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IsoHunt ordered to take down torrents, site likely to close
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 1 April, 2010
Update: We have been contacted by Ira P. Rothken: "I am the lawyer for Isohunt in their litigation against the Major Movie Studios. There is no injunction in the Isohunt case. The parties are still briefing what an injunction, if any, will look like."
In a decision that will likely take down the giant torrent indexer, a judge has ordered IsoHunt to remove all torrents linking to infringing content.
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12. April 2010 @ 15:32 |
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Originally posted by DaCount:
Jemborg...why do you think the MPAA and the RIAA have went to court so many times in the US to get copying programs removed from public purchase? Real Copy-DVD Shrink-DVD next Copy all have been tried in a court and some of them are no longer around. They have even went after Slysoft's AnyDVD and that is not even located in the US, but it is being brought before a judge to see if they can take it out. They will try anything they can to make sure you dont have the programs to copy anything, and then try and say with a straight face that they are not stopping you from copying as the US Betamax decision says you can
I'm sure your right... come to think of it DVDShrink was discontinued... {I still use it though but not for the initial backup}.
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Dvd shrink is timeless. Once files have been decrypted, there are uses, that I have not seen in any other program. But I am more familiar with shrink, than a lot of other programs I use :p
Though I chiefly use Rebuilder :D
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Though I chiefly use Rebuilder :D
I must look into that one, cheers.
EDIT: Is that the BD Rebuilder? What version do you recommend mate?
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Originally posted by DaCount:
Jemborg...why do you think the MPAA and the RIAA have went to court so many times in the US to get copying programs removed from public purchase? Real Copy-DVD Shrink-DVD next Copy all have been tried in a court and some of them are no longer around. They have even went after Slysoft's AnyDVD and that is not even located in the US, but it is being brought before a judge to see if they can take it out. They will try anything they can to make sure you dont have the programs to copy anything, and then try and say with a straight face that they are not stopping you from copying as the US Betamax decision says you can
The spirit of copyright and fair use says you can make backups of what you own that is your right. But the letter of the if has been warped making it nearly impossible.
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12. April 2010 @ 19:31 |
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SCO claims ownership of UNIX copyrights. Novell claims ownership of UNIX copyrights. SCO claims ownership of work developed by IBM and contributed to Linux. Thousands of people that were never compensated have worked on UNIX. Why is UNIX not public domain software?
As long as there are legal schoolars this will never be resolved in a way that makes any sense.
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12. April 2010 @ 23:07 |
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Originally posted by DaCount:
Whew Bluedog....seems you got taken to task by a person that seemingly knows more then you. Instead of attacking him like you did, maybe you should have just asked him why he posted that way?
Nope ne where near it. He does not understand the strength and reach of interpol. Interpol can not force any country to change its laws, it can "request" (for choice of a better word) or discuss it but it is still upto the countries government. Even if he is corrct then they are not very effective and countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol are part of Interpol and which ones of them do not have the same laws as the others, hint TPB.
His argument then is flawed and incorrect.
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13. April 2010 @ 16:38 |
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Originally posted by bluedogs:
Originally posted by DaCount:
Whew Bluedog....seems you got taken to task by a person that seemingly knows more then you. Instead of attacking him like you did, maybe you should have just asked him why he posted that way?
Nope ne where near it. He does not understand the strength and reach of interpol. Interpol can not force any country to change its laws, it can "request" (for choice of a better word) or discuss it but it is still upto the countries government. Even if he is corrct then they are not very effective and countries http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interpol are part of Interpol and which ones of them do not have the same laws as the others, hint TPB.
His argument then is flawed and incorrect.
I have not heard of one person being picked up by interpol for just illegal downloading of copyrighted materials.
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13. April 2010 @ 18:33 |
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Sorry Bluedog, you are the one factually incorrect. IN the Interpol agreement that each country signs it gives that international police unit the same arrest powers as wellas the same ability to operate as a police unit in the countries that sign it's agreement, and the recently signed agreement by US President Obama with Interpol proves same as it is a standard agreement and gives Interpol police powers inside the US. Here is a list of ALL member countries in the Interpol agreement that have granted Interpol police powers in that country http://www.interpol.int/Public/ICPO/Members/default.asp
So Bluedog, if your country is listed there, you have a major surprise as Interpol can walk up to your door and place you under arrest and hold you for between 24 hours to 5 days before having to release you. Want proof, here ya go directly from the Interpol Constitution and pay special attention to the term INTERNATIONAL POLICE ORGANIZATION!!!
