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Google will remove support for H.264 from Chrome

article published on 11 January, 2011

After originally pledging to support both H.264 and WebM content, Google has decided it will ditch the H.264 video codec from Chrome and go with its WebM format instead. H.264 video is widely used, currently being the de facto industry standard for encoding digital video. It is used with Blu-ray disc and is supported by a wide variety of consumer electronics devices. However, H.264 technology ... [ read the full article ]

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11. January 2011 @ 23:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Wow, really Google? REALLY?
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12. January 2011 @ 01:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Yea, I don't get that party affiliation thing either.
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12. January 2011 @ 01:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
What is next.....Flash ?

IE was the TOP Browser last week:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/11/techcrunch-ie/

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12. January 2011 @ 08:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I bet google wants to get rid of H.264 because of the youtube. If they had to pay h.264 license for each user who uploads videos to youtube it would be a lot of money out of googles pocket (owner of h.264 could force google to buy licenses to h.264).

At the moment i would imagine that majority of users who use html5 version of youtube are linux users since flash is pain in the ass to install on some 64bit distros. Most windows users don't even know html5 option exist and are using "default" flash. So using webM would suite well with the ideology of this (linux) usergroup.

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12. January 2011 @ 17:35 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by jabberwolf:
Originally posted by inverse137:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
Wow, really Google? REALLY?
Umm, you are complaining because Google wouldn't go with something they had to pay royalties for and instead bought another compression algorithm and then made that algorithm open source?

Dude, you're a republican, aren't you?
Um dude, its a removal of something that gives consumer choice.
This is a small fee, that is negligable, but if avoided - will have google try to force their standard as the only option on their OS.

So in light of facts, availability, cost, and restriction of choice, you must be Democrat.

if you're talking consumer choice then google is the consumer and it was their choice not to pay royalties and instead adapted and implement a new standard pushing more people into using open source software. same way sony pushed its own format by using blu-ray in ps3's google is pushing its own format on its own platform what a surprise. except google saves face a bit by choosing a non-proprietary open source format.
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12. January 2011 @ 18:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I'm good with their decision. There is no guarantee whatsoever that H.264 will continue to be a fluffy, rainbow-colored codec of goodness that we're all free to use once the next few years go by.

Video on the web is at a critical juncture right now, where what's 'standard' is being redefined (or really just defined, since Flash was only a de facto standard). And this move tips the scale in the favor of an open standard that's not going to line some patent holders' pocket books a few years down the line.

The only thing that this really affects is web sites that only provide H.264 video in via HTML5. (IE, web sites that do not use Flash.) Since HTML5 video is still in its infancy of adoption, this is a far better time to make a move like this than several years down the line when Flash-less H.264 has become deeply intrenched in the web (and potentially our wallets).

Those who want to use a non-standard codec (H.264) will still be free to do so with a non-standard player (Flash), which seems pretty appropriate to me.

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12. January 2011 @ 23:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
...So does this mean that it is being removed from Chrome OS as well? I knew it didn't have BluRay support, but at least it could play bluray rips (AFAIK).


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13. January 2011 @ 00:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
There is Hope for Chrome and his HTML5. Like this native Tablet App use on this Startup:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/12/onswipe/

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Er...... why can most free apps make and play H.264?

Its not like chrome is for sell or anything..... so why can;t they use the GNU license?

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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13. January 2011 @ 10:13 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Royalties my ass for H.264

I say Google should use and NOT pay royalties. Screw that and screw those for charging for a mere means of encoding.

I gotch'yo algorithm right here.............!
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Originally posted by jhgsz8i7:
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Spammers can simply.........in 3 words..........GO F THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leeches!

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13. January 2011 @ 11:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by xnmalletx:
Yea, I don't get that party affiliation thing either.

FYI, Republicans think all should be enslaved to BIG corporations, however when it comes time for corporations to pay taxes... they want complete exemption!

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13. January 2011 @ 14:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by jabberwolf:
Originally posted by inverse137:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
Wow, really Google? REALLY?
Umm, you are complaining because Google wouldn't go with something they had to pay royalties for and instead bought another compression algorithm and then made that algorithm open source?

Dude, you're a republican, aren't you?
Um dude, its a removal of something that gives consumer choice.
This is a small fee, that is negligable, but if avoided - will have google try to force their standard as the only option on their OS.

So in light of facts, availability, cost, and restriction of choice, you must be Democrat.

This is more correct, great point!

Google is going to shoot themselves in the foot here making their product more proprietary and less industry standard. Competition is a good thing but their limiting to only one format is a mistake I think.

