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Bon Jovi blames Apple for 'killing music business'

article published on 15 March, 2011

Jon Bon Jovi has blamed Apple and CEO Steve Jobs today for "killing music" with the success of the iTunes digital music platform. The lead singer of the band Bon Jovi says "the magical experience" of buying records in brick-and-mortar stores is now disappearing thanks to iTunes. Says Bon Jovi (via MSN): Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning ... [ read the full article ]

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zxe45
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16. March 2011 @ 06:52 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Right been there got the T shirt of buying LP and CD's but things move on, i buy less and less, at that is at a time when the CD are coming down in price. I agree buy selected tracks id a far better experience and new to people who listened to the whole CD, but i would put them on tapes with best off so no difference.
So we all move with the times..is part of life..and i should know, i was one of those people who would sit in record shops with head phones on listening to music.. but Times they are a changing..sorry Bon son
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16. March 2011 @ 09:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No. Wanting us to pay $14.00 for an album that only had one or two good tracks on it is what ruined it. The rest of the album was all filler and sounded like crap! Quit trying to pass-off the blame. That's why, year's ago, they made 45's. So you only had to pay for what you wanted.
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16. March 2011 @ 13:09 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
So, to shorten the answer, the music business ruined the music business!!
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16. March 2011 @ 13:34 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by malone78:
So, to shorten the answer, the music business ruined the music business!!
I like that answer the most. The arguing is getting ridiculous.
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16. March 2011 @ 21:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
No, Jon Bon Jovi.. Your wrong.. " The Music business" is dead because you and many other bands ARE SELL OUTS!! Keep releasing crap albums with 1 or 2 good songs and then sell it for an insane price.. Yeah its i tunes fault.. Shame on you..

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17. March 2011 @ 09:31 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Ya beat me to the not being able to sell full albums with just the one good song thing...but yeah that is what's burning their a$$.


Just my $0.02,

dEwMe

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17. March 2011 @ 13:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Dude...... the music industry bubble was heading to burst before Napster and the IPOD.....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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17. March 2011 @ 19:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because it used to be common thought, if you just purchase a few songs, you may come to like other tunes on the CD.
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
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17. March 2011 @ 19:12 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because it used to be common thought, if you just purchase a few songs, you may come to like other tunes on the CD.
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

I think 20$ CDs filled with crap did that.....

Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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17. March 2011 @ 19:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

One would think thats a good thing, being poised. Too many youths pretending to be a thug with pants on the ground...wheres the poise in that? I remember back in the day if i wanted music i had to go to the store! Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I wanted an album from the Shelby string quartet, those cats could wail, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...

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17. March 2011 @ 20:24 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Deadrum33:
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:
Steven Jobs can go F himself. He has poised kids minds.
Jeff

One would think thats a good thing, being poised. Too many youths pretending to be a thug with pants on the ground...wheres the poise in that? I remember back in the day if i wanted music i had to go to the store! Like the time I caught the ferry to Shelbyville. I wanted an album from the Shelby string quartet, those cats could wail, so I decided to go to Morganville, which is what they called Shelbyville in those days. So I tied an onion to my belt which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on 'em. Gimme five bees for a quarter, you'd say. Now where was I... oh yeah. The important thing was that I had an onion tied to my belt, which was the style at the time. You couldn't get white onions, because of the war. The only thing you could get was those big yellow ones...
Alltunes.com
I pay between $1.50 to $5.00 for the all the tracks.
Is it legal? I don't know for sure.The server is in Russia so it remains questionable.
No stupid DRM which does nothing that will stop piracy. You can install the music on any device.
That's way it WAS when I was a kid.
Jeff

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dbminter
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25. March 2011 @ 17:21 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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Kids today have missed the whole experience of putting the headphones on, turning it up to 10, holding the jacket, closing their eyes and getting lost in an album; and the beauty of taking your allowance money and making a decision based on the jacket, not knowing what the record sounded like, and looking at a couple of still pictures and imagining it.

God, it was a magical, magical time.

In that one simple statement, so much is encapsulated about the current state of the music industry. He actually laments people not being able to buy music based on its quality but by how pretty the package is that it's placed in.
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26. March 2011 @ 00:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hey lissenup2, or whatever the hell you call yourself, half the forums I visit here on AD your always bashing somebody with your nonsense comments, at 37 as you say you are one usually has grown up by then.

I would your understand your bashing if somebody said something about your Momma or threatened you in some way, but for just offering opinions where the hell do you think come from coming, maybe in growing up Daddy should have givin you a slap upside your head one time and teach you a some manners which you lack.

Every once in a while we all can get a little heated and make a good argument or even go everboard and call somebody an a-hole, were human, but you, you just don't stop.
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26. March 2011 @ 07:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Mysttic:
Also musicians just don't seem to care about quality like they did in the old days. A lot of songs now are garbage on an album. As a teen 20 years ago I could at least count on over 20 bands actually having an entire album I would want on CD, but as the years kept passing on music started sounding the same. Bands borrowed from other bands likeness more and more, dance borrowed from hip hop which borrowed from 80s which borrowed from 60s. Originality paved the way for remakes, and anything that is original still sounds too much like something else.

