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Hurt Locker producer files suit against 5000 alleged pirates
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article published on 29 May, 2010
In early May we reported that "Hurt Locker" producer Voltage Pictures was preparing to sue thousands of alleged pirates for downloading the film online.
This week, that suit has come to fruition, with Voltage suing 5000 unidentified pirates accused of downloading the 2009 Best Picture.
Says the suit: "A Defendant's distribution of even one unlawful copy of a motion picture can result ... [ read the full article ]
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Manolet...are you serious or just yanking peoples chain? If they caught you in posession of this movie and it was not out on dvd yet then at the very least they can charge you with possession of stolen items and force you under oath to tell where you got it from. As such you would still be looking at jail time. And they could even make the claim that you were the one that posted it originally as you have a copy of it. Maybe that would or wold not stick...who knows. But once you have been charged, then they are damn sure going to impound your computer and check the internet logs and that will fry you in a heartbeat as it will show how when and where you got this. So if you get caught with this...you're dead meat son!
To nip this 'Misconception' in the bud right now, what you have just written would scare the bejesus out of a ten year old downloading his weekly fix of Glee, High School Musical The Series or Drake & Josh. In the real world, and that includes the UK, there is a "Right" to possess a copy of any film, as long as there are never two copies of the same film found in a person's possession.
Authoring Software has never been illegal in any country, because whether you want to call it State Right, Human Right or Constitutional Right, you are allowed to back up any movie to DVD, VHS [if you're still stuck in the 80's] or BluRay [If you can afford the Burners]. And before anyone begins to say that it IS illegal! Talk with any solicitor or lawyer and they will tell you, the only way that you can be prosecuted for copyright theft is by leaving downloaded material in your P2P Clients Folder, or if you have more than one copy of a film.
Example: A downloaded copy of Resident Evil 3: Afterlife is left in your Incoming Folder and is detected or found by the DTI/MPAA or whoever, you will be prosecuted to the highest degree.
If you download it and move the material to somewhere [anywhere] on your computer, then the crisis is over. In other words, whatever cannot be detected on your computer from the internet is safe from getting the downloader into trouble.
Latest estimates claim that more than 20 million Brits download illegally in the UK, in the US, illegal downloading is off the charts, and yet only 8% of Americans are prosecuted, next to 3% in the UK. Now who's scared?
Download folder? Upload Folder? they still have those. all my downloads go to Documents\P2P\(type of file) then to EXT_C:\P2P\(file type) after i unlock the drive and decrypt information. then EXT_C: goes into a special place that dynamite would have a hard time getting into.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Mez, it's not even about hot or cold but the inherent Brownian motion of gas/fluids. Atmospheric Interference is the term given to the phenomenon in astronomy.
It is the exact same phenomenon except one is looking up and the other down.
Here is a good example of Atmospheric Interference. The more air you go through or the more magnification, the worse it gets. 200 miles with enough magnification to see dimples on a golf ball
Pentax PAIR (Pentax Atmospheric interference reduction) long range zoom lens 55X 12-1680mm
Yes, it can be reduced but that was only 55x at maybe a 1/2 mile.
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More usefull info,study.!
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More usefull info,study.!
technically we are studying.mez and jemborg are teaching each other and discussing atmospheric interference.other people on this site are learning various things and discussing how to do things,technology,news what products to buy even i was discussion whats wrong with my car.A discussion is a a more entertaining way to learn and teach and see differenet perspectives.
@daniel a basic computer is to do computer stuff and run by a cpu.an aircraft is run by an engine not a cpu.comparing an engine to a cpu doesnt work as they are measured differently and have different purposes.comparing the purposes of an aircrafts cpu and a computer users cpu could be done.
BTW:this is a good discussion but we are all getting very offtopic.starting a discussion on what government technologies are in safety valve might be more appropiate.
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@ Mez good video. The sort of minimum atmospheric interference that you have to deal with at least, up or down, I was talking about is due to Brownian motion but what you say is important. I should have written, "...it's not just about hot or cold..."
Yes, this is outwardly off-topic but still responses to a post of Daniel_1 were he seems to go off the deep end. Basically I was wondering what of his other pronouncements could be trusted under the circumstances.
