Originally posted by Rooq:

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Originally posted by uturn68:

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i have no idea how your kreon rip says ssv2 unless you got it confused with the downloaded one because my kreon rip is v1 and my download is v2.

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Take into account that there are multiple different uploads of mw2 that you can download.
I also thought that was weird after reading this post so i downloaded a version of mw2. I am a hundered percent sure i checked over 10times (and i just checked again) the downloaded one show only ssv1 and the retail of mw2 I ripped using a kreon drive shows the ssv2.
I am really confused now

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Originally posted by qwert99:

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You guys getting different results with Kreon drives need to compare hardware, firmware and software to see why some Kreons won't do ss v2 at all and some apparently are getting ss v 2.

Perhaps some older revisions won't grab it, but newer ones will? Or perhaps some people are using 360 drives and some desktop drives for Kreons? Or some people think they have a Kreon drive but really have an 0800 drive? I don't know, but I'd love to find out.

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Originally posted by funksoulb:

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Originally posted by SeriousEh:

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So your saying

0800 will always produce SS V2 (even if disc is SS V1)
Kreon will always produce SS V1 (even if disc is SS V2)

The latter is most definetly correct, but the former cant be. I need to get 0800 on my spare benq and do some tests.

Mind you I havent ripped a L4D2 with my kreon yet, might see what that turns up tonight.

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I am saying that, but it's just an educated guess based on reading what SS V2 actually is, which to me is a product of the improved ripping process that 0800 offers and is not some new kind of protection added to recent games. I don't think there's such a thing as "SSV1 discs" and "SSV2 discs" and so far I've not seen any evidence to the contrary.

Someone ripped Oblivion with an 0800 drive and got SS V2. The guy above ripped Forza 2 and got SS V2. IMO, this is what 0800 is designed to do with every game. It stores extra angles etc. compared to the Kreon method. If it was something that appeared in newer games then SS V2 wouldn't show up in a rip of Oblivion, which is a 3½ year old game.

A post from Xboxhacker backs this theory up too: -

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All ssv2 is, is more stored responses to types 5 and 7, the timing related ones. It's only something that c4eva does and is not part of original ss.bins

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Originally posted by lithium21:

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Also people that are getting ssv2 need to state whether a copy from an already burned disc or retail disc. Kreon drives will produce ssv2 from already burned discs.

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Part of the response to Challenge Types 24 and 25 (Response Types 7 and 5) is a rotational angle between 2 sectors on an original disc. The host's CCRT (which abgx360 decrypts) contains the target angles that would occur on a perfectly mastered disc when read by a perfect drive. There is also a value in the CCRT which only occurs for Challenge Types 24 and 25 that appears to specify the maximum deviation for a given angle. Currently all Xbox 360 games have the same angles (1, 91, 181, 271) and maximum deviation (+/-15). This is a copy protection system based on the fact that we cannot control the location of physical sectors on our backups, and our angles would be hugely different compared to an original. This is a fine protection as long as you can trust the drive firmware to make the actual measurement instead of simply replaying a previous response, which is what hacked firmware does. The default setting in abgx360 is to adjust the replay angles (which only hacked firmwares can see and use) that deviate more than 3 degrees back to their CCRT target values because in real world testing on a normal drive, up to 2 degrees of deviation is quite normal and deviation greater than 3 on any game is rare and could be suspicous (although it's very common to have high deviation on a dying or worn out drive). Alternatively, (paranoid scenario) a game could be intentionally mastered with a deviation far from its CCRT target and adjusting it to the target value would also be suspicious... although this would potentially cause problems for disc authentication on legitimate unmodified drives.

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Originally posted by asjb69:

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yeah so if they check the angles on live and it returns a bad response wouldnt that flag our systems?

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Originally posted by nailed:

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Originally posted by asjb69:

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yeah so if they check the angles on live and it returns a bad response wouldnt that flag our systems?

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Absolutely. AFAIK, the angle challenges aren't the cause of the recent bans, tho. I suspect timing-related issues.

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Originally posted by bhetrick:

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Originally posted by nailed:

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Originally posted by asjb69:

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yeah so if they check the angles on live and it returns a bad response wouldnt that flag our systems?

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Absolutely. AFAIK, the angle challenges aren't the cause of the recent bans, tho. I suspect timing-related issues.

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I agree. If I recall correctly, back when the CoD4 ban wave hit, it was suspected that bad angles were the giveaway until it was discovered that unmodded, failing drives would also give the same results. Apparently a bunch of legit consoles were banned. And that's when C4E released new firmware to correct the angle problem.

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Originally posted by matt54321:

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As above TBH, its the one thing that remains consistent. Playing games before release/bad rips etc probably doesnt help but FW is main culprit.

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Originally posted by matt54321:

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If the firmware wasnt detectable then why have people been banned when they havnt actually played a "backed up game" on a modded console.

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