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Sony, Panasonic introduce Blu-ray discs with 33.4GB layers
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article published on 2 January, 2010
Panasonic and Sony have introduced the new i-MLSE (Maximum Likelihood Sequence Estimation) method this week, increasing the per-layer storage capacity of Blu-ray discs from the current 25GB to 33.4GB.
Tech-On! says the new method can use existing Blu-ray equipment, a "blue-violet laser diode with a 405 nm wavelength, and an object lens with a numeric aperture (NA) of 0.85."
i-MLSE ... [ read the full article ]
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2. January 2010 @ 17:40 |
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sounds cool.
i wish i could read anything from that graph..then my comment would be beefier :P
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scorpNZ
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2. January 2010 @ 20:45 |
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They can all keep their multi layer discs noth'n beats a good ol single layer dvd 5 at least a small scratch won't give read errors
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2. January 2010 @ 21:06 |
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^^^^
Nothing beats ignorance i might say, DVD's are way-way-way more fragile than BD's in any way.
Even if you try to wipe a DVD with the most super special advanced cleaning cloth gets little thin scratches. BD's are the most scratch proof disc's ever get to production.
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Anyone understand anything from that graph or have any more info to say if PS3 supports that???
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2. January 2010 @ 23:18 |
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I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
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2. January 2010 @ 23:41 |
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Yeah. I've given up on Blu-rays when they formed a biker gang behind my Kleenex dispenser, while my regular DVDs were helping out with the dishes and singing songs.
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3. January 2010 @ 01:28 |
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I Mixed feelings on this...
1.) More space=better quality (in theory)
2.) Will there be 33GB single-sided blank disks? Is this just an attempt to make backup more expensive, by forcing people to buy DL blanks, while also making it impossible to backup a DL orriginal without quality loss?
3.) Will this be too much for the laser to handle over the long term?
4.) Wouldn't it be better if they were focusing on preventing errors, rather than trying to get as close to the maximum number of errors as possible?
Originally posted by SDF_GR:
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Anyone understand anything from that graph or have any more info to say if PS3 supports that???
I don't understand the graph...but if SONY made it to be compatible with existing bluray players, then I think we can expect SONY PS3 compatability.
Originally posted by AfterDraw:
Yeah. I've given up on Blu-rays when they formed a biker gang behind my Kleenex dispenser, while my regular DVDs were helping out with the dishes and singing songs.
Are you a Disney cartoon character by any chance? How did your audio CDs react the the formation of the biker gang?
Originally posted by ronhondo:
I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
I think you are either half blind, or watching a crummy screen. My dad was talking the same way about blurays because they didn't look any better on his Plasma TV...closer inspection showed it was an SD TV, with a resolution lower than that of a DVD. Once we got him a quality TV, the difference was very noticable, even to a 60 year old man. As for audio, DTS is a proprietary standard...bluray supports it, but no one wants to use it because bluray supports better auto types that do not require you to pay a fee for every disk, player, and receiver you put it on. Properly encoded bluray 7.1 audio will blow the best DTS out of the water anyway, so it is not a loss at all. As for the price, amazon now sells many 3-disk bluray packs for less than the price of the same movie on a single DVD. I realize the local stores might overcharge in some areas...and there are lots of cheap DVDs in the bargain bins, but this is a temporary state. My only complaint about blurays is the lack of selection...and this is also a temporary state. Oh, and I also get much more enjoyment from my PS3's gaming than it's bluray player...but it would be a sad system if that were not the case.
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3. January 2010 @ 04:49 |
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
^^^^
Nothing beats ignorance i might say, DVD's are way-way-way more fragile than BD's in any way.
Even if you try to wipe a DVD with the most super special advanced cleaning cloth gets little thin scratches. BD's are the most scratch proof disc's ever get to production.
On topic
Anyone understand anything from that graph or have any more info to say if PS3 supports that???
My comment stems from movie & game hirage so i'm well aware that multi layer dvds are susceptible to read errors even with minor scratches compared to single layer, all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
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Originally posted by SDF_GR:
^^^^
Nothing beats ignorance i might say, DVD's are way-way-way more fragile than BD's in any way.
Even if you try to wipe a DVD with the most super special advanced cleaning cloth gets little thin scratches. BD's are the most scratch proof disc's ever get to production.
On topic
Anyone understand anything from that graph or have any more info to say if PS3 supports that???
My comment stems from movie & game hirage so i'm well aware that multi layer dvds are susceptible to read errors even with minor scratches compared to single layer, all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
All blu ray discs should have bumbs on them to try and prevent really bad scratchs...tho I always thought that a flimsy fact(?) 0-o
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3. January 2010 @ 07:53 |
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I was the same way with DVDs... until I walked past those HDTV displays showing Transformers 2 on the new LED HDTVs... there's definitely more detail in Blu-ray resolution... go to Best Buy and check it out yourself.
