of coarse I'm referring to not just one dollar but millions. My outlook on this whole dilemma are the bans exceeding 600,000 people. That is outrageous, Microsoft is clearly trying increase Christmas sales trough the roof. 600k+ gamers out of 360's would raise M$ sales roughly 60 million dollars from now until X-Mas. If Microsoft is going to monopolize the consumers for something such as the loose term modding. They better expect a fight, and i don't care what law firm and who their lawyers are. What i care about is justice for their wrong doing. Punishing people because they would rather back their games up in case of any damage vs buying a new game. Right now the difference of a backup and original is 58 dollars. It is $60 for a new release and $2ea DVD+R DL. So think about how much money M$ is making. Call of Duty:4 soled approximately 14 million copies, now do the math. $14,000,000*$60= $840,000,000. Do you honestly think it took even 1/10 of that to create the game. Absolutely not, and at least 25% of this money goes to M$. If you think they have a legitimate reason so blatantly pillage and rape you for your money then go ahead and buy overprice games. I mean it is bad enough we pay for something that should be free such as XBL. If Live were free i could understand the reasons of the retail price of a game, like PS3. So to conclude my contribution i encourage people to file claims through your attorney generals office. Lastly, to all the modders out there, keep on moddin them Xbox 360's.
So much typing for nothing. Did you also inform the A.G. that in order to play your backup (which you can legally have only as long as you own the original, make the backup yourself, and do not remove or circumvent the copyright protection) that you had to use an unauthorized, edited verison (iXtreme) of MS's code (which they solely own) in order to bypass the standard copyright protocol required to boot the backup? Let us know what they say about that.
And I won't even get in to how some of you guys keep saying "we're forced to do this" and "MS forces us to do that".
Gaming is a luxury, not a necessity of life. No one is forcing nothing on you. You don't like their rules, walk away.
Also, post a link to the fact that there has been 600,000+ consoles banned.
same with you because guess what M$ does not own the code..think about it..its a lite-on, hitachi, samsung, benQ drive....meaning they own the code..and microsoft just purchased the rights to use it.. but its a *bleep* .bin file..im sure somewhere there is an open source .bin for people to work on there own DL DVD drives. enough editing goes into those files that they couldnt substantially prove that the software wasnt individually written, beautiful thing about code is that certain lines do certain things... not like a note or a book..they all generally have the same code..and without actual proof that it was copied then modified..well good luck trying to get a court to spend thousands of dollars to try to drag a jury into it..not worth there time..could be a waste of money..really you all need to study a little bit of law, and programming before posting such dumbass remarks
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Originally posted by scr34m360:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
This is a very good thread. To all the people who laugh at this. I have contacted my states attorney generals office and told them what M$ is doing. I stated to them that Microsoft has banned my console for a violation of their TOS. She asked what Microsoft had actually done to my Xbox, and i told them that they had sent more or less a virus to disable my online features permanently. Instead of banning me from their XBL service they have damaged private property. I was informed M$ can not do that as they do not own your hardware. I can guarantee that some ignorant person will state that if you agreed to the TOS you accept the punishment. No, in the first quote he says that Microsoft's TOS is not legally binding for the simple fact you don't sign for it. Taken from wiki, a TOS is "rules" that usually are legally binding. Wikipedia also states "Most organizations reserve the right to restrict a user's access to the service if they violate the terms in the agreement." So clearly Microsoft has the legal right to ban your gamer tag. That's because their service their rules. In-turn that would be restricting you from using XBL for violation of TOS. No way what so ever do these rules for XBL pertain to the console it self. They only specify what is allowed and whats not for Xbox Live. In the United States possession is 9/10ths of the law. M$ may be entitled to their software since they wrote it. Although to me that seems skeptical, like a famous author can come to your house and rip a page out of his book since he wrote it. On the other hand, you own your console. So i modified my DVD drive to play backups of licensed titles i own. Which by the way is legal to a certain extent. So far i know you can backup your games but bypassing security measures is prohibited. This is the area i am somewhat uncertain about. Why can i not backup my own game for insurance purposes. Surely it's so M$ can make a buck, of coarse I'm referring to not just one dollar but millions. My outlook on this whole dilemma are the bans exceeding 600,000 people. That is outrageous, Microsoft is clearly trying increase Christmas sales trough the roof. 600k+ gamers out of 360's would raise M$ sales roughly 60 million dollars from now until X-Mas. If Microsoft is going to monopolize the consumers for something such as the loose term modding. They better expect a fight, and i don't care what law firm and who their lawyers are. What i care about is justice for their wrong doing. Punishing people because they would rather back their games up in case of any damage vs buying a new game. Right now the difference of a backup and original is 58 dollars. It is $60 for a new release and $2ea DVD+R DL. So think about how much money M$ is making. Call of Duty:4 soled approximately 14 million copies, now do the math. $14,000,000*$60= $840,000,000. Do you honestly think it took even 1/10 of that to create the game. Absolutely not, and at least 25% of this money goes to M$. If you think they have a legitimate reason so blatantly pillage and rape you for your money then go ahead and buy overprice games. I mean it is bad enough we pay for something that should be free such as XBL. If Live were free i could understand the reasons of the retail price of a game, like PS3. So to conclude my contribution i encourage people to file claims through your attorney generals office. Lastly, to all the modders out there, keep on moddin them Xbox 360's.
