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Hurt Locker producer files suit against 5000 alleged pirates
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article published on 29 May, 2010
In early May we reported that "Hurt Locker" producer Voltage Pictures was preparing to sue thousands of alleged pirates for downloading the film online.
This week, that suit has come to fruition, with Voltage suing 5000 unidentified pirates accused of downloading the 2009 Best Picture.
Says the suit: "A Defendant's distribution of even one unlawful copy of a motion picture can result ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by manolet:
OK, so now let us presume that one of us is caught downloading big files from the internet, with the help of these servers. Now how would the "Hurt Locker" lawyers prove that this particular movie was the one downloaded. Remember that the producers' case would be against a specific downloading of the "Hurt Locker" movie. The case they will build will be a case relevant to this movie and nothing else. They still have to prove that the files downloaded were this movie's files.
Also, they have to prove that the source of the file (if they can determine which ip address is the source, is the source of this movie, and nothing else.
Even if one is caught with the movie in his possession, the source has to be pointed out. In other words, the case will need a source of the "Hurt Locker" movie, the transmission apparatus, time and duration transmitted, the ip address of the receiver of the files, and the disc generated by these files.
Their lawyers may have to prove that there has been proper security to prevent such pirate downloads, because if security is lax, or there has been no security at all, then the courts may decide that the producers are actually throwing the movie to the pirates.
It will be a big headache for the lawyers to catch even one culprit. I do not say that nobody will get caught. If they really are persistent in bringing one to court, they will bring one to court eventually.
Think about it this way, a download of a movie does not necessarily mean that the producers will lose money from this particular download. This will only be true if it is presumed that if there were no download of this movie, the one who failed to download it will go and pay to watch the movie. What about the presumption that the movie itself is not good enough to pay for?
But while we are talking about what the producers have threatened to accomplish, why don't we just wait and see if they will catch somebody.
In answer to your question "Now how would the "Hurt Locker" lawyers prove that this particular movie was the one downloaded", and I mean this respectively. When you click a link on any P2P site file, the Header of that file is stored in your "Partial Folder" on Your computer. This is so that the file is put together from the Chunks you download from various other Sources.
For instance "Avatar" will have the Header "Avatar.DVDRip.Uploader.2010.avi". This information is visible to ISP's and to you.
If and when the Courts get these details from the ISP, which can sometimes be declined through the Human Right of Anonymity and privacy laws in place today, that is how The Man will know you have downloaded their product.
In my opinion it will cost this Lying Director about $17 million dollars to take them to court, then he'll cry some more about how P2P ruined him.
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the film only grossed $17 million USD domestic in theaters.
Yeah, and how much did they make worldwide?
.... and how much on DVD?
.... and how much on legitimate download?
..... and how much on TV deals?
..... and how much on Blu-ray?
They think people are stupid and will swallow their ridiculous 'poor me...' tales.
They'll pick a few examples ('pirates? don't make me laugh) to ruin to hold up to try and scare the rest with.
Meanwhile the real 'pirates' (ie those producing and selling a physical copy) will carry on regardless.
Thank God I don't live in the USA with that stupid lunatic mess that is the US interpretation of copyright.
Well said, and I really do agree with what your saying. The facts I believe are Primary and not overall, as I have pointed out in my own reply to this article, the film made $40,016,144 Gross and that is the official amount given to Wikipedia.
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Your talking about MAC addresses each network hardware has it's own MAC address this is passed around within the packet.
You can change it to another MAC address via the internal software that comes on a router etc, as sometime you'll want another MAC address say on a UNI network and you have to give your MAC address of your router to the network admins instead of giving the new MAC address you can change it to the old dead hardware and thus pass through the firewall.
People spoof cable modem MAC address to get freebie cable net but you have to know what the other MAC address is you have to piggyback packets etc, it generally doesn't work these days as the headend now handles the MAC addresses and not the end user anymore.
Proxy server, keep all packets on them so you could/can sniff through all the packets on the server or sniff packets going to/from that proxy servers IP address, that's how you see who doing what on the TOR networks because the gateway server's aren't protected at all and you can simply packet sniff to your hearts content, it's probably worse to use the TOR network as it real easy to bust people using those networks.