Maybe I lost my faith in music, but the artists can blame themselves for that. I won't buy from apple's digi-store cause frankly the music I like enough to buy isn't even offered or I already own on CD. Gone are the days as Jovi described, but not all of us have forgotten, and I still think kids can appreciate the albums that matter. Good music will always be good music worth succumbing too; Beetles proved that, and so did a lot of other kings and queens of music throughout the generations.
Not all artists are like that especially indies who have the freedom to put together a great album. I think it is the industry that has ruined their own business through greed and stupidity. They are the ones that insisted on 128 BR for downloaded files which Jobs complained that was too low. Then to make the most money with what he had they bundle ear buds that are so low quality you can't hear the difference between lossless and 128.
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26. March 2011 @ 08:10 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by pirkster:
Originally posted by 21Q:
Why buy a whole album when you can just buy the songs you want? Why create clutter with a mess of cd's when everything can just be digital? Why go to a store to sample music when you can do it in the comfort of your own home? I don't see the point of going to a brick n mortar store.
Because some of the songs and albums some of us lucky enough to have lived in the age of records, tapes, and CDs (age of the album) have become our favorites not because of the hit single from that album, but from the other songs on the album and how they work together to form that album.

Some of my favorite albums are favorites because of the collection of songs that make up the album, not the "hits."

In the digital age, the album is indeed dead. They've been watered down to the "hits" only, where much (if not the vast majority) of the art has been lost.

There never would have been a "Dark Side of the Moon" or "Lamb Lies Down on Broadway" concept album, and artists like Frank Zappa or the Grateful Dead may never have even gotten off the ground in the digital age where you sell only singles.

So... since there actually are Zappas, groups like the Dead, and art/concept albums out there waiting to be discovered - many of those artists are going to die off before they even get started since that kind of art is difficult to financially survive in today's digital age where you must sell empty pop like Britney, Gaga, Beiber, and Kei$ha.

The digital age and selling singles is not an evolution of the old album being bad. The digital age has brought a change in medium, which is in turn is the actual *cause* of today's bad music. Now, what sells is only what's popular - not what's actually good music.
Interesting...

The digital age as freed artists from bondage to the industry. Because you don't need the industry to make and sell your CDs or vinyl indies can survive on their own existing on their pure merit.

Music is subjective and appeals to your intellect so one size does not fit all. Kids having little sophistication prefer simple primitive music. I think that is fine. It is good music for them and bad music for me. The undiscovered Pink Floyds and Zappas are out there but you will not find them at the Apple shop.

Try Kitaro. He is not R&R but his albums are to be played as an album. I prefer Silk Road and Spiritual Garden. I need to be in the mood for him and that only happens when I am frazzled so much I can't think.
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26. March 2011 @ 08:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Jeffrey_P:


Alltunes.com
I pay between $1.50 to $5.00 for the all the tracks.
Is it legal? I don't know for sure.The server is in Russia so it remains questionable.
No stupid DRM which does nothing that will stop piracy. You can install the music on any device.
That's way it WAS when I was a kid.
Jeff

No it can't be legal because the licensing costs more than that. However, you didn't do anything illegal to get your music. I may check it out that is a fair price. Because the industry does not get their cut it is even more attractive to me. Are the tunes 128 BR?
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26. March 2011 @ 08:55 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by lissenup2:


I'm 37 about to turn 38 at the end of May you putz!

and you rattled such feeble-minded, incoherent gibberish with no merit that I lost interest half way through.

And you must be young because "subjective" is defined as:"pertaining to or characteristic of an individual; personal; individual: a subjective evaluation"............in other words, HOW YOU SEE IT and not HOW IT IS AS PERTAINED TO THE OBJECT.

So your incompetence basically just stated that I/we should look at this from MY point of view. Get a clue and an education and with that will come a rational thought.

As for the topic at hand, Napster started this and Jobs did not.

And as for Metallica, the black album rocked! It was the next one that lost its meaning and the fanbase. Check your head. You're a waste of my time that now I can't get back..........Shame!
That is only your point of view. You seen to have a problem with an opinion that differs from you. I don't think you opinions have any masterful incite that everyone else has missed. You are untitled to you opinion but I do not think piracy has does a much harm as many believe.

The industry would not have gotten that money anyway. People have a budget for entertainment. Students with no money could listen to all the music they liked. People will not spend money they don't have or rob banks to pay for their music. When I was a teen there were always a few LPs on sale for 3 USDs at the local shop. Now, it would cost me 20. What piracy as done is allowed another generation to enjoy music which they would not have because the industry has priced themselves out of the market. As their personal economy improves they will buy more. Me personally, I used to only buy 1-2 CDs per year. Now it is closer to 10. If I find a great album I prefer to buy the CD but I would never spend 20 just to see if I liked it.
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26. March 2011 @ 11:20 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
The RIAA has already hammered the last nails in the coffin in their feeble minded attempts to manufacture talent.The industry are the ones responsible for killing music. Tossers
 
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