So much typing for nothing. Did you also inform the A.G. that in order to play your backup (which you can legally have only as long as you own the original, make the backup yourself, and do not remove or circumvent the copyright protection) that you had to use an unauthorized, edited verison (iXtreme) of MS's code (which they solely own) in order to bypass the standard copyright protocol required to boot the backup? Let us know what they say about that.
And I won't even get in to how some of you guys keep saying "we're forced to do this" and "MS forces us to do that".
Gaming is a luxury, not a necessity of life. No one is forcing nothing on you. You don't like their rules, walk away.
Also, post a link to the fact that there has been 600,000+ consoles banned.
same with you because guess what M$ does not own the code..think about it..its a lite-on, hitachi, samsung, benQ drive....meaning they own the code..and microsoft just purchased the rights to use it.. but its a *bleep* .bin file..im sure somewhere there is an open source .bin for people to work on there own DL DVD drives. enough editing goes into those files that they couldnt substantially prove that the software wasnt individually written, beautiful thing about code is that certain lines do certain things... not like a note or a book..they all generally have the same code..and without actual proof that it was copied then modified..well good luck trying to get a court to spend thousands of dollars to try to drag a jury into it..not worth there time..could be a waste of money..really you all need to study a little bit of law, and programming before posting such dumbass remarks
Do some research before replying. The drives are made for MS. Whether the firmware is owned by Hit, Sam, LO, or MS, it doesn't matter. The fact is they own it. Period. And the fact is the iXtreme firmware is that copyrighted code which has been edited without authorization in order to bypass the console's security protocol.
Your comments actually make you look worse than most of the know-it-all 12 year olds who come here ranting how it's all MS's fault and it's not fair.
Your acting like you have a law or programming background. Yet you think iX is some open-source code which is legal to use to circumvent copyright protection. That's just bad on your part.
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jimm1432 - My answer remains the same
scr34m360 - i didn't even read your comments, anything you might have said became of no consequence when you resorted to foul language and text speak
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Originally posted by scr34m360:
Originally posted by jimm1432:
Originally posted by creaky:
Originally posted by jimm1432:
or if you really can't handle it go to PC world buy a console go home swap it with your console and return it saying you don't want it. they never check consoles and it will be returned to M$ for a replacement if found not working.
Bang M$ will get there own banned console back to them.
We don't entertain such suggestions here.
No you guys only help the pirating community, you guys would NEVER entertain such ideas as defrauding a large company would you??
man............shut up.. why are u even registered..i hate biggots..u all piss me off..go take ur closed mindedness to the *bleep* mall and piss off teenagers trying to shoplift.. stop mouthing off to people who could probably make your computer just stop working from a couple lines of code.
wow and I'm the ''teenager''? not one of you on this site could stop my computer working with a few lines of code. don't be so ignorant I know best.
Whats the difference from stealing from hard working game coder/ GFX designer or PC world? Both are fraud and both are wrong you are a *bleep* hypocrite. There is no reason other then stealing game you would mod your console, You buy the game with a license for one end user not to copied for you and your house of people.
unless you can play on two xboxs at once alone? And no one give me crap about scratching discs because I have release games still in mint con because i look after my things and put it back in the damn box.