About INTERPOL
INTERPOL is the world?s largest international police organization, with 188 member countries. Created in 1923, it facilitates cross-border police co-operation, and supports and assists all organizations, authorities and services whose mission is to prevent or combat international crime.
INTERPOL aims to facilitate international police co-operation even where diplomatic relations do not exist between particular countries. Action is taken within the limits of existing laws in different countries and in the spirit of the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. INTERPOL?s constitution prohibits ?any intervention or activities of a political, military, religious or racial character.?
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In order to further its aims, the Organization needs the constant and active co-operation of its Members, who should do all within their power which is compatible with the legislations of their countries to participate diligently in its activities.
Article 45
All bodies representing the countries mentioned in Appendix I shall be deemed to be Members of the Organization unless they declare through the appropriate governmental authority that they cannot accept this Constitution. Such a declaration should be made within six months of the date of the coming into force of the present Constitution.
So Bluedog, seems Daniel_1 WAS correct in his statements and you were not. Interpol even has the authority to come into ANY European Country and arrest any citizen for breaking the law of another country under authority granted it by the European Union. And in all parts of Asia, Interpol cracks down on fake products like copied movies-music-watches-purses-shoes-etc.
maybe next time you will take the advice of someone who seems to know a lot more then you do and listen for once. Daniel_1's statements have been validated and documented while you have proved nothing more then posting "no it aint cause I said it aint".
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13. April 2010 @ 18:46 |
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DaCount, interpol is an organization just like nato & the un is but does not have it's own police officers just as nato does not have it's own troops but troops contributed by member nations. as such interpol uses member police forces only in that member's country when doing an arrest for another country.
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14. April 2010 @ 01:32 |
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The recording industry should maintain a database with the current copyright holder contact information for every song or movie still protected by copyright. The recording industry should develop the technology to identify copyrighted works.
A website which distributes files should submit canidate files to a central clearing house operated at the expense of the recording industry. Once the file is approved for download it could be placed on the server for users to download (no peer to peer file transfers). The server should maintain records of all file transfers. You should have a way to contact copyright holder to request permission to use the copyrighted material.
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14. April 2010 @ 01:36 |
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Originally posted by DaCount:
Article 31
In order to further its aims, the Organization needs the constant and active co-operation of its Members, who should do all within their power which is compatible with the legislations of their countries to participate diligently in its activities.
This here proves my point.. they do not have the authoirty to create its own laws on an idividual country. It must be done within the legislation of that country. For example, If they want to arrest anyone in Sweden, I think off memory does not have the same intelectual property rights as say the US, therefore they must operate within the laws of Sweden.
The country I live does not allow anyone to be detained for more than 12 to 24 hours without charge, excluding terrorism and crimes of such nature. So the individual must be charged for something within the 12 to 24 hour time frame or must be released, if not that individual has right to to sue and charge those involved for false imprisonment, invansion of civil libities and more, it has happened here before and they succeded to sue for over $2 million of memory.
So they may have some powers yes but those powers are restricted by the laws of the individuals country. We have a thing here called a Constitution as well and differs from that of other coutries and one of our rights as a citizen is a person can not be charged for something that is not an offense according to our laws.
Also they do not have the right in this country to walk into anyones house out of the blue, they require something called "a warrant" regardless if its State, Federal and especially International Police. They must have the cooperation of at least Federal Police.
Every country does have different rules/laws and clearly the country that big mouth has does not have the protection that we have here.
I was more taking him to task on his attitude and lack of knowledge of foreign countries before ranting.
International Law 101, so to speak.
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14. April 2010 @ 03:36 |
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I get the impression that bluedogs is an Aussie like me... I have never heard of Interpol being involved in any copyright issue here, ever.
In fact all he wrote in his last post appears as correct to me. They cannot have precedence over any country's laws... there would be hell to pay. For example, extradition treaties have to be in place before any country, let alone Interpol, can request one, they have no power to order any country to do anything. Likewise, Interpol cannot act independently in any country without the cooperation of their authorities, that logically could be construed as a form of international spying.
I also applaud the restrained tone of Mr. Bluedogs above post... good on ya mate.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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14. April 2010 @ 05:37 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
I get the impression that bluedogs is an Aussie like me... I have never heard of Interpol being involved in any copyright issue here, ever.
