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Xbox 360 slim unit shuts down if ventilation is insufficient?
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The following comments relate to this news article:
article published on 21 June, 2010
Microsoft's new slim Xbox 360 console will not display a red ring of death (RROD) as we reported already, but the system does take some measures to protect itself against heat-related damage that the older units don't. It was reported recently that the three blinking red lights had been replaced with a single "red dot of death", but the red dot may not indicate that the console is broken.
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21. June 2010 @ 23:03 |
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wow, now everyone with an extra 2 hours of electronic knick knacking time, thermal cooling paste and a modified fan shroud can own a reliable,properly working xbox360. All that crap probably voids your original warranty so be careful 360 users.
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22. June 2010 @ 12:50 |
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Ooooooooooooooooooooo........and i just bought one. (Sigh)
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23. June 2010 @ 17:41 |
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Has anyone torn this thing down yet and posted a review of the new build?
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23. June 2010 @ 19:42 |
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24. June 2010 @ 09:20 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Has anyone torn this thing down yet and posted a review of the new build?
Here you go
And a vid showing one broken, maybe the first?
Nice! they are no longer useing the drives as a heat sink!
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24. June 2010 @ 11:36 |
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Is the cooling actually insufficient or are people just putting these on top of TV's or other high heat generating devices/inside cabinets with no air flow/etc?
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24. June 2010 @ 11:54 |
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Originally posted by IguanaC64:
Is the cooling actually insufficient or are people just putting these on top of TV's or other high heat generating devices/inside cabinets with no air flow/etc?
Shouldn't matter. The Wii, Gamecube, Original Xbox, PS2, PS3 Phat & PS3 Slim don't have issues with cooling or being inside a cabinet. Why should the 360 get a "pass" if it cannot do the same?
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24. June 2010 @ 12:20 |
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You will definately shorten the life of your devices if you don't provide adequate ventilation...whether it's a PS2, Gamecube, Okami Gamesphere, or whatever it is...
My question was whether they just had the cooling settings a little too aggressive that trigger this message or if there is a real cooling problem with the new 360.
The RROD was a system hardware failure...this message is a warning before a potential failure.
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24. June 2010 @ 15:39 |
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The same red rings of death again but now with words.
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28. June 2010 @ 14:01 |
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Originally posted by gnovak1:
Ooooooooooooooooooooo........and i just bought one. (Sigh)
Let's not panic go off the deep end and assume the worst. What else was there to "Giant Robot's" posts? What was his ventilation situation? Did he have it in a cabinet? Was it sealed? Did he deliberately cover the vents (who knows)? Did it work ok afterwards?
A great deal of my electronics require ventilation, especially the ones that employ fans, and they employ protection cutoffs... so big deal. Try covering the vents of a PS3 and see how long it lasts. I've never tried but I bet it has a cutoff circuit too. It doesn't have a fan for nothing.
Come on Oner you should try better than those cheap shots. The breakdown link you provided (whilst good) demonstrated a 30% power reduction at full load and the other was actually a power brick failure. Even the guy posting the vid stated that, nothing was even hot. Too early for gloating.
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28. June 2010 @ 20:16 |
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Not gloating at all. If I was looking to purchase a 360 I would definitely go for this current & newest model over any previous version (and would suggest it to anyone looking to buy as well)...especially since I got my 6th RROD last month or so and now don't have any 360...but I am not going too. There is nothing on the 360 that I want or foresee "needing" anytime soon, so my 360 experience is done (and even then it was used sparingly before hand). I will whole heartedly and truly admit that I will/would still have the "fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me" mentality if I was even thinking about get a new 360S.
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29. June 2010 @ 08:51 |
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@Voyager - From the article, it does not look like this is the RRoD. This is a thermal cutoff mechanism that's supposed to save your system before what would be the RRoD. It means your setup is too hot and you need to provide better ventilation. I'm unsure what the PS3 has done in the past to make sure it doesn't melt in bad ventilation situations, but looking at the history of the 360, Microsoft has more to learn in this area...maybe larger/low RPM cooling fans that are easily replaceable? Servers have pretty nice drop in fan units, but they are usually small and loud as hell (because they have to cool 1 and 2U servers they have to be limited in size). Other than small/sexy factor, there's no reason not to use these to cool your system.
After reading all these 360 failures, if I decided to buy one I would invest in 3rd party cooling systems...
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29. June 2010 @ 09:35 |
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Ah so its the PSU is saying your unit is to hot I bet there could be sensor failures as well. Whats the pin out on the new units power plug is it 12 volt?
I wonder if you pluged in a 12V X amp thingy if it would fire up or not.
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30. June 2010 @ 09:45 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Ah so its the PSU is saying your unit is to hot....
Zip, the YouTube link that Oner posted dealt with a PSU/powerbrick failure not connected to the AD news article above.
@Oner: If I did believe that you ever owned six X360s I'd say it took you a long time to learn that lesson. Still, my old Falcon model has never RRODed.
@IguanaC64: It does have a bigger, lower rpm fan in it:
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30. June 2010 @ 10:41 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Ah so its the PSU is saying your unit is to hot....