Chrome really isn?t a good browser I?ve used it and it is a dangerous browser, too open to the internet and Google. Plus Google keeps changing their standards of how their browser structure is and they aren?t always good changes, but are radical changes.
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Originally posted by Totalogic:
Originally posted by inverse137:


Umm, you are complaining because Google wouldn't go with something they had to pay royalties for and instead bought another compression algorithm and then made that algorithm open source?

Dude, you're a republican, aren't you?
Ummmmmmmm, he wasn't complaining, he was satirising. And with your ignorance, Democrats the world over cringe at your defence of them...

You must be ignorantican. (An IGNORANT American)
He could be an IGNORANT European, ingnorance isn't unique to the US by far.
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Originally posted by lissenup2:
Spammers can simply.........in 3 words..........GO F THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leeches!

I hate spammers too, but you do realize you're helping them by copying what they say in a quote box, yes?

Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by jabberwolf:
Originally posted by inverse137:
Originally posted by ROMaster2:
Wow, really Google? REALLY?
Umm, you are complaining because Google wouldn't go with something they had to pay royalties for and instead bought another compression algorithm and then made that algorithm open source?

Dude, you're a republican, aren't you?
Um dude, its a removal of something that gives consumer choice.
This is a small fee, that is negligable, but if avoided - will have google try to force their standard as the only option on their OS.

So in light of facts, availability, cost, and restriction of choice, you must be Democrat.

This is more correct, great point!

Google is going to shoot themselves in the foot here making their product more proprietary and less industry standard. Competition is a good thing but their limiting to only one format is a mistake I think.

Chrome really isn?t a good browser I?ve used it and it is a dangerous browser, too open to the internet and Google. Plus Google keeps changing their standards of how their browser structure is and they aren?t always good changes, but are radical changes.

H.264 is the proprietary standard. Google is only including open codecs in their web browser. If you want to see H.264 included in Chrome, you should really be hounding MPEG-LA to permanently make it a royalty-free codec. Regardless of their motives, Google is taking a step towards a more open web by discouraging the entrenchment of potentially dangerous codecs.

Of course, those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it...

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14. January 2011 @ 02:54 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well. I am not use Chrome much....But Google is working on their HTML5 and are doing a good job upgrading Chrome every 6 weeks:

http://techcrunch.com/2011/01/11/google-chrome-release-cycle-slideshow/

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Doing a good job, that is laughable when this is their platform;

"Instead of a traditional software development cycle where features are crammed into each release or delay the release, Chrome puts out a new release no matter what every six weeks."

This supports my arguments that the platform structure is poor and radically changing but to make a release just to make a release is plain out right lame! So nothing changes but da*mit we are putting out a release, doesn't even begin to make sense unless you are a marketing fool possibly.

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14. January 2011 @ 09:45 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by nonoitall:
I'm good with their decision. There is no guarantee whatsoever that H.264 will continue to be a fluffy, rainbow-colored codec of goodness that we're all free to use once the next few years go by.

Video on the web is at a critical juncture right now, where what's 'standard' is being redefined (or really just defined, since Flash was only a de facto standard). And this move tips the scale in the favor of an open standard that's not going to line some patent holders' pocket books a few years down the line.

The only thing that this really affects is web sites that only provide H.264 video in via HTML5. (IE, web sites that do not use Flash.) Since HTML5 video is still in its infancy of adoption, this is a far better time to make a move like this than several years down the line when Flash-less H.264 has become deeply intrenched in the web (and potentially our wallets).

Those who want to use a non-standard codec (H.264) will still be free to do so with a non-standard player (Flash), which seems pretty appropriate to me.

Ah, but H.264 is the de-facto standard, that's the entire point here. Concurrently, Flash is the current de-facto standard for online video playback. It really doesn't matter what YOU (or Google, Apple) thinks about it at all, sorry.

It's also amusing that Google is choosing their OWN proprietary format, without any promises at all for future open licensing, and Google apologists somehow think that's any better. I'm glad Chrome stinks so badly, or this could actually have been a big deal.

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14. January 2011 @ 16:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Doing a good job, that is laughable when this is their platform;

"Instead of a traditional software development cycle where features are crammed into each release or delay the release, Chrome puts out a new release no matter what every six weeks."

This supports my arguments that the platform structure is poor and radically changing but to make a release just to make a release is plain out right lame! So nothing changes but da*mit we are putting out a release, doesn't even begin to make sense unless you are a marketing fool possibly.

This is a Good News and Facts:

http://my.opera.com/haavard/blog/2011/01/13/openness

Lattest News: (1-14-11)

http://blog.chromium.org/2011/01/more-about-chrome-html-video-codec.html

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14. January 2011 @ 17:36 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
SO question why can I encode and decode H264 videos distribute and sell said videos , I mean dose MS pay royalties to the H264 patent holders to allow it to run on PC hardware I am trying to understand the process here, why dose chrome have to pay to use it?

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
 
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