In fact all he wrote in his last post appears as correct to me. They cannot have precedence over any country's laws... there would be hell to pay. For example, extradition treaties have to be in place before any country, let alone Interpol, can request one, they have no power to order any country to do anything. Likewise, Interpol cannot act independently in any country without the cooperation of their authorities, that logically could be construed as a form of international spying.
I also applaud the restrained tone of Mr. Bluedogs above post... good on ya mate.
Yep I'm an Aussie mate through and through and proud to be one. I must make a correction to my earlier post where I stated
12 to 24 hours, it is actually 12 to 48 hours.
You are correct, the only time Interpol has arrested someone here in Australia are for major crimes, as stated earlier, and only with the co-operation with the Fed's and only with countries that have extraditions abilities and only if the charge matches that of our legislation and laws.. Prime example is Spain, they are on the Interpol list but yet were unable to touch Christopher Skase because the was no extradition treaty between us and them. If what the original loud mouth was saying then why didn't they step in and arrest him?..... Simple, they did not have the power to do it. Also take a look at iiNet, why didn't Interpol step in there? again they don't have the power and the our courts made that crystal clear.
So Daniel get your facts straight, go do some research before mouthing off.
DaCount I appreciate your input and being sensible about it, however you are not entirely correct, correct in some situations yes but not in this case of discussion. He clearly did not know more about it than I, just more about his region most likely but his comments were broad sweeping which makes him wrong. Actually your post and facts (Crhistopher Skase) proved my point.
And as Mez stated Quote:
I have not heard of one person being picked up by interpol for just illegal downloading of copyrighted materials.
. Show me 10 cases where Interpol were involved.
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I say just give me one....
In half the world the downloading of copyrighted material is illegal but not a crime, such as driving slightly over the speed limit. That is changing.
To have search and seizure you need to be committing a serious enough crime to warrant thousands of dollars of expense. You either need to be selling large quantities of copyrighted goods or more likely, your computer is infested with a botnet that did something very illegal. If your computer was part of an attack of the Pentagon, Homeland security will bust down your door handcuff you that remove all your computers and disks. My son knew someone that had that happen to him. He never did find out what happened. Since the break in occurred a few weeks after the attack I suspect one of their computers was in the attack. They were never charged with anything but never got back anything. When they made an inquiry they were told in was a national security issue.
There have been AD members that had this happen to them. One had a large quantity of copyrighted material on his computer. He will be going to court soon.
DDP is right as usual, there are no interpol police.
DaCount, you are very confused but you think you know more that the rest of us.
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Originally posted by Mez:
I say just give me one....
In half the world the downloading of copyrighted material is illegal but not a crime, such as driving slightly over the speed limit. That is changing.
To have search and seizure you need to be committing a serious enough crime to warrant thousands of dollars of expense. You either need to be selling large quantities of copyrighted goods or more likely, your computer is infested with a botnet that did something very illegal. If your computer was part of an attack of the Pentagon, Homeland security will bust down your door handcuff you that remove all your computers and disks. My son knew someone that had that happen to him. He never did find out what happened. Since the break in occurred a few weeks after the attack I suspect one of their computers was in the attack. They were never charged with anything but never got back anything. When they made an inquiry they were told in was a national security issue.
There have been AD members that had this happen to them. One had a large quantity of copyrighted material on his computer. He will be going to court soon.
DDP is right as usual, there are no interpol police.
DaCount, you are very confused but you think you know more that the rest of us.
Its got more to do with scapegoating and finding someone to parade in front of a judge.
as far as I am concerned copyright that focuses on distribution and copies is nothing more than building a gold paved road to fascism.
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Originally posted by bluedogs:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
I get the impression that bluedogs is an Aussie like me... I have never heard of Interpol being involved in any copyright issue here, ever.
In fact all he wrote in his last post appears as correct to me. They cannot have precedence over any country's laws... there would be hell to pay. For example, extradition treaties have to be in place before any country, let alone Interpol, can request one, they have no power to order any country to do anything. Likewise, Interpol cannot act independently in any country without the cooperation of their authorities, that logically could be construed as a form of international spying.
I also applaud the restrained tone of Mr. Bluedogs above post... good on ya mate.
Yep I'm an Aussie mate through and through and proud to be one.
Likewise.
I too must make a correction to my earlier post. I meant to write...