Zip, the YouTube link that Oner posted dealt with a PSU/powerbrick failure not connected to the AD news article above.
@Oner: If I did believe that you ever owned six X360s I'd say it took you a long time to learn that lesson. Still, my old Falcon model has never RRODed.
@IguanaC64: It does have a bigger, lower rpm fan in it:
I thought the power brick gets sent a over heating signal and wont power on? (oh god I just realize I haz the process ass backwards)
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30. June 2010 @ 11:45 |
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Hey Zip, you can't quite tell what happened. Granted, the problem in Oner's YouTube vid may actually have been the X360's. The brick did have a green light till the unit was turned on, so maybe it's ok and there's a short in the main unit.
It wasn't an overheat problem anyway. Arguably it's a ordinary factory fault in either part (main or power supply) and it's too early to tell if it's an entrenched problem on some chronic level. Anyone who would leap to the conclusion that MS have not tried to deal with overheating issues has to be a fool. I'll bet it already been replaced under warranty.
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30. June 2010 @ 11:49 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Hey Zip, you can't quite tell what happened. Granted, the problem in Oner's YouTube vid may actually have been the X360's. The brick did have a green light till the unit was turned on, so maybe it's ok and there's a short in the main unit.
It wasn't an overheat problem anyway. Arguably it's a ordinary factory fault in either part (main or power supply) and it's too early to tell if it's an entrenched problem on some chronic level. Anyone who would leap to the conclusion that MS have not tried to deal with overheating issues has to be a fool. I'll bet it already been replaced under warranty.
Ya its an odd bug I hope they get it worked out by the time I get one in 2ish years LOL
A short could be it could the heat censor but messed up thus forcing the unit off?
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30. June 2010 @ 12:13 |
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Originally posted by ZippyDSM:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Hey Zip, you can't quite tell what happened. Granted, the problem in Oner's YouTube vid may actually have been the X360's. The brick did have a green light till the unit was turned on, so maybe it's ok and there's a short in the main unit.
It wasn't an overheat problem anyway. Arguably it's a ordinary factory fault in either part (main or power supply) and it's too early to tell if it's an entrenched problem on some chronic level. Anyone who would leap to the conclusion that MS have not tried to deal with overheating issues has to be a fool. I'll bet it already been replaced under warranty.
Ya its an odd bug I hope they get it worked out by the time I get one in 2ish years LOL
A short could be it could the heat censor but messed up thus forcing the unit off?
If you watched that YouTube vid the guy said it powered off whist he was watching Netflix on it. And it won't power on again. No message screen. But it is the powerbrick displaying a red light not the main unit. He claims heat and adequate airflow is not an issue. So your guess is as good as mine. However, under the circumstances, it doesn't mean it's the main unit's problem, you just can't tell. It's strongly suggested it's the PSU's though coz it's the bit displaying the error signal (red light). Y'know I often fix pooters and even on ones that display odd non-starting properly behaviour the first thing I do is replace the power supply- 95% of the time that's the problem.
It too early to to call it a "bug". May just be a rare factory fault. Time will tell.
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Originally posted by givingmer:
jeez man, can't micro$oft just make a damn console that works without any issue.
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
@Oner: If I did believe that you ever owned six X360s I'd say it took you a long time to learn that lesson. Still, my old Falcon model has never RRODed.
Me specifically saying I just got my 6th RROD does not = 6 purchases. I have thrown everything at my launch Pro model to keep the piece of shit alive but to no avail it still failed. Fact is a great portion of 360's that were sold to the public WILL have a 100% failure rate. That is inevitable. I know of 2 people personally that have launch 360's which have never RRODed...EVERYONE else that I know, has (and at least 2 times each).
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by givingmer:
jeez man, can't micro$oft just make a damn console that works without any issue.
You mean like this one?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/39/672905
959 posts and counting...
959 posts and counting which have multiple replies or questions that do not equal a failure to each of those "959 replies"...but whatever, there are problems with all consoles just nowhere near the amount of issues compared to a 360
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1. July 2010 @ 14:12 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Me specifically saying I just got my 6th RROD does not = 6 purchases...
Fair enough. However, still find it hard to believe you have even owned one, sorry.
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...I have thrown everything at my launch Pro model to keep the piece of shit alive but to no avail it still failed. Fact is a great portion of 360's that were sold to the public WILL have a 100% failure rate. That is inevitable. I know of 2 people personally that have launch 360's which have never RRODed...EVERYONE else that I know, has (and at least 2 times each).
Ooh, unmasked swearing, still, I suppose you can get away with it (jk). Anecdotal evidence is still anecdotal evidence Oner. In contrast, with my extensive personal (also anecdotal) experience working in a console repair shop - something you've forgotten - I can point to literally hundreds of people who had the BROD with their PS3s. In comparison a far far larger sample than your mates. Indeed, it's not as bad as the RRODs but they at least have the extended 3 year warranty. In other words, yes, the shop would see a lot more X360s if not for that. Note: most of the X360s presented are modded so have voided warranty... it is not illegal to mod consoles in Australia btw.
Regardless, fact is, the X360 is still a popular console for some reason, so someone is getting a lot of use out of theirs somehow.
