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PS3 hacker's home raided, Sony sues after he retailiates
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article published on 25 February, 2011
On the 23rd, hacker "graf_chokolo" said his home was raided by local police, as well as a Sony representative.
Says graf via his own blog:
Guys, SONY was today at my home with police and got all my stuff and accounts. So be careful from now on.
After the raid, graf (Alexander Egorenkov), uploaded all his databases to the Web, encouraging anyone and everyone to share it so Sony ... [ read the full article ]
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25. February 2011 @ 15:15 |
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this is getting pretty bad, I hope this all gets settled, sony started this, and it just keeps going downhill. :/
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25. February 2011 @ 15:31 |
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I can't believe they had local authorities go into his house and take all his stuff away. What if it wasn't being used for hacking? And to have a Sony rep there! That just seems a little over bored. When the police have a search warrant and go to your house they don't bring the person with them that made that search warrant possible, at least that's what it seems like on t.v. I'm not a cop so I don't know how it really works.
This all just seems a little over board and Sony needs to grow up and stop suing everyone and everything. Someone needs to open an account, link it to a rock in the desert, and see if Sony will sue it. I bet they would.
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25. February 2011 @ 15:40 |
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I really don't understand why companies try to sue normal people for thousands of dollars as if they will ever get paid even close to a quarter of it. Just doesn't make any sense. As for Sony, their just continuing to show how dumb they are, Microsoft is a bigger corporation than Sony and you don't see them going around suing everyone who has modded their systems. All they seem to be good for these days are bad decisions.
But I have to give that guy credit, he has some balls to no give a you know what and continue what he's doing. Its pretty fu*cked up that we spend our money on a ps3 and by law it still belongs to sony(Or at least thats what it says in their agreement).
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25. February 2011 @ 15:52 |
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Wow! Now THERE is a hacker w/ no life.
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25. February 2011 @ 16:03 |
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Society doesn't include everyone...by choice, by situation, or by design.
Saying he has no life is an opinion...he just doesn't have your life or maybe what society would call a "normal" life. He's living life the way he wants to live it. I'm not going to criticize.
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25. February 2011 @ 17:34 |
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I wish him well. A $ony rep there at the guy's house is a bit strange.......Maybe that is allowed where he lives. It would appear $ony has a serious problem and by trying to keep everyone quiet they, $ony, might try to use force. It reminds me of the DirecTV cards. They got aggressive and it kind of went away.
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25. February 2011 @ 19:14 |
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I kinda feel bad for this guy, as long as he didn't make any money off this, there's no reason for him to get sued. Even if people paid him so he can install Linux on their PS3 (since Sony is being a b***h, what's the big deal really? He's just someone who likes technology. A lot of people are anyways, but at least this guy believes in freedom to do what he wants. You don't see that often anymore.
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25. February 2011 @ 19:22 |
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Not even Microsoft gone to this hi jinx on the 360 hacking...or even did sony go this far to PSP Hacking THIS IS TOO Fraking far!
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25. February 2011 @ 20:34 |
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Maybe Sony should hire him instead of making him an enemy, he obviously knows what he's doing (hard/software wise).
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25. February 2011 @ 21:25 |
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Originally posted by IguanaC64:
Society doesn't include everyone...by choice, by situation, or by design.
Saying he has no life is an opinion...he just doesn't have your life or maybe what society would call a "normal" life. He's living life the way he wants to live it. I'm not going to criticize.
I cannot agree more.
well said' I was going to say something simular but you already have done it.
if sony mess with this guy i'd recommend people to remove themselves from the sony products now and in the future. shower of f%&*$£$$$ they are.
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25. February 2011 @ 21:57 |
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this guy has balls
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26. February 2011 @ 01:18 |
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Originally posted by 3MUK:
this guy has balls
Possibly a little correction, he use to have balls, Sony took them too, only thing the guy had left worth anything :)
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26. February 2011 @ 01:23 |
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It is nice to see these guys fighting back...if they have broken any laws, then they were unjust laws to begin with...and they are the same laws that sony has broken countless times.
Sony was the original pirate company; they pushed VHS as a means of pirating movies and TV shows, and even advertised that the technology was intended for piracy of TV shows. Then they went to court to defend the right to do so, and won. They won based on the fact that not everyone used their VCR for piracy...and now they are suing based on the assertion that every jailbroken PS3 is being used for piracy, when that is clearly not the case...and in fact, the percentage of jailbroken PS3s running pirated games is much lower than the percentage of VCRs used to pirate TV and movies.
All the while, they are making windows PCs that are ideal for piracy right out of the box, they are selling DVD and BluRay burners plus the blank media. How often do you think a blank BluRay gets a home movie instead of a backup of a commercial one? If it is illegal to sell something that enables piracy, then Sony needs to shut down most of their operations.
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26. February 2011 @ 04:40 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
Sony was the original pirate company; they pushed VHS as a means of pirating movies and TV shows
I understand you're referring to VCRs, however it was the Betamax that sony was pushing. But your argument is true and valid nonetheless.