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No one is fooling me jemborg, here is your link to a scientific site that clearly shows what the sat cameras can do http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journ...ETRY=1&SRETRY=0 and these are just the ones that the Government allows you to access. Do you honestly think for one second that they would allow you access to the top secret spy sats they have there? Of better yet, please explan how they were able to take a picture of a group on the ground and know that this was Bin Laden from 200 miles up? That photo was shown all; over CNN and MSNBC and the other alphabet soup news companies and channels. Guess that disproves what you stated. Oh and BTW the simple little archer fish shows that you dont know what your talking about. The fish is underwater and lights bends there, yet the fish can accurately spit a stream of water up and out and hit a bug on a branch or in flight, knocking it back in to the water for it's meal. Using what you stated about motion of gas/fluids, this simple little action would be impossible, yet here it is. And you need to bone up on your astronomy before using terms that you have no idea what they mean. Atmospheric Interference is NOT used in astronomy...
(¦at·mə¦sfir·ik ′in·tər′fir·əns)
(geophysics) Electromagnetic radiation, caused by natural electrical disturbances in the atmosphere, which interferes with radio systems. Also known as atmospherics; sferics; strays.
in short this deals ONLY with screwing up radio signals, not photography. In Astronomy this is called "LIGHT POLLUTION" and is the reason that telescopes are on top of mountains as the light from the surrounding areas messes about with the picture. BUT this only goes from ground up, not sky down. Any astronomer will tell you the same thing
Again Mez, if they want you they have you. Oink thought they were safe a it was an intro only group...yet the Gov came in and not only closed them down, but nailed EVERY member of that group. How did they do it? Simple, the FBI proudly states they did this by SERVER LOGS!!! And I bet that quite a few of them used routers or Hide IP or some such nonsense thinking they were safe. Now they know different.
As I said I was in the military and my security clearance (Cosmic Top Secret)lets me know about items that you have no idea exists. These have been declassified so I can pass these along to you. Think Buck Rogers and his ray gun are fantasy? Think again! The US Military will be introducing backpack laser pistols and rifles inside of the next 4 years for their delta force and some special forces units. Think you need a glider to glide now? Think Again! They now have a glider suit/wing suit that allows you to darn near fly http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...9-wingsuit.html the US Government has already adapted this with a small chemical rocket that greatly extends the limit of this suit. Special forces already use a form of this for their actions instead of parachutes.
As you can see, I am not yanking anyones chain here...but if you sre silly enough to think you can bypass or elude the Government if they really want you, hey..be my guest. Just be sure to let us know what jail you are in so we can ship you some soap on a rope.
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DXR88, you are correct. Making copies of stuff you bought is a right given to you by the US Supreme Court in the Betamax decision back in the 70's. On the other hand, in Canada AND the US it IS illegal to own the software that allows you to do this. The fact of the matter is that the legal issues in many countries are not yet fully resolved. In the USA, for example, it is legal to make a backup of an audio CD but (possibly?) not of a video DVD. The crucial American legislation is the Digital Millennium Copyright Act of 1998 which outlaws devices or services aimed at circumventing copyright protection technologies. This law appears to be somewhat fuzzy around the edges, however. In 2004, a San Francisco federal judge ruled that some DVD copying products from a company called 321 Studios were illegal on the grounds that they circumvented CSS (Content Scrambling System) encryption technology. The San Francisco ruling did not, however, state that DVD copying itself was illegal. 321 Studio responded by releasing a new DVD copying product without decryption. But very few commercially available DVD movies lack CSS encryption, so it is not surprising that this product failed to achieve the popularity of its predecessor. 321 Studio subsequently ceased operations.
A similarly named product called 123 Copy DVD is now available. This lacks built-in decryption but provides links to a 3rd party plugin which does decrypt. The company claims that its product is legal in the USA. However, when you click the link to download the plugin, a message warns ?Some 3rd party plug-ins not legal in certain areas around the world.?
In some European countries, it is either legal or at least not definitely illegal to make personal backup copies of a DVD. In Germany it is illegal to distribute any software capable of evading copy protection. In Norway the legality of breaking the CSS algorithm was tested in 1999, when the algorithm was made public by Jon Johansen. Mr Johansen cracked the algorithm in order to create a program to play DVDs on computer running the Linux operating system. He then posted his program code, DeCSS, on the Internet. The movie industry took Johansen to Court - and lost! In January 2003, the court ruled that Norwegian citizens were free to make copies of DVDs which they had bought legally. The Motion Picture Association of America was far from overjoyed by this ruling. In a statement they said: ? The actions of serial hackers such as Mr. Johansen are damaging to honest consumers everywhere. While the ruling does not affect laws outside of Norway, we believe this decision encourages circumvention of copyright that threatens consumer choice and employment in the film and television industries.?
