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Making your own Backups! - Update
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17. November 2009 @ 01:11 |
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I have always used my kreon drive for backups. I was recently banned so I'm assuming it was mw2 that did it. So if I get a new box and want to rip games with my old benq drive, do I just take out the benq drive and hook it up to my computer like a normal drive. What exactly is this 0800? Will schtrom recognize the benq when it's hooked up? (sorry if these are stupid questions)
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mitch04
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17. November 2009 @ 05:03 |
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hey can anyone explain whats going on. I have flashed v1.0 Kreon backed up call of duty modern warefare 2. Now i didnt check properly if there was any error's. it just said finished successfully. I checked it with ABGX level 2 it was all green. what you suggest?
this is what I got for XBC now have a look at this about mid way
Setting SH-D162D error mode to 0x00
wonder what that is.
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Xbox Backup Creator v2.9 Build:0306 By Redline99
Found ODD: TSSTcorp DVD-ROM SH-D162D SB00 at [D]
Additional Info: KREON V1.00
Nero v8.2.8.0
ImgBurn 2.5.0.0 is available
ImgBurn - The Ultimate Image Burner! by LIGHTNING UK!
Getting media info [D]
Media Type: DVD-ROM
Bytes Used: 151 MB (158,662,656 bytes)
Starting read process...
Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 144 GB (154,751,934,464 bytes)
Creating SplitVid backup image [D]
Opening image output file
Reading Video Layer0
Reading Video Layer1
Adding Filler Layer0
Processing PFI Sector
Processing DMI Sector
Processing Security Sector
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<-- Security Sector Details -->
Source Drive: SH-D162D
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Game Partition PFI
E10F31100004FB2000FB04DF0020339F
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Xbox Version: 02
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TimeStamp of Authoring: 8/18/2009
TimeStamp of Mastering: 8/26/2009 3:03:51 PM
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Media ID
C520A909D7AC416C0A4333D5-21271645
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CPR_MAI Key
1183E53D
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RT CID MOD DATA Drive Response
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03 68 00 04A9B0 04B9AF 418667F7 9BB09DE0
01 3F 00 20D7F0 20E7EF E6C94EFB E55A6C20
03 E7 00 DF85F0 DF95EF AC3BE545 6F2B7BF1
01 71 00 FB5B70 FB6B6F 25778584 F725E2E6
07 27 00 04A9B0 04B72F FF00B94D 67010000
05 A5 00 20D7F0 20E56F 066B54E5 5A000000
07 21 00 DF85F0 DF936F DCF9DD8A B5000000
05 F0 00 FB5B70 FB68EF 74FF53CD 0D010000
E0 0B 00 F1741B F141D3 00000000 00000000
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Unlocking Game Partition
Checking Game Partition Availability
Reading XDVDFS File system
Reading Volume Descriptor
Sorting Section Map
Optimizing Section Map
Reading Game Partition
Setting read speed to 12x
Setting SH-D162D error mode to 0x00
Setting read speed to 6x
Adding Filler Layer1
Appending Video Layer1
Creating Layer Break File
LayerBreak file saved as: "call of duty.dvd"
Getting media info [D]
Media Type: DVD-ROM
Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
Read completed in 00:11:28
Starting read process...
Target Xbox version = Xbox360
Space Available on Drive C:\ 137 GB (146,675,724,288 bytes)
Creating SplitVid backup image [D]
Opening image output file
Reading Video Layer0
Reading Video Layer1
Adding Filler Layer0
Processing PFI Sector
Processing DMI Sector
Processing Security Sector
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<-- Security Sector Details -->
Source Drive: SH-D162D
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Game Partition PFI
E10F31100004FB2000FB04DF0020339F
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Xbox Version: 02
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TimeStamp of Authoring: 8/18/2009
TimeStamp of Mastering: 8/26/2009 3:03:51 PM
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Media ID
C520A909D7AC416C0A4333D5-21271645
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CPR_MAI Key
1183E53D
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RT CID MOD DATA Drive Response
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03 68 00 04A9B0 04B9AF 418667F7 9BB09DE0
01 3F 00 20D7F0 20E7EF E6C94EFB E55A6C20
03 E7 00 DF85F0 DF95EF AC3BE545 6F2B7BF1
01 71 00 FB5B70 FB6B6F 25778584 F725E2E6
07 27 00 04A9B0 04B72F FF00B94D 67010000
05 A5 00 20D7F0 20E56F 066B54E5 5B000000
07 21 00 DF85F0 DF936F DCF9DD8A B5000000
05 F0 00 FB5B70 FB68EF 74FF53CD 0D010000
E0 0B 00 F1741B F141D3 00000000 00000000
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Unlocking Game Partition
Checking Game Partition Availability
Reading XDVDFS File system
Reading Volume Descriptor
Sorting Section Map
Optimizing Section Map
Reading Game Partition
Setting read speed to 12x
Setting SH-D162D error mode to 0x00
Setting read speed to 6x
Adding Filler Layer1
Appending Video Layer1
Creating Layer Break File
LayerBreak file saved as: "need for speed shift.dvd"
Getting media info [D]
Media Type: DVD-ROM
Bytes Used: 6.81 GB (7,307,001,856 bytes)
Read completed in 00:11:36
also i got this for abgx.
hm how am i suppose to get the log from abgx
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17. November 2009 @ 08:47 |
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Originally posted by Rang3r_Ri:
roger that. So Samsung would be the aftermarket drive of choice?