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3. January 2010 @ 09:49 |
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Originally posted by scorpNZ:
My comment stems from movie & game hirage so i'm well aware that multi layer dvds are susceptible to read errors even with minor scratches compared to single layer, all dvd's regardless of type are made of poly carb & unless i'm mistaken blu ray are no different so just how much more scratch resistant are they or is that what's written on the packaging..lol..
Actually you are mistaken. DVD's and BD's are definitely not equally susceptible to the same scratches. If you have a chance pick up a BD and run your finger nail on the bottom side vs a DVD and you will notice just with that alone the difference in smoothness (that is basically the hard-coating technology or "Durabis" ~ Wiki). Now that exercise is by no means "scientific" it is just meant to help show a physical difference between them. Here is some additional info from the Wiki about BD's ~
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All Blu-Ray Disc media are required by specification to be scratch-resistant.[56] DVD media are not required to be scratch-resistant, but since development of the technology, some companies, such as Verbatim, implemented hard-coating for more expensive lineups of recordable DVDs.
BD's are proven to be BY FAR much more reliable and less prone to scratching. Hell you can even go to a local Gamestop and ask to see any handful of PS3 games that were just turned in and compare them to it's counterparts! That alone speaks volumes about the durability of BD's.
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3. January 2010 @ 10:34 |
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Originally posted by ronhondo:
Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc.
You're kidding, right?
DTS on DVD's are LOSSY. (Google it if you don't know what it means.)
BluRays have LOSSLESS soundtracks which are identical to the studio masters. More than 80 percent of all BluRay releases have LOSSLESS SOUNDTRACKS which are a significant improvement over the lossy soundtracks found on the DVD's.
Do some research and learn about DTS HD Master Audio or Dolby True HD - both of which cannot be found on regular DVD's.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
I don't see any improvment in the picture
The improvement in picture quality on both my 1080p 50 inch LCD and my 1080p front projector is dramatic.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
and the discs are expensive.
I can get most new releases for $20 or less and most older catalog titles for $15 or less. I just know where and when to shop.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
Who really needs a movie theater in there house??
Those of us who consider Home Theater as a hobby.
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by ronhondo:
Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc.
You're kidding, right?
DTS on DVD's are LOSSY. (Google it if you don't know what it means.)
BluRays have LOSSLESS soundtracks which are identical to the studio masters. More than 80 percent of all BluRay releases have LOSSLESS SOUNDTRACKS which are a significant improvement over the lossy soundtracks found on the DVD's.
Do some research and learn about DTS HD Master Audio or Dolby True HD - both of which cannot be found on regular DVD's.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
I don't see any improvment in the picture
The improvement in picture quality on both my 1080p 50 inch LCD and my 1080p front projector is dramatic.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
and the discs are expensive.
I can get most new releases for $20 or less and most older catalog titles for $15 or less. I just know where and when to shop.
Originally posted by ronhondo:
Who really needs a movie theater in there house??
Those of us who consider Home Theater as a hobby.
BR is pretty much the final step in making the 1000$ or less home theater a possibility, yes its not worth while right now this minute unless you got 2-5K to throw at it but in a couple years you could get a 200$ surround setup with a 700$ 36-50inch TV and 100$ BR player that will bring it all together.
I have made the move to BR as for as recording data goes 36$ for 15 22GB discs and a 8X 145$ player/burner.
Sooner or later I will gt a stand alone BR/DVR!
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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3. January 2010 @ 10:54 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
BR is pretty much the final step in making the 1000$ or less home theater a possibility, yes its not worth while right now this minute unless you got 2-5K to throw at it but in a couple years you could get a 200$ surround setup with a 700$ 36-50inch TV and 100$ BR player that will bring it all together.
I have made the move to BR as for as recording data goes 36$ for 15 22GB discs and a 8X 145$ player/burner.
Sooner or later I will gt a stand alone BR/DVR!
If you shopped around last Black Friday you could have gotten a 50 inch 1080p plasma with a free Blu-ray player for $999. IIRC, Walmart had a 46 inch 1080p Bravia with a free Blu-ray player for $799. They were bundling free Blu-ray players with bargain priced HDTV's all over the place. At Best Buy most of the people I saw carrying our HDTV's also had Blu-ray players in their carts.
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3. January 2010 @ 11:00 |
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
BR is pretty much the final step in making the 1000$ or less home theater a possibility, yes its not worth while right now this minute unless you got 2-5K to throw at it but in a couple years you could get a 200$ surround setup with a 700$ 36-50inch TV and 100$ BR player that will bring it all together.