IN essence what they are saying is that you can copy, just not DECRYPT. And since 99.9% of these are encrypted,..well I will let you figure out the rest.
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Dan, I was not able to get to your site interscience.wiley.com give me a cookie error I will try to fix that. You have not been able to answer the obvious question why do they continue to use spy planes if the satellite pictures are as good as you say they are. Maybe they are taking pictures of DNA?
I am sure if the government wants me they can get me but then I am not trying to hide. I am sure that just used the originating IP address to find the users of Oink. That is how they 'catch' everyone. I used the term 'catch' because just because they were caught doesn't mean they were truly guilty. When they ran DNA tests on evidence for death row inmates only half were actually guilty. You do not have to have committed a crime to be convicted of the crime. I am completely convinced if you really know what you are doing and disciplined enough not to make any mistakes you can cover your tracks. I know at least one hacker that they can't trace because that person is careful. That person taps into someone else's router and monitors and logs the host computer for probes. If the probes get too close all traces are removed and another host is used. It takes months before the probes get close again. BTW all the hardware used in that project were purchased with cash so even if a probe was smart enough to get back to the mother computer it would still come up with nothing. The software was purchased used at a thrift shop with cash.
You were looking at the wrong type of atmospheric interference. I posted a link on youtube demonstrating this interference yesterday. The one mentioned was optical because pictures are optical. What does a radio system have to do with a photograph? This lack of grasp of what you are arguing makes you less credible. What do an archer fish, ray guns and a glider suit have to do with this discussion?
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I had the same "cookie error", first time I've seen that happen, let me know how you go Mez, otherwise I'm suss. Probably trying to load up spyware and can't because of Spybot Immunisation or AB+ privacy blocking. Only because it blocks ads I've had a site complain about AB+ but at least they've been more direct about it. I'll try in Linux later with Chromium maybe.
Dan... yeah Atmospheric Interference is a term used in Astronomy, it has nothing to do with light pollution or the rest of what you said and everything to do with what I said. It's what causes the stars seen with the giant Keck array to shimmer even on a clear night on Mauna Kea . It why the Hubble telescope with it's small mirror is/was so important. It occurs over long distances so the Archer fish illustration is another spurious example. Refraction is the issue with them and they just compensate for that mentally. Incidentally, I had the pleasure of friends who had an Archer fish which was trained (coaxed?) to shoot down fish-food on the side of the tank. So I saw that phenomenon in their living room. It's unheard of for an Archer fish to do it raised in captivity and meant to be impossible, only known instance of it I know of.
Having a backpack that can contain enough battery energy to power a laser to drill through metal, kevlar or even a human flesh in a field situation is impossible. Using one for sighting and/or blinding the enemy is done now.
Considering you're so laughably and arrogantly wrong about the above I have to draw the conclusion that you are either a bad BS artist or completely deluded. A conspiracy nut with delusions of grandeur.
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Jemborg, I am well armored as well. It is a bit of work to disable all that crap. As you said I use many sites like this one that use cookies. Maybe the dogs just don't like the 'smell' of this one.
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Mez, I have answered the questions put to me I dont know how many times, it is not my fault that people just cannot seem to understand logic and validated facts.
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Again Mez, if they want you they have you. Oink thought they were safe a it was an intro only group...yet the Gov came in and not only closed them down, but nailed EVERY member of that group. How did they do it? Simple, the FBI proudly states they did this by SERVER LOGS!!! And I bet that quite a few of them used routers or Hide IP or some such nonsense thinking they were safe. Now they know different.
As I said I was in the military and my security clearance (Cosmic Top Secret)lets me know about items that you have no idea exists. These have been declassified so I can pass these along to you. Think Buck Rogers and his ray gun are fantasy? Think again! The US Military will be introducing backpack laser pistols and rifles inside of the next 4 years for their delta force and some special forces units. Think you need a glider to glide now? Think Again! They now have a glider suit/wing suit that allows you to darn near fly http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/...9-wingsuit.html the US Government has already adapted this with a small chemical rocket that greatly extends the limit of this suit. Special forces already use a form of this for their actions instead of parachutes.
As you can see, I am not yanking anyones chain here...but if you sre silly enough to think you can bypass or elude the Government if they really want you, hey..be my guest. Just be sure to let us know what jail you are in so we can ship you some soap on a rope.