Not all people have an IP address, if your behind a router then your IP address doesn't exist on the net and never will because it can't be routed on the net, any IP range with in the 10.0.0.0-255 and 192.168.0.1-255 and some others can't be routed on the net in other words if you send them out they will only get to your ISP headend and that's it.
Routers piggyback your pretend non-routable IP address on one that can be routed and that is passed with in the packet as well otherwise the returning packets won't get back to your computer and end up lost or dropped on the net.
Everything is traceable on the net you can't really get out of it because you need an IP address to send stuff to and also to get stuff back, but open servers also allow people to look into and see what your doing and torrent servers are open servers.
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why would I want to do that jemborg? They will be in enough trouble and wont need me to rub it in saying that "I Told You So" ... which I would not do even if I could.
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Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!
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Originally posted by xtago:
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Your talking about MAC addresses each network hardware has it's own MAC address this is passed around within the packet.
You can change it to another MAC address via the internal software that comes on a router etc, as sometime you'll want another MAC address say on a UNI network and you have to give your MAC address of your router to the network admins instead of giving the new MAC address you can change it to the old dead hardware and thus pass through the firewall.
People spoof cable modem MAC address to get freebie cable net but you have to know what the other MAC address is you have to piggyback packets etc, it generally doesn't work these days as the headend now handles the MAC addresses and not the end user anymore.
Proxy server, keep all packets on them so you could/can sniff through all the packets on the server or sniff packets going to/from that proxy servers IP address, that's how you see who doing what on the TOR networks because the gateway server's aren't protected at all and you can simply packet sniff to your hearts content, it's probably worse to use the TOR network as it real easy to bust people using those networks.
Not all people have an IP address, if your behind a router then your IP address doesn't exist on the net and never will because it can't be routed on the net, any IP range with in the 10.0.0.0-255 and 192.168.0.1-255 and some others can't be routed on the net in other words if you send them out they will only get to your ISP headend and that's it.
Routers piggyback your pretend non-routable IP address on one that can be routed and that is passed with in the packet as well otherwise the returning packets won't get back to your computer and end up lost or dropped on the net.
Everything is traceable on the net you can't really get out of it because you need an IP address to send stuff to and also to get stuff back, but open servers also allow people to look into and see what your doing and torrent servers are open servers.
Xtago....no offense man but you are dangerous with what little you know. Even if you are behind a router...your ISP logs this routers ID as well as the server that you connect to. All the people need to do is take this ID and go to a list that the US Justice Department keeps and type in the numbers...that will tell them the make and the model and maker of the router and then where this router was sent..ie to what store. They contact that store and they now have a sales receipt of who bought it and leading right back to your home. Just because you are behind a router does not make you bullet proof dude!
And no I am not talking about a MAC address. If I ment a MAC address I would have said that. Check with intel and they will tell you that each and every chip in each and every PC/mac/laptop/netbook/etc ALL place an individual ID code on each transaction that is done on the net no matter what it is. How do you think they were able to hunt down and nail the people running the pre-release music site that you had to know someone to get an invite and even then had to go through a background check to join. It was called Hogg or Snort or Pigg or some such and was based in Cleveland Ohio. They not only nailed the head of this by backtracking him via this code...but they nailed each and every person who was a member of this group as well! This was reported in the USA Today national newspaper and the final thing the agent said in the story was "With this code, if we want you..we got you. There is no longer any place to hide."
So as I said...you log onto your neighbors WiFi and he can nail you even if you think your being sneaky as my brother traced a connection to his computer right back to our local college AND right to the user of the account all because of computer logs that this person seemingly did not know how to remove to hide his tracks. The FBI and Interpol used this code I am speaking of to destroy three international pedophile groups that passed child porn back and forth between them...with one being a high ranking member of the English Government and another being a member of the Canadian Government.