I have made the move to BR as for as recording data goes 36$ for 15 22GB discs and a 8X 145$ player/burner.
Sooner or later I will gt a stand alone BR/DVR!
If you shopped around last Black Friday you could have gotten a 50 inch 1080p plasma with a free Blu-ray player for $999. IIRC, Walmart had a 46 inch 1080p Bravia with a free Blu-ray player for $799. They were bundling free Blu-ray players with bargain priced HDTV's all over the place. At Best Buy most of the people I saw carrying our HDTV's also had Blu-ray players in their carts.
Plasma.....er...uumm........I'd rather wait for LED tech to come down if I am to spend more than 340$ 0-o
I'd not ready just yet to go in(300+) on my TV/stand alone player I have enough to deal with right now I am mostly just waiting till my funds and better tech becomes affordable :P
And then in a year or 2 USB 3.0 hits.....*droool* new CPU/RAM and mobo ahoy!!!
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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3. January 2010 @ 11:13 |
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Originally posted by ronhondo:
I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
I wish this place has an "Report idiotic post", function.
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3. January 2010 @ 14:21 |
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Originally posted by ronhondo:
I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
I wish this place has an "Report idiotic post", function.
So?? Some people are satisfied with DVDs and dont have the 50 bucks per movie fee Sony wants.
Sony can get stuffed.
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3. January 2010 @ 14:23 |
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Plasma.....er...uumm........I'd rather wait for LED tech to come down if I am to spend more than 340$ 0-o
Mmm LED TV with 240 refresh rate, and maybe one with a Cell processor in it...one day itll be affordable :)
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Originally posted by ronhondo:
I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc. I don't see any improvment in the picture and the discs are expensive. The recorders are also expensive and forget trying to copy these discs. I really don't understand what the hype is about ?? I use a PS3 so the Blu-ray came with it. I get more enjoyment from the Netflix and Games. Who really needs a movie theater in there house ??
I wish this place has an "Report idiotic post", function.
So?? Some people are satisfied with DVDs and dont have the 50 bucks per movie fee Sony wants.
Sony can get stuffed.
Who pays 50$ a movie? thats like paying more than 10$ for a DVD....
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by windsong:
dont have the 50 bucks per movie fee Sony wants.
Where's your proof of this $50 per movie fee that Sony is charging?
And you do know that Sony isn't the only studio releasing movies right?
No one pays $50 for a single Blu-ray title anymore unless it's a multi-disc TV series or multi-disc Collections or one of those Special Boxed Editions with all those fancy add-ons.
I can get District 9 on Blu-ray from amazon for $17.99.
http://www.amazon.com/District-9-Blu-ray..._rd_i=193640011
The 2-disc DVD is more expensive at $22.99.
http://www.amazon.com/District-9-Two-Dis...&sr=1-3
And if you look hard enough you can get the 2 disc stuff for under 19!
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Toshibot:
And if you look hard enough you can get the 2 disc stuff for under 19!
I would look but I'm not interested in the 2-disc DVD.
The point is: The gap between Blu-ray and DVD pricing is slowly disappearing.
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Originally posted by Toshibot:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Toshibot:
And if you look hard enough you can get the 2 disc stuff for under 19!
I would look but I'm not interested in the 2-disc DVD.
The point is: The gap between Blu-ray and DVD pricing is slowly disappearing.
I like it with the DVD more portability. ^^
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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Originally posted by ronhondo:
I really don't care for Blu-Ray. DVD's play just as well on these players due to the upscale video processing. Most of my DVD's also have DTS Sound which I have yet to find on a Blu-ray disc.
Sorry but that's the most ignorant ill-informed set of comments I have read all year - you obviously know nothing about blu-rays or don't even own any.
dts sound on a blu ray is almost at the bottom end of quality audio available , many blu-rays have dts or hd.cfm" class="forum_link" target="_blank">dts-hd but most have dts hd ma or true hd or pcm which are infinitely superior so that blows your argument out of the water before you even get going.
not even going to get involved in the old "upscaled dvd is just as good as blu-ray" argument because anyone with two eyes who has compared the two knows the answer to this already.
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3. January 2010 @ 15:48 |
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So?? Some people are satisfied with DVDs and dont have the 50 bucks per movie fee Sony wants.
Sony can get stuffed.
another idiot who has never actually checked out the price of blu-rays on amazon etc and so pulls a figure out of thin air in his best drama queen mode to try and add weight to his weightless argument.
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3. January 2010 @ 15:48 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
I like it with the DVD more portability. ^^
Portability is of no concern to me. When I watch a movie I watch it either on my 50 inch LCD or on my front projector setup - with 7.1 or 5.1 lossless surround. Blu-ray gives the best results. When I'm traveling I don't want to watch movies on a 3.5 inch screen - I read a book.
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