"...Likewise, Interpol cannot act independently in any country without the cooperation of their authorities, otherwise that, logically, could be construed as a form of international spying."
Skase was a bastard hey? It's astonishing that we don't have an extradition treaty with Spain, imo.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Its got more to do with scapegoating and finding someone to parade in front of a judge.
as far as I am concerned copyright that focuses on distribution and copies is nothing more than building a gold paved road to fascism.
No, Zippy you are off the mark this time, not scapegoating thing it is low hanging fruit thing. Obama would not be in the White House had it not been for the media. This is political reality. Because the computer was a national security issue, Homeland security could hack the computer legally. Once inside, the White House obviously has directed at least HLS to check for other law breaking issues. It would be safe to conclude all US agencies have that same direction. They would also be looking for kiddie porn and any terrorist information files urls in the history etc. Just like if a cop pulls your car over they are looking in your car for anything that would allow them to search your car. That is their job and is not political.
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Originally posted by Mez:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Its got more to do with scapegoating and finding someone to parade in front of a judge.
as far as I am concerned copyright that focuses on distribution and copies is nothing more than building a gold paved road to fascism.
No, Zippy you are off the mark this time, not scapegoating thing it is low hanging fruit thing. Obama would not be in the White House had it not been for the media. This is political reality. Because the computer was a national security issue, Homeland security could hack the computer legally. Once inside, the White House obviously has directed at least HLS to check for other law breaking issues. It would be safe to conclude all US agencies have that same direction. They would also be looking for kiddie porn and any terrorist information files urls in the history etc. Just like if a cop pulls your car over they are looking in your car for anything that would allow them to search your car. That is their job and is not political.
Scapegoating and low hanging fruit and the the same IMO, both are used as a easy way to pander to the public at large. Though I suppose scapegoat would be less grammatically correct
I dunno I was all for McCain until I realized the republic party made him into a meat puppet and they they brought out the dizt, Then I was for Ron Paul untill logic told me the lesser of evils needs to be selected and fell into the either/or of lesser choseable choices.
Obama won in part because he had a better writer and orator skill(and he was not bush or a reaper) and the 2 party system only allows the public to only chose one of their hand picked and ripened meat puppets.
Its a shame the American populace dose not care much anymore as the 2 parties have destroyed the county by making higher orifice a noble class of aristocracy thats running the country into the ground.
Copyright is huge business and thus its onwer conclomerants has their tentacles up the combined anus's of both the dims and the reapers.
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The media shifted from doing its own policing to spending a huge chunk of money to get laws changed through out the world. Then they can do not have to do anything. They assume they will recoup their money because of the massive rise of sales due to the end of piracy. The fools do not understand the law of supply and demand. Persons are willing to download something for free that they would not pay a dime for let alone over a dollar a tune. They might find out they will have less sales because free downloading is a form of advertisement.
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Originally posted by Mez:
The media shifted from doing its own policing to spending a huge chunk of money to get laws changed through out the world. Then they can do not have to do anything. They assume they will recoup their money because of the massive rise of sales due to the end of piracy. The fools do not understand the law of supply and demand. Persons are willing to download something for free that they would not pay a dime for let alone over a dollar a tune. They might find out they will have less sales because free downloading is a form of advertisement.
Well media and its subsect news found out 10ish years ago that enhanced news (IE entertainment news) makes them more money. Add to it the slow progression to a corporate favoring democracy that supports money over law the US has already become a 2nd world nation, the masses will wake up to figure it out in 10-50 years down the line..
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the masses will wake up to figure it out in 10-50 years down the line..
I enjoy your frankness Zip.
But in the 21st Century in a country where over 50% of the population are Creationists, where a significant number of the lauded Founding Fathers were openly scornful of religion, even Christianity, theologians and probably atheist judging by their private correspondence... I don't hold out much hope for that.
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Bluedog, you are completely hopeless and without a clue. You claim that no one has been arrested for illegal downloading? REALLY Bluedog? Then care to explain that to the people who were arrested and charged with illegal downloading...ARRESTED BY INTERPOL!! With more arrests to come from many different countries who had citizens who were members?? You remember the name...the site was called OINK
http://www.nme.com/news/tabloid-hell/31992
http://www.zeropaid.com/news/9067/oink_t...sers_continues/
"OiNK was best known for its pre-release albums, with more than 60 major album releases having been leaked on OiNK so far this year. According to the IFP, this made it the primary source worldwide for illegal pre-release music."
