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Sony sued over PS3 firmware update that removes 'OtherOS' feature
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article published on 29 April, 2010
Sony has been sued this week in California over its recent firmware update that removed the "OtherOS" feature of the PlayStation 3, a feature that had allowed for the installation of Linux on an HDD partition.
The firmware update, version 3.21, was released last month.
The case was brought by Anthony Ventura who is claiming that the update is an "intentional disamblement of the valuable ... [ read the full article ]
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29. April 2010 @ 18:13 |
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Thank you, I want the other half of my ps3 back.
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slickwill
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29. April 2010 @ 18:41 |
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So basically what they want is a firmware update that will restore the other OS functionality..........and millions of dollars in damages....LOL
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29. April 2010 @ 18:55 |
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I'm not trying to defend Sony but I think that the ability for users to mod and pirate games sounds like a security concern to me.
As far as I know the GeoHot hack that may eventually lead the pirated games on the PS3 involves users compromising the security on the console using Linux. I'm not sure how the legal battle will/may go but that sounds like a legit excuse for Sony to suddenly remove OtherOS support.
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29. April 2010 @ 18:58 |
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quote: "and that Sony has broken the terms of its contract with these customers".
sony has definitely broken the terms of its contract with these customers so I can see reimburstment of some kind coming soon. what were they thinking. do sony really think they can get away with this "IMO" no they won't.
sony you cannot treat your consumers like a sewerpipe. it's time to clean this mess up.
quote: pop_smith; I'm not trying to defend Sony but I think that the ability for users to mod and pirate games sounds like a security concern to me.
you are missing the whole point. sony ps3 consumers paid for the ps3 with what was advertized on the box i.e other operating system, so these consumers went ahead and purchased this ps3 package because of what was advertized, and recieved such in their purchase. no company can sell you something and then decide to take it away from you at a later date.
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29. April 2010 @ 19:15 |
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Who gives that one person the right to sue for me? I don't mind that the feature is gone but if you trying to collect all the money one all of the owner around that time I think that we all will be expecting a cut of that evenly!
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brockie
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29. April 2010 @ 19:53 |
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Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
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29. April 2010 @ 20:08 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
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29. April 2010 @ 20:52 |
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Putting out a patch to remove the OtherOS will not make it harder to pirate games on the PS3. They would have not put that option in there on the first place.
The counterpoint to Sony can take anything they want in fine print. They basically came in without the owner's permission and removed a function from the device. It wasn't until people reboot their consoles did they find out what had happened.
This would end up being a successful class action suit and Sony would either settle out of court and pay lots of money and never reverse the patch.
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29. April 2010 @ 21:37 |
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meh, this will afect the 10 people that actually used it, and if they did they wouldnt update the damned thing.
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30. April 2010 @ 00:28 |
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Originally posted by Josipher:
Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
you did miss it its on the back of the box.
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30. April 2010 @ 03:22 |
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the class action should be for people who don't update coz they want to keep other os, but now can no longer play online, update games they've already purchased or buy from playstation network.
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30. April 2010 @ 03:35 |
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Is it just me or does anyone else know we only paid for a license to use consoles,games etc & we don't actually own them..lol..
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30. April 2010 @ 03:39 |
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Originally posted by Pop_Smith:
I'm not trying to defend Sony but I think that the ability for users to mod and pirate games sounds like a security concern to me.
As far as I know the GeoHot hack that may eventually lead the pirated games on the PS3 involves users compromising the security on the console using Linux. I'm not sure how the legal battle will/may go but that sounds like a legit excuse for Sony to suddenly remove OtherOS support.
It is highly doubtful that the GeoHot hack would ever lead to piracy. I thought it would at first, but after some research, it became clear that PS3 linux would not lead to anything piracy-related...a custom FW could in theory...but there was no CFW in the works until sony removed linux. Even if it could, the damage is already done; GeoHot already got an image of the rom anyway...so it isn't like blocking linux will prevent it from being distributed across the net.
More than that, removing OtherOS support DOES NOT remove linux capabilities from the backwards compatable units, as there is a special version of PS2 linux that can still be used AFAIK. This is interesting because the physical mods made by GeoHot were to force the memory to hold the PS3 OS...running PS2 linux would not require this physical mod.
And the last (most obvious) problem with saying that Linux was removed to prevent piracy is the fact that there are still many non-updated units out there, so any theoretical piracy development could continue anyway.
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Just read through the PDF...I think this has a shot, the only way it would fail is if some Sony-owned judge got the case. Page 17 is a demand for trial by jury...so hopefully that won't happen (but we know that a corrupt judge will lie to juries and block evidence...so Sony still might win)
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30. April 2010 @ 05:16 |
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is anyone else getting rather pi**ed off with corporations saying "do as we say" for a product WE purchased, if they gave it us for free they can dictate what we do, but they should have no right to dictate to us what we do with a product we have purchased outright.
Sorry folks but removing features & bundling DRM is sony's motto. imagine if you could play free games made by the community on the PS3, you'd be distracted from purchasing those overpriced, over-hyped titles that sony collects all them lovely royalties from, imagine if something like elite or populous was made to run on the PS3 by the community & given away for FREE omg, its sony's worst nightmare.
check out the link in my sig.