In closing, let me tell you something. I was in the military with a security clearance of Cosmic Top Secret. In short my security clearance was one step below what the US President has! The reason I tell you this is that all you need to do is rent two movies...Untraceable with Diane Ladd and Enemy of the State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. Now look at the equipment they use in the movies. That was STANDARD EQUIPMENT for the US Military and Secret Service back in 1985!!! The US Government is already 6 steps ahead of you right now. They already have Internet 4 connections with a transfer rate of 10GBPS! They already have a petabyte hard drive and are working on a zetabyte hard drive. Their computers can do 287.9 TRILLION computations per second where at best your latest an most modded overclocked home computer and server can do maybe 2 million computations per second. Not to mention they have forgot more about computing then you or I will ever know in 3000 lifetimes. Dont believe me? Take a trip to Ft Mead Maryland. Now look at all the acres and acres they have of sat dishes and receivers. They are not using them for their health bubba.
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5. June 2010 @ 16:33 |
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Originally posted by xtago:
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Your talking about MAC addresses each network hardware has it's own MAC address this is passed around within the packet.
You can change it to another MAC address via the internal software that comes on a router etc, as sometime you'll want another MAC address say on a UNI network and you have to give your MAC address of your router to the network admins instead of giving the new MAC address you can change it to the old dead hardware and thus pass through the firewall.
People spoof cable modem MAC address to get freebie cable net but you have to know what the other MAC address is you have to piggyback packets etc, it generally doesn't work these days as the headend now handles the MAC addresses and not the end user anymore.
Proxy server, keep all packets on them so you could/can sniff through all the packets on the server or sniff packets going to/from that proxy servers IP address, that's how you see who doing what on the TOR networks because the gateway server's aren't protected at all and you can simply packet sniff to your hearts content, it's probably worse to use the TOR network as it real easy to bust people using those networks.
Not all people have an IP address, if your behind a router then your IP address doesn't exist on the net and never will because it can't be routed on the net, any IP range with in the 10.0.0.0-255 and 192.168.0.1-255 and some others can't be routed on the net in other words if you send them out they will only get to your ISP headend and that's it.
Routers piggyback your pretend non-routable IP address on one that can be routed and that is passed with in the packet as well otherwise the returning packets won't get back to your computer and end up lost or dropped on the net.
Everything is traceable on the net you can't really get out of it because you need an IP address to send stuff to and also to get stuff back, but open servers also allow people to look into and see what your doing and torrent servers are open servers.
Xtago....no offense man but you are dangerous with what little you know. Even if you are behind a router...your ISP logs this routers ID as well as the server that you connect to. All the people need to do is take this ID and go to a list that the US Justice Department keeps and type in the numbers...that will tell them the make and the model and maker of the router and then where this router was sent..ie to what store. They contact that store and they now have a sales receipt of who bought it and leading right back to your home. Just because you are behind a router does not make you bullet proof dude!
And no I am not talking about a MAC address. If I ment a MAC address I would have said that. Check with intel and they will tell you that each and every chip in each and every PC/mac/laptop/netbook/etc ALL place an individual ID code on each transaction that is done on the net no matter what it is. How do you think they were able to hunt down and nail the people running the pre-release music site that you had to know someone to get an invite and even then had to go through a background check to join. It was called Hogg or Snort or Pigg or some such and was based in Cleveland Ohio. They not only nailed the head of this by backtracking him via this code...but they nailed each and every person who was a member of this group as well! This was reported in the USA Today national newspaper and the final thing the agent said in the story was "With this code, if we want you..we got you. There is no longer any place to hide."
So as I said...you log onto your neighbors WiFi and he can nail you even if you think your being sneaky as my brother traced a connection to his computer right back to our local college AND right to the user of the account all because of computer logs that this person seemingly did not know how to remove to hide his tracks. The FBI and Interpol used this code I am speaking of to destroy three international pedophile groups that passed child porn back and forth between them...with one being a high ranking member of the English Government and another being a member of the Canadian Government.