It does not have to be Samsung. Just any 360 drive that you put 0800 firmware on it. That's what you want.
Originally posted by jerecho:
I have always used my kreon drive for backups. I was recently banned so I'm assuming it was mw2 that did it. So if I get a new box and want to rip games with my old benq drive, do I just take out the benq drive and hook it up to my computer like a normal drive. What exactly is this 0800? Will schtrom recognize the benq when it's hooked up? (sorry if these are stupid questions)
When you flash your 360 drive with 0800, Windows will then detect it from then on. Just connect it via sata and power it. When turned on, Windows will detect the drive. From there, just use XBC to rip and you'll be set.
@mitch04
the log you posted is of xbc, not abgx. Second of all, did you not just read this whole thread? Stop using Kreon to rip games. Use 0800, or you are just setting yourself up in the future.
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17. November 2009 @ 09:11 |
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I'm still a little confused on th 0800 firmware. This is just ixtreme 1.61 for benq correct?
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ebxtreme
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17. November 2009 @ 10:23 |
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First off, thanks guessswho for the heads-up.
Of course, after seeing this thread yesterday I decided to put your findings to the test ... and you were 100% correct.
I ripped a Borderlands retail disc with both a Lite-On 0800 drive (#1) and a SH-D162C Kreon drive (#2) using XBC 2.9
As you can see in the image below, not only did the 0800 drive pick up more angles BUT it detected the different SS version based on these angles.
I'm not completely sold on this being the only reason behind the mass banning BUT it could be a big contributor. Hopefully, others will pay attention and this thread will remain active and not buried under less relevant topics.
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 10:33 |
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Originally posted by ebxtreme:
First off, thanks guessswho for the heads-up.
Of course, after seeing this thread yesterday I decided to put your findings to the test ... and you were 100% correct.
I ripped a Borderlands retail disc with both a Lite-On 0800 drive (#1) and a SH-D162C Kreon drive (#2) using XBC 2.9
As you can see in the image below, not only did the 0800 drive pick up more angles BUT it detected the different SS version based on these angles.
I'm not completely sold on this being the only reason behind the mass banning BUT it could be a big contributor. Hopefully, others will pay attention and this thread will remain active and not buried under less relevant topics.
http://usera.ImageCave.com/acg0220/bordercompare.gif
Thank you very much for this visual evidence. This is a big deal, IMO. MS has been known to ban for bad angles in the past. It makes perfect sense that they would do it again.
@ the other people in the thread talking about ripping with Kreons: The entire point of this thread is that Kreon ripping should not be happening unless you've got a'hankerin' for a banning.
0800 firmware gives the same abilities as Kreon, but with better results.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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17. November 2009 @ 11:46 |
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I think this information should be stickied, or added to the ultimate.
People need to know that this is important. Kreon is nott he way to rip anymore, and it simply won't be unless there is an update to the kreon firmware.
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
I think this information should be stickied, or added to the ultimate.
People need to know that this is important. Kreon is nott he way to rip anymore, and it simply won't be unless there is an update to the kreon firmware.
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In addition to the 0800 given more angles than the Kreon, if you inspect the results posted by ebxtreme closely, you can notice that the Kreon even gives different responses to the same angles in some instances. For instance, compare the data given from each drive at CT 24.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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ebxtreme
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17. November 2009 @ 12:56 |
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Originally posted by qwert99:
In addition to the 0800 given more angles than the Kreon, if you inspect the results posted by ebxtreme closely, you can notice that the Kreon even gives different responses to the same angles in some instances. For instance, compare the data given from each drive at CT 24.
The deviation data given in CT 24 is definitely different and should be enough for any Kreon user to quickly reconsider their method of ripping.
I have been a die-hard Kreon user since I first started ripping my own backups (from originals only) since 2007. However, this was enough proof for me to flash my spare Lite-On with 0800 and make it my new & only ripping drive.
I have never played a downloaded (torrent) backup on any of my consoles since day one and yet MS banned two of mine last week. This should be proof that aside from the possibility of detectable ixtreme firmware, alot of verification info on ABGX could have been made by kreon firmware as well.