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26. February 2011 @ 05:21 |
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Oh no! A few dozen whiny people might boycott Sony. I'm sure they're scared. :-)
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26. February 2011 @ 06:13 |
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Yeah...they don't even care that they are looking at a 1-4 billion dollar settlement if they loose the OtherOS case; if they did, they would not be contradicting themselves in court just to try to attack geohot.
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26. February 2011 @ 08:19 |
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Like any other big business they know that if there is enough money thrown at a "problem" they will have the backing of any government/authority. It's obscene to see how $ony is going about things. I cannot see why they are going to waste millions of dollars fighting a losing battle. Can they not just be happy seeing how long it took to "hack" their system. And, until they took away linux there was little to no issues. Instead of listening to their consumers they flipped the bird, and are going music industry on everyone.
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26. February 2011 @ 09:25 |
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Wow...I guess I am both angered $ony is allowed to take it this far and saddened this guy is willing to let them ruin his life just to take one for the team...
Just my $0.02,
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26. February 2011 @ 11:14 |
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I hate to say this guys but you are only 18 people's opinion of millions and this guy should be made an example of. I don't think the amount is just but he has ruined Sony's reputation with the online community. Online game-play with the PS3 is ruined because these so called messiahs of ps3 hacking community. I have not even logged in to multi-player since it happened. The cheating scene was already bad enough with just lag switches now its just not even worth it. These people have dampened Sony's profit margin. Also before any trolls start posting any response's I realize Sony does not directly profit from online multi-player for the most part but it does affect the bottom line of game sales when directly related to their online experience. These abilities for using home-brew have way mores cons than pro's. I for one say buy a computer and quit trying to make a game console a pc. If your that cheap sale your playstation and buy a computer quit ruining it for everyone else.
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26. February 2011 @ 13:13 |
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Originally posted by Neo2369:
I hate to say this guys but you are only 18 people's opinion of millions and this guy should be made an example of. I don't think the amount is just but he has ruined Sony's reputation with the online community. Online game-play with the PS3 is ruined because these so called messiahs of ps3 hacking community. I have not even logged in to multi-player since it happened. The cheating scene was already bad enough with just lag switches now its just not even worth it. These people have dampened Sony's profit margin. Also before any trolls start posting any response's I realize Sony does not directly profit from online multi-player for the most part but it does affect the bottom line of game sales when directly related to their online experience. These abilities for using home-brew have way mores cons than pro's. I for one say buy a computer and quit trying to make a game console a pc. If your that cheap sale your playstation and buy a computer quit ruining it for everyone else.
i have a hacked PS3 Does that make me a cheater? No. does it tempt me to cheat? No. Am i about to start? No. its called respect for the gaming community. and some have no respect for anything or anyone. so please quit trying to bunch us all up into a demograph, lets leave that to Sony.
also comparing the PS3 to PC is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford 4x4. the PS3 has one of the most powerful computational Processors many have every seen and at around 300 bucks. i for one want to see what it can really do, even if it means cracking the system wide open.
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26. February 2011 @ 15:57 |
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I am so tired of hearing people whine that these hackers caused all the cheating on PSN...Sure they enabled it but $ony has done NOTHING to stop it. So the criminal gets a gun and starts shooting people...sure at first we could be pissed at whoever is responsible for giving him the gun but at some point we're going to get pissed if the cops do nothing to stop them.
$ony had to know it was just a matter of time and as others said some cheating has been going on for some time. The longer you guys whine about those rotten hackers the more time $ony can sit back on their fat asses and do NOTHING about it...
Just my $0.02,
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26. February 2011 @ 16:06 |
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@Originally posted by dEwMe:
I am so tired of hearing people whine that these hackers caused all the cheating on PSN...Sure they enabled it but $ony has done NOTHING to stop it.
That really isn't fair to Sony, i'm not taking any side i would never own a console and can careless either way. But you can't blame Sony for not preventing someone from hacking or exploiting a PS3. Either way whatever comes of this needs to be fair to all parties involved. Sony could be like Microsoft & the XBox, if Microsoft detects you modified you box and connect, you won't be able to get on Live, if they don't brick you box first then disconnect you.
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26. February 2011 @ 21:54 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Neo2369:
I hate to say this guys but you are only 18 people's opinion of millions and this guy should be made an example of. I don't think the amount is just but he has ruined Sony's reputation with the online community. Online game-play with the PS3 is ruined because these so called messiahs of ps3 hacking community. I have not even logged in to multi-player since it happened. The cheating scene was already bad enough with just lag switches now its just not even worth it. These people have dampened Sony's profit margin. Also before any trolls start posting any response's I realize Sony does not directly profit from online multi-player for the most part but it does affect the bottom line of game sales when directly related to their online experience. These abilities for using home-brew have way mores cons than pro's. I for one say buy a computer and quit trying to make a game console a pc. If your that cheap sale your playstation and buy a computer quit ruining it for everyone else.
i have a hacked PS3 Does that make me a cheater? No. does it tempt me to cheat? No. Am i about to start? No. its called respect for the gaming community. and some have no respect for anything or anyone. so please quit trying to bunch us all up into a demograph, lets leave that to Sony.
also comparing the PS3 to PC is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford 4x4. the PS3 has one of the most powerful computational Processors many have every seen and at around 300 bucks. i for one want to see what it can really do, even if it means cracking the system wide open.