In closing, let me tell you something. I was in the military with a security clearance of Cosmic Top Secret. In short my security clearance was one step below what the US President has! The reason I tell you this is that all you need to do is rent two movies...Untraceable with Diane Ladd and Enemy of the State with Will Smith and Gene Hackman. Now look at the equipment they use in the movies. That was STANDARD EQUIPMENT for the US Military and Secret Service back in 1985!!! The US Government is already 6 steps ahead of you right now. They already have Internet 4 connections with a transfer rate of 10GBPS! They already have a petabyte hard drive and are working on a zetabyte hard drive. Their computers can do 287.9 TRILLION computations per second where at best your latest an most modded overclocked home computer and server can do maybe 2 million computations per second. Not to mention they have forgot more about computing then you or I will ever know in 3000 lifetimes. Dont believe me? Take a trip to Ft Mead Maryland. Now look at all the acres and acres they have of sat dishes and receivers. They are not using them for their health bubba.
(Processor Serial Number)or PSN is whati believe your referring to as the ID.
Routers don't ID incoming or out going query's the only Identification that exists is the MAC address of machines connected to your Router and some don't even do that.
10GBPS!!! wow that's slow its no wonder it takes them so long to contact fema when a disaster hits. jokes aside you isp is sitting on a back bone that does 100x a measly 10GBPS
all those dish's in fort mead are used for Satcom Operations, which range from Foreign affairs to identifying all Satellites in orbit not to mention its on a closed network. there not going to use those to ID Joe Shmoe, especially with the costs it takes to simply turn those behemoths. they have other more cost effective means to do that.
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LOL, your talking about MAC addresses. from wiki.
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In computer networking, a Media Access Control address (MAC address) is a unique identifier assigned to most network adapters or network interface cards (NICs) by the manufacturer for identification, and used in the Media Access Control protocol sub-layer. If assigned by the manufacturer, a MAC address usually encodes the manufacturer's registered identification number. It may also be known as an Ethernet Hardware Address (EHA), hardware address, adapter address, or physical address.
There are three numbering spaces, managed by the Institute of Electrical and Electronics Engineers (IEEE), which are in common use for formulating a MAC address: MAC-48, EUI-48, and EUI-64. The IEEE claims trademarks on the names "EUI-48" and "EUI-64", where "EUI" stands for Extended Unique Identifier.
Although intended to be a permanent and globally unique identification, it is possible to change the MAC address on most of today's hardware, an action often referred to as MAC spoofing. Unlike IP address spoofing, where a sender spoofing their address in a request tricks the other party into sending the response elsewhere, in MAC address spoofing, the response is received by the spoofing party. However, MAC address spoofing is limited to the local broadcast domain.
A host cannot determine from the MAC address of another host whether that host is on the same OSI Layer 2 or Data Link Layer network segment as the sending host, or on a network segment bridged to that network segment.
In TCP/IP networks, the MAC address of a subnet interface can be queried with the IP address (OSI Layer 3) using the Address Resolution Protocol (ARP) for Internet Protocol Version 4 (IPv4) or the Neighbor Discovery Protocol (NDP) for IPv6. On broadcast networks, such as Ethernet, the MAC address uniquely identifies each node on that segment and allows frames to be marked for specific hosts. It thus forms the basis of most of the Link layer (OSI Layer 2) networking upon which upper layer protocols rely to produce complex, functioning networks.
The site your referring to is Onik.
It got taken down because there were cops on there tracing where the site was and who owned the server/web domain.
They sued the site owner, I don't think anyone else got sued as they wanted the site taken down which it is now.
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In closing, let me tell you something. I was in the military with a security clearance of Cosmic Top Secret. In short my security clearance was one step below what the US President has!
WOW! your pretty low in the food chain aren't you then, as there's 36 levels above the president and all those levels have been hacked decades ago.
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The Hurt Locker:
Production Budget: $15 million
Total Lifetime Grosses:
Domestic: $16,400,000 (as of 21 March 2010)
+ Foreign: $32,193,078 (as of 16 May 2010)
= Worldwide: $48,593,078
U.S. Release Totals:
Widest Release: 535 theaters
In Release: 185 days / 26.4 weeks
Put the movie out to a wider release, then I'm sure they would have made more money.