Oink was a Music only site.
I knew people who were on there I could have gotten an invite myself to that site but it was only great if you wanted 10 releases of top 40 albums a day.
It was a UK site as well so the US have no rights etc in the UK, the FBI can ask the UK to do stuff but that's it.
And the people I know who were on the site as members, didn't get sued either, only the site's owner got done because RIAA wanted to the site pulled, if everyone was sued RIAA would still have law suites going and they'd be suing people from all over the world, so it would have been in the news for years.
The site domain name listed the owner of onik which he had put in his proper name, address etc he ran the server from home, UK do a raid they grabbed everything and had the server go through the logs.
Yet they were also members on the site as well, all the pirate server will have police as members on them as they have to be members to see what's happening on the server as you need evidance to take people to court in the UK.
the US's Digital Millennium Copyright Act doesn't require evidence though and simply needs a copyright holder to say you downloaded something and they can take you to court and you have to prove you didn't break the act otherwise you did and get done for it even if you never done it.
Russia has had laser rifles since the 90's, probably ripped it off of them.
The wing thing already out for the public you can buy them for extreme sports people movies have been done with them.
What about the room temp reactor that fusion powered?
You also have the Canadian guy who has rocks that can power a house, he hasn't been seen since his last video he did saying he'd like to develop it much further, that was around 2000.
And you also have the euro guy who been using a Tesla in a box to produce power as well.
you can hide from the government even in the US just never have a social securty number never keep any sort of bank accounts never use your real name and probably always change it for each, always do cash in hand work which isn't hard to get.
It not hard but doing the above wouldn't let you do loans etc and you'd never have any sort of credit etc,
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I know Oink was a music only site, but they had more protections then ft knox and they used routers and hide my IP as well. My neighbor was a member of this group and he is now serving 3 to 5 in state prison. So please dont try and tell me you are safe in using this stuff as I know better. Especially since he was leeching off my account and I got the knock at the door first. But after looking at my computer logs and thus proving that I was not the one that did it, all they had to do was get his router ID and back trace it to him.
So since I lived this nightmare...do not ANYONE try and tell me it cannot be done as this action by my scuzzy neighbor damn near cost me my security clearance (and yes I am not in the army any longer but you keep your security clearance after you leave because of all the top secret stuff you saw while in the military and yes every two years all your neighbors and police and family are asked questions abut you by big mofo's with no sense of humor.
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Fire Fox does not like that site. I think it had a security addon. I still could not find that page. Was it under journals?
Unanswered questions; why do we still have spy planes if we can see dimples on golf balls from satellites? Spy planes are a real bummer. I knew someone second hand that flew Blackbirds. I told my friend when he told me is brother flew Blackbirds 'it must be wonderful to fly the fastest plane on earth'. He told me round trip is over 12 hrs. The pilots have to do lots of weird stuff including diapers to function and to sit in a cockpit for that long. They use an insane amount of fuel, manned spy flights are a liability. The 'good satellite' pictures were always from small unmanned ultra-light gliders that were probably dropped by spy planes. They took pictures from only a few miles up. The wings were made from clear plastic like cellophane and I guess they self destructed or got picked up by spy planes. Very little has ever been released about these. These probably can get license plates.
I have done a little astronomy myself. Check the formula for Angular resolution. That tells you how big a lens has to be to resolve an angle. The angel of 1 mm arc at 200 miles radius is VERY small. The lens needed to resolve dimples of a golf ball at 200 miles is far bigger than a foot ball stadium if the glass was perfect and there was no atmosphere. I guess they put those into space with their warp drive flying saucers! The degrees of the arc is 180/2*10^10 you can plug that into your equation found @ Angular resolution formula
Use the formula for a single telescope since the cameras only have one lens. There example in the case of yellow light with a wavelength of 580 nm, for a resolution of 0.1 arc second, we need D = 1.2 m. Our average light is yellow. I doubt that spy satellite lenses are much more than a meter due to the weight. You are off by many,many 0s.
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While everyone tries to prove how much they know about the atmosphere and scientific advances, the topic is losing participants. In truth, spy planes may not have anything to do with downloading movies illicitly.