Yeah well that makes you one of the cheapskates I was talking about. The fact of the matter is if you can't afford a awesome computer then you probably are not inclined to do any actual hacking, coding or anything necessary to back up what you are saying. I also believe that if you where you would realize that a operating system be it linux or otherwise does not exist to actually capitalize on the performance gain of a cell processor or else it would actually already be a offering in the pc market. The people who made these hacks realized what all would happen when they started their project and should sleep in the bed that they made. You saying that its not the hackers fault that online play is ruined is like saying that the nazi soldiers are not responsible for all the genocide just because they where following orders.
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26. February 2011 @ 22:48 |
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Originally posted by Neo2369:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Neo2369:
I hate to say this guys but you are only 18 people's opinion of millions and this guy should be made an example of. I don't think the amount is just but he has ruined Sony's reputation with the online community. Online game-play with the PS3 is ruined because these so called messiahs of ps3 hacking community. I have not even logged in to multi-player since it happened. The cheating scene was already bad enough with just lag switches now its just not even worth it. These people have dampened Sony's profit margin. Also before any trolls start posting any response's I realize Sony does not directly profit from online multi-player for the most part but it does affect the bottom line of game sales when directly related to their online experience. These abilities for using home-brew have way mores cons than pro's. I for one say buy a computer and quit trying to make a game console a pc. If your that cheap sale your playstation and buy a computer quit ruining it for everyone else.
i have a hacked PS3 Does that make me a cheater? No. does it tempt me to cheat? No. Am i about to start? No. its called respect for the gaming community. and some have no respect for anything or anyone. so please quit trying to bunch us all up into a demograph, lets leave that to Sony.
also comparing the PS3 to PC is like comparing a Ferrari to a Ford 4x4. the PS3 has one of the most powerful computational Processors many have every seen and at around 300 bucks. i for one want to see what it can really do, even if it means cracking the system wide open.
Yeah well that makes you one of the cheapskates I was talking about. The fact of the matter is if you can't afford a awesome computer then you probably are not inclined to do any actual hacking, coding or anything necessary to back up what you are saying. I also believe that if you where you would realize that a operating system be it linux or otherwise does not exist to actually capitalize on the performance gain of a cell processor or else it would actually already be a offering in the pc market. The people who made these hacks realized what all would happen when they started their project and should sleep in the bed that they made. You saying that its not the hackers fault that online play is ruined is like saying that the nazi soldiers are not responsible for all the genocide just because they where following orders.
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The fact of the matter is if you can't afford a awesome computer then you probably are not inclined to do any actual hacking, coding or anything necessary to back up what you are saying.
how can you make that claim? have you seen my computer? Don't say stuff you cant justify. it will get you burned.
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I also believe that if you where you would realize that a operating system be it linux or otherwise does not exist to actually capitalize on the performance gain of a cell processor or else it would actually already be a offering in the pc market.
Once again your gleaming ignorance is blushing red, They do have cell based computer's there usually used in top of the line servers $3000+, And guess what Linux is the only operating system that runs them at all.
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You saying that its not the hackers fault that online play is ruined is like saying that the nazi soldiers are not responsible for all the genocide just because they where following orders.
that is just about the stupidest comparisons i've ever seen, nobody is going to blow the hackers brains out or murder his entire family because he didn't follow orders. which is what happened during the entirety of the Nazi Regime.
let me ask you this. if the console never had to be hacked and cheater surfaced anyway who would you blame?
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26. February 2011 @ 23:23 |
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
@Originally posted by dEwMe:
I am so tired of hearing people whine that these hackers caused all the cheating on PSN...Sure they enabled it but $ony has done NOTHING to stop it.
That really isn't fair to Sony, i'm not taking any side i would never own a console and can careless either way. But you can't blame Sony for not preventing someone from hacking or exploiting a PS3. Either way whatever comes of this needs to be fair to all parties involved. Sony could be like Microsoft & the XBox, if Microsoft detects you modified you box and connect, you won't be able to get on Live, if they don't brick you box first then disconnect you.
there was on article on here saying sony are gonna be removing/blocking hacked consoles from PSN as hacking the system violates the terms and conditions.
all this guy is doing is finding ways to control/modify software/hardware.yes some of his methods may lead to piracy.knowledge in the wrong hands can have bad results.
someone working for sony shouldnt be able to enter your premises.even if police have a search warrent.
btw what is normal these days???
custom built gaming pc from early 2010,ps2 with 15 games all original,ps3 500gbs with 5 games all original,yamaha amp and 5.1channel surround sound speakers,46inch sony lcd smart tv.
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