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Tell the truth, I'm not so interested in crappy theatre recorded movies as I am in TV programs we are years behind in Oz.
You still have to determine that file-sharing is actually theft and that in the USA you can only legally sue for damages in a civil suit... so that could be argued to be the cost of the ticket and nothing more, even if you had inadvertently made the file available for others to download at the same time (you can't be responsible for their actions).
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Sorry DXR88, routers do INDEED have an ID number and any ISP will tell you the same thing. This is what is so frustrating is when you tell someone something they refuse to believe it even when it can be documented with a 5 sec check. Sorta like back in 1995 when we were telling people that you could include links to items in jpegs and mpegs and they refused to believe it...right up till a national news story on ABC News as well as CNN confirmed what we had been saying for over a year.
Maybe you should have checked first before answering?
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I dont know if routers have an ID number or not but i do know everytime i connect or disconnect to the internet my ISP is fully aware of it so there is a way of tracking it.
@jemborg i know what you mean about the tv i live in OZ and have seen countless repeats of simpsons,southpark and topgear and many other shows.on the othernote we are ahead in home and away and neighbours.
As for piracy its not officially stealing a product but it is stealing data.well technically it isnt even stealing its more copying/cloning.if you copy something that has been made by someone and copyrighted by them you can be prosecuted unless you have their written permission.
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And if they can track when you came on and when you log off, they can track you. No if's and's or buts about it. And if your ISP can track you...what makes anyone think for one second that the RIAA or MPAA could not do the same thing with the billions they have to spend on equipment that we can only dream of and drool over
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Sorry DXR88, routers do INDEED have an ID number and any ISP will tell you the same thing. This is what is so frustrating is when you tell someone something they refuse to believe it even when it can be documented with a 5 sec check. Sorta like back in 1995 when we were telling people that you could include links to items in jpegs and mpegs and they refused to believe it...right up till a national news story on ABC News as well as CNN confirmed what we had been saying for over a year.
Maybe you should have checked first before answering?
proof please link it, because i'm the dumbest person on the net do your part and educate me.
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Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!
Why do you believe that I am not serious about what I said,Dad.
Assuming that they found a "hurt Locker' dvd in my possession, for some improbable reason that they did without first searching my place; and this movie has yet six months to go after it comes out, there are some things to be proved first before criminal charges are laid on me.
First, it must be proven that this dvd was stolen, and I did not just find it in the trash can or somebody just gave it to me as a gift. If this was indeed stolen, there must be proof that there are other copies to prove that it was stolen from the producers, who must then show as proof that they have other identical copies of this dvd. Otherwise, it was not stolen from them.
Second, there must be evidence of INTENTIONAL stealing of the dvd, or the rights to the dvd, and that I meant to keep the dvd and not throw it away instantly.
Third, it must be proven that I did the encoding/burning of the dvd MYSELF; even if the files to be burnt are in my pc, which I doubt it would still be there after six months or so, and that the judge will issue a warrant for such an suspicion of unqualified theft.
Fourth, I don't know why I would lug around such a dvd six months before the movie comes out, and even if I did carry it around, why would I brandish it for the producers to see?
Fifth, there must be such a thing as shutting my trap if I were caught. It is my right to clam up and let them show their evidence. if there be a doubt, even how small is the doubt, I won't be convicted for causing the producers of "Hurt Locker" to lose millions of dollars in revenue from one dvd which I found in the trash can six months before the movie comes out.
But if you really miss these points, Dad, then I am afraid you are still young in years, Dad.
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HEY! If Daniel_1 certifies that the military has all those superfast and super-powerful computers,then our prime suspects for stealing movies are those from the military!
They can do this by intercepting the .vob files sent to other international partners.
Makes sense, no?
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Frankly, I did not like the movie that much. It beats me how it won the Award.
Perhaps the Award was meant to give the movie a boost at the biox-office.
But I must admit, the controversy that the producers started is now giving the movie a better billing than before internationally.