I have 2 xboxs one standard and one modded, that's alot of money they had from me and I haven't complained about the ban they are protecting there network.I only modded my console after the drive died on me, I reflashed it, then it worked.
I merely gave a suggestion that was was in line with your guys piracy ethics, just steal it.(never link it but encourage to use it) you don't need to have the gun in your hand to be accessories to murder :P
and you guys are still not getting the fact microsoft has not damaged your console in any way(You did that the day you flashed it) they have removed your xbox live privileges that means NXE, nxe doesn't come with moddable drive consoles. so that's a download same as updates, updates to games are only required to connect to xbox live so that is also taken from you.
your console goes back to what it could do out of the box if you didn't have Internet. or just take your hard drive off and put in just a mem card and it'll work no diffrent from a banned one, ie no NXE funtions.
If microsoft disable drive reading them you would be onto something but your just not, 600k banned and no news reports of microsoft going to court. do you think you guys are the first to think of it?
what happened with the wii's that get bricked? you update on a pal wii with ntsc game it'll brick your wii. It's the same deal you *bleep* with it, now it's your problem.
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jimm did you just completely ignore the other posts that got edited for language?
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To all of you who think that Microsoft has "modified or destroyed" your system, all bans and features that have been removed are server side as well as software side in your machine. If you really have such an issue with being banned and think you have a lawsuit against Microsoft then how about this. Microsoft has in no way at all destroyed your system they are nice enough to even allow you to still play your burned copies of games. If you want to complain so much why don't you take your so called "bricked" xbox 360 (which is still fully functional except for a few software add on's that make things nice for you) and program your own 360 OS using their hardware.. Take the years of hard work and millions of dollars of your own time and make your own operating system. Oh you can't? Well then suck it up and enjoy your offline games and stop complaining about software issues that were caused by you modifying your hardware, and violating their ONLINE terms of service.
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You know.... you want back at "THE BAN MAN"... go to wally world.. buy a new 360... swap internals.. take it back. get the loot back. Use up the rest of your live you payed for.(you might wanna format that HDD first)
in a sense it cost you $0 and "THE BAN MAN" Pays all. If there really is 600,000 Banned units, plus more RROD units, Someone gonna take a big hit in the pocket.The unit is old and played anyway.. mine isnt banned. but if it was what would i care.. i dont wanna pay to get cheated online anyway. I dont wanna pay the price for there HDD upgrade when other systems let you free upgrade theres to 500g for the price of the xbox 120G. We all have had fun with the machine for years... but now we are all starting to see how we were getting played.
Just my 2Cents
*edit by Moderator - ignore the fraudulent suggest re swapping internals*
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lmao acting like i have a programming background..hmm well lets see, i have my bachelors degree in computer programming from UAT so yeah i guess you can see where i "think" i have a background. and as for "copyrighted code", you cant copyright a whole script of code genius. like i said, beautiful thing about code is that the way it works, the same person can use the same code to make similar fw...have you edited the FW at all? or even opened up the source to see if there is a large similarity between iX and the original? because if so, well they u have violated the "copyright" and fall under the same category as the rest of us..and if not...well then you have no clue what you are talking about... and no..if microsoft didnt directly make the drive..then they have the rights to use it they DO NOT own the FW copyright..whoever manufactured the drive does.
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11. November 2009 @ 14:44 |
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Originally posted by scr34m360:
lmao acting like i have a programming background..hmm well lets see, i have my bachelors degree in computer programming from UAT so yeah i guess you can see where i "think" i have a background. and as for "copyrighted code", you cant copyright a whole script of code genius. like i said, beautiful thing about code is that the way it works, the same person can use the same code to make similar fw...have you edited the FW at all? or even opened up the source to see if there is a large similarity between iX and the original? because if so, well they u have violated the "copyright" and fall under the same category as the rest of us..and if not...well then you have no clue what you are talking about... and no..if microsoft didnt directly make the drive..then they have the rights to use it they DO NOT own the FW copyright..whoever manufactured the drive does.
So with this said, ixtreme is really nothing more then a personal upgrade you've done to your 360.