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30. April 2010 @ 06:05 |
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is there any way of doing this in the uk?
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30. April 2010 @ 06:17 |
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Yeah, the BBB and the FTC are nothing when compaired with the EU consumer protection agencies...you probably would not even have to file a lawsuit yourself; the agencies meant to protect you do more than just forwarding your complaint to Sony...just look at what they did to microsoft!
BTW...the BBB and FTC are useless. If I just wanted to send a complaint to Sony, I would have sent them an email directly! Why do they even exist if all they are going to do is to act as an email forwarding service?
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30. April 2010 @ 08:10 |
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I ceased using Sony after the rootkit fiasco.
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30. April 2010 @ 08:34 |
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30. April 2010 @ 10:14 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Josipher:
Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
you did miss it its on the back of the box.
it is in the terms of service im pretty sure ive seen it quoted before this was ever a issue with other updates...hope this idot loses money over this who cares about the other os anyway i had it but would never use it in my lifetime anyway.
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30. April 2010 @ 10:33 |
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Originally posted by Tecbot:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Josipher:
Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
you did miss it its on the back of the box.
it is in the terms of service im pretty sure ive seen it quoted before this was ever a issue with other updates...hope this idot loses money over this who cares about the other os anyway i had it but would never use it in my lifetime anyway.
The thousands of people that have clusters of PS3s doing research care about this. I know for a fact that there are parts of the US government that use PS3s to do number crunching because they are more efficient and cheaper than buying a PC.
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30. April 2010 @ 10:53 |
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Originally posted by elbald90:
is there any way of doing this in the uk?
yes, under the sale of goods 1999 goods must perform as advertised, since sony removed either your other os or most of the rest of your ps3 functionality it now breaches this law, dont worry about sonys terms of service or end user licence agreement as those are illegal if they attempt to circumvent the law which in this case they do.
in the meantime you need to contact consumer direct to make a formal complaint, contact bbc watchdog to get publicity and lastly you need to contact the retailer you purchased your phat ps3 from, it is them who are responsible and after a couple of emails trying to fob you off they will offer you around £70-80 as a refund or store credit to compensate for the loss of features, companies like amazon and game / gamestation have alrrady set the precedent for this.
it may also be worthwhile noting that at present the uk office of fair trading have also passed this issue to their solicitors and a second class action suit is currently being prepared in new jersey in the usa.
just remember if you bought any phat ps3 you paid for the other os feature even if you did not use it ever and sony have no right to remove something you paid for, the security of the ps3 is sonys problem not yours so that is not a valid excuse.
link to the proof of game / gamestation paying out...
http://www.maxconsole.net/content.php?39...ce-of-customer!
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30. April 2010 @ 11:47 |
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Originally posted by hendrix04:
Originally posted by Tecbot:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Josipher:
Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
you did miss it its on the back of the box.
it is in the terms of service im pretty sure ive seen it quoted before this was ever a issue with other updates...hope this idot loses money over this who cares about the other os anyway i had it but would never use it in my lifetime anyway.
The thousands of people that have clusters of PS3s doing research care about this. I know for a fact that there are parts of the US government that use PS3s to do number crunching because they are more efficient and cheaper than buying a PC.
i care as well. i too use the OtherOS feature to do homebrew. i could just as easily do it on PC. just something about a controller you cant shake the feeling.
i believe the removal of OtherOS is a result of clustering. i can hear IBM and other SC manufactures bitching. which would you buy A 300 dollar playstation or a 3000+ dollar piece of equipment
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30. April 2010 @ 11:47 |
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Originally posted by hendrix04:
Originally posted by Tecbot:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Josipher:
Originally posted by brockie:
Sony can add or take away what they want read the small print.
lol would be pretty funny if your right and he missed it. though i doubt it
you did miss it its on the back of the box.
it is in the terms of service im pretty sure ive seen it quoted before this was ever a issue with other updates...hope this idot loses money over this who cares about the other os anyway i had it but would never use it in my lifetime anyway.
The thousands of people that have clusters of PS3s doing research care about this. I know for a fact that there are parts of the US government that use PS3s to do number crunching because they are more efficient and cheaper than buying a PC.
Those thousands of people/goverment/research centers that are using the PS3 for clusters are not playing PSN games online and do not need to accept the update to remove OS. They did not loose anything.
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30. April 2010 @ 12:10 |
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I have always heard there hadn't been much piracy/hacking due to respect for Sony allowing Linux and etc to be used. Guess the gloves are off now and I expect them to be haced like the Wii and XBox 360 very soon. Maybe I'll buy one then? lol
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30. April 2010 @ 12:39 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It is highly doubtful that the GeoHot hack would ever lead to piracy. I thought it would at first, but after some research, it became clear that PS3 linux would not lead to anything piracy-related...a custom FW could in theory...but there was no CFW in the works until sony removed linux. Even if it could, the damage is already done; GeoHot already got an image of the rom anyway...so it isn't like blocking linux will prevent it from being distributed across the net.
Ah I see. Thanks for clearing this up for me. :)
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