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No need to link it DXR88, fire up that router and then contact your ISP and see if they have you on line. You have to have an ISP ID to connect to the net unless you are wealthy enough to be able to pay better then $12,000.00 a year to have your own direct access to the net as ISP's do Therefor your Router MUST "shake hands" with the ISP server, and they MUST have someway to know it is you. Therefor it does not take a rocket scientist to understand that the router MUST have some sort of an ID.
Oh and BTW, check with motorola.com and they will tell you the same thing I just did.
Dont see why this is seemingly so hard for you to believe.
Oh and manolet...dude we have sat's that can read a license plate from 200 miles up as well as count the dimples on a golf ball. Not to mention being able to snatch your calls and emails right out of the eather and read them and then send them on so that you dont even know they have done it. Since you want to be sarcastic about my reply...maybe you should read up on internet 4 http://www.internet4classrooms.com/ (transfer rate 10GBPS) or this http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=535 and remember that most ISP's that are used at home are level 2 where dialup's are level 1.
And you need to get real. The SR-71 Blackbird Stealth Bomber's flight computer is 10 times more powerful; and faster then anything you have or can buy and that plane is decommissioned meaning the USAF and the US Govt have something better. And that is called the Aurora SR-X Hypersonic Spy Plane which has speeds starting at Mach 5.4 (3600 mph) to as high as Mach 13.64 or 9000 mph and the computers for that are 10 times more powerful then the ones for the SR-71, thus making them 20 times more powerful then any computer you can buy or make. They have to be to keep the pilots from being turned into mush by g-forces.
And with all that, are you STILL doubting they have faster and better computers then you ever will?
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well the government has an unlimited amount of money.well some governments seem to have.yes a latest state of the art military plane might be able to travel at 3600mph but how fast can it send an email and who has the skill levels to fly at 3600mph and type an email at the same time???comparing an aircraft to a home computer is pointless as they do different things and are built for different purposes.i have no doubt the government has the ability to listen in to phone calls and emails but if they have a sat that can read a number plate from 200miles away and can read the dimples on a golf ball why are people still getting away with crime???the government can have all the technology they want but if they dont use it properly its pointless.
BTW:i didnt like the hurt locker watched an hour of it and thought ive wasted an hour of my life.
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Not pointless xboxdvl2, it is just showing the disbelievers that the government can indeed and does indeed have faster and more powerful computers then these readers can dream of having. And you do have to have some skill to fly this plane, but the computer helps out quite a bit in setting vectors and turn radius instead of you doing it in your head like the old bi-plane pilots had to do. And the other point xboxdvl2 is that if they can make these computers that fast and powerful...then why would they stop at just these? They already have hand held computers that have a 500GB solid state hard drive for int the field.
Manolet started this all with a sarcastic reply about the Gov pirating movies and downloading them. my whole point was to show him and others that the Gov has these computers and to show him that if they wanted you, they got you no matter what precautions you tried to take as every time you come up with one, the Gov has already got a work around or will have one very soon after.
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Mez
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7. June 2010 @ 11:58 |
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Manolet started this all with a sarcastic reply about the Gov pirating movies and downloading them. my whole point was to show him and others that the Gov has these computers and to show him that if they wanted you, they got you no matter what precautions you tried to take as every time you come up with one, the Gov has already got a work around or will have one very soon after.
Yes even a small government has vast resources. Yes they could, but governments usually obey their own laws unless there is an urgency. Most bureaucrats do not take chances that is how they keep their jobs.
Yes, anyone who thinks they can't be had is truly foolish. I have also seen foolishness on the other side. Very non technical persons thinking that there is a magic address that a god like government can put you in there sites and there is no way out. You can change your mac address by buying a new network card. For that reason they are useless for an identity.
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7. June 2010 @ 12:54 |
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You know DXR asks you for a simple link and you give this (a sample)...
Originally posted by Daniel_1:
...Oh and manolet...dude we have sat's that can read a license plate from 200 miles up as well as count the dimples on a golf ball. Not to mention being able to snatch your calls and emails right out of the eather and read them and then send them on so that you dont even know they have done it. Since you want to be sarcastic about my reply...maybe you should read up on internet 4 http://www.internet4classrooms.com/ (transfer rate 10GBPS) or this http://www.level3.com/index.cfm?pageID=535 and remember that most ISP's that are used at home are level 2 where dialup's are level 1.