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by givingmer:
jeez man, can't micro$oft just make a damn console that works without any issue.
You mean like this one?
http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/39/672905
959 posts and counting...
Originally posted by Oner:
959 posts and counting which have multiple replies or questions that do not equal a failure to each of those "959 replies"...
I never said it did so that remark is irrelevant. My point is still made, unless you're suggesting only a couple of people are responsible for that thread.
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...but whatever, there are problems with all consoles...
Indubitably... you are iterating my point to Givingmer (and hooter007).
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...just nowhere near the amount of issues compared to a 360
This is a strange link you have given here... some connection with flashing or modding ones X360 and risking RRODs? Is there some agenda I'm missing here? My X360 is modded and has a non-MS HDD in it, as I thought you knew. I don't know why you feel the need to have thrown your oar into a reply to a post not directed to yourself here... you didn't add anything and you didn't negate me. (I did not say that the RROD issue is on par with the BROD issue... just that it's very real one too.) Do you just not like someone jokingly pointing out the absurdity that other consoles are not 100% fault free either?
My point is, and has been, that it's too early to dump on the new model yet. Fair enough?
Btw, as of today, it's now 961 posts and counting...I'm tempted to add one just to help it hit the magic 1000 mark. :)
PS: I feel the need to point out here (to whomever) that whilst I do own a X360 I would consider myself a fan of Xpadder on high-end PC more than anything. Also, I consider the PS3 a good machine with some excellent exclusive games.
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1. July 2010 @ 15:48 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Me specifically saying I just got my 6th RROD does not = 6 purchases...
Fair enough. However, still find it hard to believe you have even owned one, sorry.
What you believe and what IS the truth are 2 totally different things.
Even with proof you probably won't believe me because that is your angle. I can sit here and break down your whole comment with more proof and links and articles but I don't need to, nor want to. Those who are knowledgeable about the subject are fully aware of what is true, what isn't, what's FUD and what is nothing but excuses.
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1. July 2010 @ 20:05 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by Oner:
Me specifically saying I just got my 6th RROD does not = 6 purchases...
Fair enough. However, still find it hard to believe you have even owned one, sorry.
What you believe and what IS the truth are 2 totally different things.
Even with proof you probably won't believe me because that is your angle. I can sit here and break down your whole comment with more proof and links and articles but I don't need to, nor want to. Those who are knowledgeable about the subject are fully aware of what is true, what isn't, what's FUD and what is nothing but excuses.
ROFLMAO
I'm so flattered Oner... ahahahahahahahahaha
I just said I found it hard to believe... lol, besides how do I know you just didn't borrow one from one of your alleged friends???? Hehe.
And the rest of my comment... what's there to break down? I was quite reasonable. (Are you suggesting it isn't too early to dump on the new model?) You laughably love to arrogantly bandy the word "truth" repeatedly about again and again in posts like some sort of fundamentalist preacher - the gospel according to Oner - when mostly what I see is projected FUD myself (like that link to the dud X360 powerbrick)... any chance to put the boot in. Really, it's horses for courses. Sure, my word as a person who's worked in the console repair business (that includes all consoles) supposedly means nothing to your blinkered yes-men-only know-it-all mentality but I'm sure others might take note. (Especially considering your reaction.)
It's a shame you took such umbrage anyway... please try to focus on the last paragraph of my previous post. If you got that far...
As it is, I no longer work in that repair shop, I'm self employed nowadays building pooters to spec amongst other stuff, but I still retain close ties with the guys there. In comparison to that, what is it that you do for a living that makes you the foremost expert on the subject of consoles that you claim you are? (Yes, I know you've owned a few.)
(Again, I truly am flattered by that pic, it's made my day (well almost, you can't beat my newborn son). I'll treasure it always. Thanks.)
Cheers,
Jem
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Like I said ~
Originally posted by Oner:
Even with proof you probably won't believe me because that is your angle. I can sit here and break down your whole comment with more proof and links and articles but I don't need to, nor want to.
You try and try and try and just like the others (Varnull, 13thHour, Se7ven, pphoenix + a couple others) and get nowhere. Some learn and some don't. I really don't need to be bothered. Again, as I said
Originally posted by Oner:
Those who are knowledgeable about the subject are fully aware of what is true, what isn't, what's FUD and what is nothing but excuses.
That is all that needs to be said.
As far as what I do for a living...It's none of your damned business what I do ;). But, I will placate your request temporarily ~ the same as you. Self Employed for over 10 years I would guesstimate. Building, Repairing, Maintaining & Upgrading computers (Home & Small Business). From Software to Hardware. Including dabbling in networking ranging small to medium sized, from runnings drops to Wireless solutions. But this has absolutely NOTHING to do with my expertise and knowledge that I have provided Afterdawn & our members/visitors for almost the last 8 years in our console forum section(s) and more. And that is all YOU need to know about me that I will so graciously let on.
And on that note I think this topic has gone off topic long enough (as usual it seems to come back to "questioning" Oner for some odd reason). I mean GOD FORBID we actually talk about the topic at hand *cough* new Xbox 360 failures/issues *cough* instead of specifically making it a personal thing about Oner...
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