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11. November 2009 @ 15:41 |
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ix1.6 Samsung(banned), Samsung ix1.6(banned), Lite-on ix1.6(Still alive :), side note lite-on only runs original games,fw still undetectable.
(+[__]%)Sony PSP Phat 3.52m33
Apple Ipod Touch
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11. November 2009 @ 16:28 |
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how do you know that the drives came with the firmware already from the samsung/hitachi/liteon factory? it could be blank, and microsoft loaded their own firmware.
ps2: v7 scph-39001 - independence exploit - hdloader 0.8c - maxtor 300gb hdd
(+[__]%) psp slim ta-085v1: 6.60 PRO B10
wii (powered by bootmii/priiloader): 4.1u - d2x v10beta53-alt (base 56) - configurable usb loader v70r51/devolution r188 - wd scorpio black 7200rpm 320gig w/ ams venus ds2 enclosure
got a whole lot more to list . . .
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11. November 2009 @ 16:43 |
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11. November 2009 @ 18:10 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
By the way bhetrick you don't need to keep thinking we are all in the modding community for wrong doing. Also i found the link http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265-52.html
Please show me where I said that.
You don't specifically say that, although you claim to have a neutral standpoint in this discussion. Yet you insist on standing behind M$ and their rules. I am appalled at M$ for removing features i have purchased the console for regardless of their TOS. To revoke features from my private property they would have to have my consent which they did not!
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11. November 2009 @ 18:46 |
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Originally posted by popeshag:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
By the way bhetrick you don't need to keep thinking we are all in the modding community for wrong doing. Also i found the link http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265-52.html
Please show me where I said that.
You don't specifically say that, although you claim to have a neutral standpoint in this discussion. Yet you insist on standing behind M$ and their rules. I am appalled at M$ for removing features i have purchased the console for regardless of their TOS. To revoke features from my private property they would have to have my consent which they did not!
The only thing I stand behind are the facts. Plain and simple, each and every one of us here knew what we were getting in to when deciding to flash our console. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that I'm content with the current steps MS is taking against modders. Simply put; people are stealing from a business and they have every right to try and stop it.
Like I've said before, I have a neutral view. I'm sorry if you guys are upset that I'm not in here ranting how MS is wrong, my console is broke and useless, it's not my fault, etc, etc. like most of these other guys.
Hey, I do feel for those who've been banned, but I'm not going to shed a tear for them.
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11. November 2009 @ 18:50 |
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its kind of ridiculous but id be all about it! i was all about x360 until i got banned last week, then i bought a ps3 i dont wanna give them more money. Its all a marketing scheme im telling you guys if they ban the console ppl will go buy a new x360.
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11. November 2009 @ 19:05 |
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Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
Originally posted by bhetrick:
Originally posted by popeshag:
By the way bhetrick you don't need to keep thinking we are all in the modding community for wrong doing. Also i found the link http://news.cnet.com/8301-13772_3-10395265-52.html
Please show me where I said that.
You don't specifically say that, although you claim to have a neutral standpoint in this discussion. Yet you insist on standing behind M$ and their rules. I am appalled at M$ for removing features i have purchased the console for regardless of their TOS. To revoke features from my private property they would have to have my consent which they did not!
The only thing I stand behind are the facts. Plain and simple, each and every one of us here knew what we were getting in to when deciding to flash our console. I'm not saying, nor have I ever said, that I'm content with the current steps MS is taking against modders. Simply put; people are stealing from a business and they have every right to try and stop it.
Like I've said before, I have a neutral view. I'm sorry if you guys are upset that I'm not in here ranting how MS is wrong, my console is broke and useless, it's not my fault, etc, etc. like most of these other guys.
Hey, I do feel for those who've been banned, but I'm not going to shed a tear for them.
Explain to me how I am stealing from Microsoft or Epic games. When all my concern is to always guarantee a working backup copy of Gear of War 2. I do own that licensed title, so by law i am allowed to duplicate for personal use. Tell me in what way i am hurting their services and or revenue. M$ has nothing better to do then make money. Why? Because they are a huge monopoly business that would like to increase Q4 sales. It's clear that there are pirates and M$ has the right to take action against them. But to tell me M$ would rather just punish every "modder", then they can *bleep* off for all i care.
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Apple Ipod Touch
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