Think of it this way (which actually implies let's get back to the topic), if a sheepherder has his whole pastureland surrounded with a fence, this would let the wolves out. If, however, he neglects to make the fence secure, the wolves will find a way to get through. They may be so cunning as to dig under the fence, widen some holes in the fence, or even learn how to pole-vault over the fence. It is therefore the sheepherder's enterprise to secure his fence. Likewise is the wolves' enterprise to try to get through the fence. If the wolves succeed in getting through, then the sheepherder is at fault The best thing that he could do is not to go after the wolves and wreak vengeance on them. He should build a more secure fence, no?
It was the Voltage producers' fault not to secure their investment. Now they go after the downloaders of the movie to wreak vengeance on them. The best thing for them to do is to devise new ways to secure their investment. So goes with the other producers.
And for those who profess to know a lot of things, try examining the Big Bang Theory to look for flaws.
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The reason for the spy planes MEZ is simple. Sats are set in a stationary orbit and cannot be moved. Therefor they pass over a specific target at only certain times of the day. Know when they pass over and you can avoid them.
Now planes can pass over ANYTIME of the day or night and there is no way to avoid them as by the time you suspect they are passing over, they already have as they are so far up in the atmosphere that the only way you would know they were coming is if you had a facility to track them, and that sort of eludes the whole concept of being secret. And with the new Aurora hypersonic plane, by the time you knew they were there, they were already gone...and that is even if you could track them as they are invisible to radar
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The reason for the spy planes MEZ is simple. Sats are set in a stationary orbit and cannot be moved. Therefor they pass over a specific target at only certain times of the day. Know when they pass over and you can avoid them.
Now planes can pass over ANYTIME of the day or night and there is no way to avoid them as by the time you suspect they are passing over, they already have as they are so far up in the atmosphere that the only way you would know they were coming is if you had a facility to track them, and that sort of eludes the whole concept of being secret. And with the new Aurora hypersonic plane, by the time you knew they were there, they were already gone...and that is even if you could track them as they are invisible to radar
Oh man, you really do just make it up as you go along.
Satellites get repositioned all the time:
Satellite maneuvering (manoeuvering in "British" English!) is the use of (usually) on-board thrusters to move the satellite around in its orbit. These manoeuvres may be small-scale, such as to keep a geostationary satellite in its "fixed" point in the sky (usually called station-keeping) or may be large-scale, involving a major change in the orbital position, altitude, inclination, etc.
From- http://en.allexperts.com/q/Satellite-Com...Maneuvering.htm
No country can predict where the US will position their Spy Sats and no they still can't count the dimples on a golf ball or read a number plate.
Seems you don't have to have much nouse to gain a high security clearance in the USA. What was it... Cosmic Level A+? LOL
Btw, no "stealth" plane is invisible to radar any-more, has not been for years, not if you have the tech. If that tech could be developed in Australia then it's not that hard to get. That's why they use these tiny remote planes Mez is on about, and they can get much closer.
@Mez.. rofl at the "flying saucers" ...exactly man. I was thinking Dan must have had clearance to Area 51 myself! What next?
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...damn near cost me my security clearance (and yes I am not in the army any longer but you keep your security clearance after you leave because of all the top secret stuff you saw while in the military...
So if you need to have security clearance after you leave but can lose it anyway... what do they do... shoot you? LOL
Absolute bunkum, you are swore to secrecy, but lose your security clearance when you leave these services, you would regain it if you rejoined and occupied a similar position of trust. To wit, you can't just waltz in in your civvies after you retire and demand top secret info on something... like new Spy satellite orbits.
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Originally posted by manolet:
While everyone tries to prove how much they know about the atmosphere and scientific advances, the topic is losing participants. In truth, spy planes may not have anything to do with downloading movies illicitly.
And for those who profess to know a lot of things, try examining the Big Bang Theory to look for flaws.
I can't disagree with any of that. A tactic of these stupid arguments is to beat on the most moronic statement that you can easily disprove. It is easy to prove mathematically, the lens needed to perform what Dan believes as fact would have to be several thousands of yards in diameter. Dan is in a world of his own. It is important to beat on persons that say things to insult your intelligence. That way even though they will defend what they said till they are blue in the face, they ARE more careful the next time. I haven't been in one of these moronic discussions in at least 6 months now I don't need to do one for another 6 months.