With this being said, correctly ripped angles could very well be the difference of staying safe or being banned if and when undetectable firmware is released.
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 13:02 |
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Yeah, I am seriously considering that this was the main mechanism by which MS banned so many people. Sooo many rips come from Kreon drives. Everybody has played at least one, and that's all it would take, potentially.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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17. November 2009 @ 13:24 |
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I don't believe the angles would be the only thing that caused the ban.
However, it is there for MS to use when they choose to implement it.
Nice on posting the pics ebxtreme
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akossofi
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17. November 2009 @ 14:08 |
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How can you tell which games are ssv2? Is it okay use kreon with ssv1? Thanks.
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BIFF0
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17. November 2009 @ 14:59 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
I don't believe the angles would be the only thing that caused the ban.
Yeah have to agree when in tests virgins flashed and put on live with no disc are banned.
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gameover9
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17. November 2009 @ 16:35 |
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Originally posted by guessswho:
I think this information should be stickied, or added to the ultimate.
People need to know that this is important. Kreon is nott he way to rip anymore, and it simply won't be unless there is an update to the kreon firmware.
Who writes the firmware for the kreon? I have one and only use it when I cannot find the game on the web LOL
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17. November 2009 @ 16:51 |
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kreon writes the Kreon firmware.
I don't know if the kreon drives can support ssv2 though. SO you'll have to use 0800 for it.
Kreon drives on ssv1 games are fine. HOWEVER, there is no flag that you're getting ssv1 from a game that actually has ssv2. It only shows as you ripping ssv1 (and you would never know if ssv2 is actually on it).
So only use 0800
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ebxtreme
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17. November 2009 @ 17:53 |
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Back again to satisfy my curiosity and educate those interested.
I ran a rip comparison with the one and only, Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 2.
As you can clearly see, many extra angles and completely different deviation values.
**So, when normally using the "Install to Hard Drive" feature (which would read the info from a retail disc as a 0800 drive does) ... all of the bad kreon info is transferred (as it was ripped) to the 360's HDD. The Live service may not have access to game discs when offline BUT access to info on your hard drive is available once you sign on. Another nugget to ponder.
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eggman14
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17. November 2009 @ 18:31 |
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as asked i posted on the link below abgx info without fixing angles
http://pastebin.com/m6abeb885
this was ripped with kreon off retail disc without fix angles checked.hope it helps.
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eggman14
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17. November 2009 @ 18:32 |
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if you uncheck trust ssv2 angles in abgx360 can it fix them??
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haza12d
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17. November 2009 @ 18:40 |
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Thanks for this post, now I can make use of one of my spare BenQs to do my ripping. For those using 0800, how are you guys powering the drive? Do you guys use it with the console mobo everytime you need to rip a game? Connectivity Kit? Or is there a dedicated adapter that taps into your PC's power supply. I'm just looking for a fast/easy way of getting to the drive without having to break out a console to go along with it or opening up the PC when I need to make backups. =)
XPS Gen.4 3.6GHz, 4GB RAM, 250GB+750GB Seagate HD, BenQ DW1650, BenQ DW1655, Samsung SE-S184M (External) Dimension E520 3.0GHz 3.5GB RAM, 74GB+500GB Seagate HD, Samsung SH-S183, Samsung SE-S184M (External)
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asjb69
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17. November 2009 @ 18:49 |
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could just used a baned 360 to power the drive couldnt you?
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 18:57 |
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If you are mechanically inclined you could create your own power adapter for the 360. Get an extra 360 power cable (cheap on ebay) and a spare male molex connector and just cut the wires and join them together where it is needed. Now you have your own power source for your 360 DVD drive.
Originally posted by BIFF0:
Yeah have to agree when in tests virgins flashed and put on live with no disc are banned.
Can you link me to a case of this happening? I have yet to personally see a person who played literally zero discs get the banhammer for simply having a modified firmware on a brand-new console.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 18:58 |
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Sorry for the double post.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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haza12d
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17. November 2009 @ 19:03 |
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Hmmm... mechanically inclined I am definitely not. I guess its off to ebay and get me a Connectivity Kit. Thanks.
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17. November 2009 @ 19:18 |
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I found one of my old xboxs that got the rings of death and tore it open. It is a toshiba samsung model TS-H943
Would this be an ideal drive for ripping games?
The only thing is my original firmware is on a 3.5 floppy that I have no idea how I'm going to get off of it (lol)
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qwert99
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17. November 2009 @ 19:21 |
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Yep, that drive will work nicely. You don't even need a legit drive key to rip games, so don't worry about that unless you want to some day attempt to bring that Xbox back from the dead.
$38 on new discs -- Check
$15 on burn after burn that showed as a DVD -- Check
$11 on new laser -- Check
$28 on new multimeter -- Check
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