Whoops Bluedog, this says that you are NOT being truthful in your claims...and in fact it clearly states you have no idea what the heck your talking about. In police circles an according to law (check with your local department if you want to be embarrassed even more then you are now) The officer that started the investigation is classified as the "arresting officer" and is the one that must make the arrest! And if you will read the two articles, you will see that servers were shut down and people were arrested in both the US and Amsterdam, yet the people who filed the complaint were in England. Now since English police do not and cannot make arrests outside of their country, the only other people who DO have the authority to make arrests in any country that has signed onto the agreement is ...hmmmm Can it be INTERPOL?? Check with the Amsterdam Police department and you will find much to your shock and a much needed reality wake up call, that the police that made the arrest in both Amsterdam and Middleburry Ohio in the US were none other then agents from INTERPOL at the behest of British copyright holders. Just as I have been trying to tell you that they could and you just refused to listen, sort of like the boy who cried wolf. Only in this case you are the boy crying wolf.
You may now remove your foot from your mouth and please dont make yourself look any more foolish by trying to spin this or claim it didnt happen as the links clearly show it did.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the masses will wake up to figure it out in 10-50 years down the line..
I enjoy your frankness Zip.
But in the 21st Century in a country where over 50% of the population are Creationists, where a significant number of the lauded Founding Fathers were openly scornful of religion, even Christianity, theologians and probably atheist judging by their private correspondence... I don't hold out much hope for that.
It helps I talk before I think sometimes ^_~
I see religion and faith as separate things, faith is what you do and believe, religion is a "job" that too many people do from "9 to 5".
Religion like any functioning human mobbing/grouping will look out for its best interests over that of the public and the nations.
But all in all what we have in the US is a loss of community and responsibility, as big cities and urban areas spread we no longer help each other and leach from all we can, (it started in the 80s when saint ronny was running things), and this goes right to the core of modern business and politics, as both are out to get as much from the public as they can before they died or jailed.
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the masses will wake up to figure it out in 10-50 years down the line..
I enjoy your frankness Zip.
But in the 21st Century in a country where over 50% of the population are Creationists, where a significant number of the lauded Founding Fathers were openly scornful of religion, even Christianity, theologians and probably atheist judging by their private correspondence... I don't hold out much hope for that.
It helps I talk before I think sometimes ^_~
I see religion and faith as separate things, faith is what you do and believe, religion is a "job" that too many people do from "9 to 5".
Religion like any functioning human mobbing/grouping will look out for its best interests over that of the public and the nations.
But all in all what we have in the US is a loss of community and responsibility, as big cities and urban areas spread we no longer help each other and leach from all we can, (it started in the 80s when saint ronny was running things), and this goes right to the core of modern business and politics, as both are out to get as much from the public as they can before they died or jailed.
I don't disagree with you except that... religion needs faith... faith (belief without evidence) is vastly overrated.
And that it is seriously blighting an otherwise brilliant nation.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
...the masses will wake up to figure it out in 10-50 years down the line..
I enjoy your frankness Zip.
But in the 21st Century in a country where over 50% of the population are Creationists, where a significant number of the lauded Founding Fathers were openly scornful of religion, even Christianity, theologians and probably atheist judging by their private correspondence... I don't hold out much hope for that.
It helps I talk before I think sometimes ^_~
I see religion and faith as separate things, faith is what you do and believe, religion is a "job" that too many people do from "9 to 5".
Religion like any functioning human mobbing/grouping will look out for its best interests over that of the public and the nations.
But all in all what we have in the US is a loss of community and responsibility, as big cities and urban areas spread we no longer help each other and leach from all we can, (it started in the 80s when saint ronny was running things), and this goes right to the core of modern business and politics, as both are out to get as much from the public as they can before they died or jailed.
I don't disagree with you except that... religion needs faith... faith (belief without evidence) is vastly overrated.
And that it is seriously blighting an otherwise brilliant nation.
True but there is a slight difference in spirituality IE faith were you are not chained and bound to the polishly assumed and well crafted embodiment one of the many different religion's. *IE religion is ran by mob rule and tends to push its members in odd directions*.
Now is religion evil? Is that where my rant is going? No far from it, it is human and no better or worse than anything else we do but I just find it inhumble,prideful and divisive more often than not. But like many things mob ran people are dumb, arrogant and ignorant while the person, the individual is rather smart on some if not most things.
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