You are right about hackers just being clever to find a weakness in the defense instead of going against the strength. One of the most famous hackers of 20 yrs ago became a security consultant. He never took longer than 24 hrs to break any security measure he was paid to defeat. Some of these systems took security teams years to build. As I said before I know of hackers that can't be found because of all the walls that are put up. They can move on before they get through the second to the last wall. Of course in the real world, P2P users have minimal protection. People normally will not go through the lengths to be safe. I stopped vs going to the next level. A prime example is persons using PeerGuardian2 and didn't notice their block list hasn't been updated in 6 months. These lists need to be updated daily and still there will be some not on the list. That is why I am a drop out. The lists used to be updated maybe once a month, then about a year ago it became once a week. Now that they are updated almost every day, there are just too many sharks in the water to block 100% of the invaders 100% of the time. All they need is to get in once a month to get your total upload and download stats. That is what I think they are looking for. Those stats are outside your firewalls and need to be there. Public trackers use those stats to rank your priority.
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@Mez, I've been rather amused myself.
Big deal if a topic goes astray, or seems to, as long as it's entertaining... people are just too anal at times.
And don't get me started on The Big Bang Theory... LOL.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
@Mez, I've been rather amused myself.
Big deal if a topic goes astray, or seems to, as long as it's entertaining... people are just too anal at times.
And don't get me started on The Big Bang Theory... LOL.
You should only be amused otherwise you will go nuts.
You would have loved being in on the Atlantis discovered discussion. Google or something like Google listed 'pictures' from the bottoms of the oceans as a browsable map of the ocean. One spot, a few miles, down looked a bit like city roads seen from way above. AD often has these 'off topics' just to get conversations going. As you can imagine, the moon was a harvest full that week!
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Daniel_1
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9. June 2010 @ 21:01 |
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Jemborg, I am not making a thing up and you should stop showing your ignorance. Contact the USAF and see if the Blackbird is being decommissioned or not and they will tell you it is. Contact the US Pentagon and ask them about the Aurora fighter plane and they will confirm that it does in fact exist and does exactly what I said it does. Then go back to the Sat command of the USAF or even NASA in florida and ask them if these spy sats are in a stationary orbit and they will confirm they are.
You know jemborg, it seems that every time you open your mouth your ignorance shows through. Maybe you need to stop flappin your gums and check the facts once in a while, but since you dont seem to know how, here is a site that will teach you how much you do NOT know http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatOrbits.html
I have hear of intentional ignorance jemborg, and now when I look it up I see a picture of you. Just goes to show that since you made up your answers and got them debunked, what else are you wrong on? Quite probably everything.
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9. June 2010 @ 21:14 |
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Originally posted by Daniel_1:
Jemborg, I am not making a thing up and you should stop showing your ignorance. Contact the USAF and see if the Blackbird is being decommissioned or not and they will tell you it is. Contact the US Pentagon and ask them about the Aurora fighter plane and they will confirm that it does in fact exist and does exactly what I said it does. Then go back to the Sat command of the USAF or even NASA in florida and ask them if these spy sats are in a stationary orbit and they will confirm they are.
You know jemborg, it seems that every time you open your mouth your ignorance shows through. Maybe you need to stop flappin your gums and check the facts once in a while, but since you dont seem to know how, here is a site that will teach you how much you do NOT know http://www.spacetoday.org/Satellites/SatBytes/SatOrbits.html
I have hear of intentional ignorance jemborg, and now when I look it up I see a picture of you. Just goes to show that since you made up your answers and got them debunked, what else are you wrong on? Quite probably everything.
Just give up, your persistence to Defend your imagination is admirable.
if you want people to believe you and not appear ignorant, post facts with proof. i don't believe you, i think your lying, if not prove me wrong. your words wont cut it Show me the proof. Show Jemborg the proof.
and don't call people ignorant unless you've got the proof, the facts, and your credibility back.
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Daniel_1
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9. June 2010 @ 21:25 |
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DXR88 I am not defending any imagination. I am stating facts and giving links and telling where I got my info from. It is jemborg and now seemingly you that refuse to accept the truth and continue on with this attack because you dont want to check the sources.
I dont really give a care if you believe me or not, I know my facts are rock solid and so would you if you would take less time saying they are not true and more time actually doing what seems alien to you and that is looking at the links. And as for the sats stationary orbit, I ALREADY DID prove it and you would know that if you bothered to look at the link. Or contact the USAF in the Pentagon. But since you seem to be too lazy to do that, here is the phone number Pentagon Switchboard 703-545-6700 and here is the address 1400 Defense Pentagon, Washington DC 20301-1400
Now since I have proven what I stated I can indeed call people ignorant who refuse to see it, and I dont worry about my credibility as since I have been providing links, it is much stronger then yours or jemborgs.
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