And you need to get real. The SR-71 Blackbird Stealth Bomber's flight computer is 10 times more powerful; and faster then anything you have or can buy and that plane is decommissioned meaning the USAF and the US Govt have something better. And that is called the Aurora SR-X Hypersonic Spy Plane which has speeds starting at Mach 5.4 (3600 mph) to as high as Mach 13.64 or 9000 mph and the computers for that are 10 times more powerful then the ones for the SR-71, thus making them 20 times more powerful then any computer you can buy or make. They have to be to keep the pilots from being turned into mush by g-forces.
And with all that, are you STILL doubting they have faster and better computers then you ever will?
Someone's been jerking you around in your last job Dan, atmospheric interference will not allow the reading of number plates and the counting of golf ball dimples at 200 miles up. LOL Yes, you can pick out vehicle types, count troop numbers etc... but not that. And who the heck brought up computer speed what the hell does that have to do with it? So what? That has not been the debate at all. Though I suspect that has been an exaggeration too. Why? you don't need aircraft computers that fast to do that job... even though from your description they defy Moore's Law, the ridiculous manned flight speeds you describe would involve scramjets and they are in their utter infancy (here I want a link to the craft you mention) and everyone knows NSA supercomputing is carried out by Ncube arrays nowadays... the components don't have to be that powerful (how do you think Google is so quick?). It just comes across as obfuscation, all this "wow" factor. Makes me think your not on the level.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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Mez
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7. June 2010 @ 13:45 |
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I guess it might be a beat on Dan day...
Jemborg, good point about atmospheric aberrations. They are what you see when you look at things far off while looking across hot ground. At 200 miles off, freezing cold will still have those ripples in the air. If you could count the dimples on a golf ball from a satellite photo that would be something. Even the spy plane photos are not close to that good. You can read license plates if you are lucky. Dan if satellite photos are so fine why does the US still use spy plains. The Blackbird was not a bomber but a spy plane that has been out of commission for a decade.
Computer speed! Mine just sits there.
Dan, you really need to be more careful before you write stuff like that where many persons that know more than you will read your foolishness. I am guessing you really don't know what your are talking about while I think Jemborg figures you are talking nonsense on purpose.
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7. June 2010 @ 14:10 |
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Mez, it's not even about hot or cold but the inherent Brownian motion of gas/fluids. Atmospheric Interference is the term given to the phenomenon in astronomy.
Its a lot easier being righteous than right.
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7. June 2010 @ 17:13 |
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!
To nip this 'Misconception' in the bud right now, what you have just written would scare the bejesus out of a ten year old downloading his weekly fix of Glee, High School Musical The Series or Drake & Josh. In the real world, and that includes the UK, there is a "Right" to possess a copy of any film, as long as there are never two copies of the same film found in a person's possession.
Authoring Software has never been illegal in any country, because whether you want to call it State Right, Human Right or Constitutional Right, you are allowed to back up any movie to DVD, VHS [if you're still stuck in the 80's] or BluRay [If you can afford the Burners]. And before anyone begins to say that it IS illegal! Talk with any solicitor or lawyer and they will tell you, the only way that you can be prosecuted for copyright theft is by leaving downloaded material in your P2P Clients Folder, or if you have more than one copy of a film.
Example: A downloaded copy of Resident Evil 3: Afterlife is left in your Incoming Folder and is detected or found by the DTI/MPAA or whoever, you will be prosecuted to the highest degree.
If you download it and move the material to somewhere [anywhere] on your computer, then the crisis is over. In other words, whatever cannot be detected on your computer from the internet is safe from getting the downloader into trouble.
Latest estimates claim that more than 20 million Brits download illegally in the UK, in the US, illegal downloading is off the charts, and yet only 8% of Americans are prosecuted, next to 3% in the UK. Now who's scared?
Say What You Mean - Mean What You Say.
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