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Geohot insults Sony, but denies any involvement with PSN breach
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article published on 28 April, 2011
Not that he really had, George "Geohot" Hotz has denied all involvement with the recent PSN security breach.
For our latest coverage on the hack that got 77 million people's personal info stolen, check here: Sony sees first lawsuit over massive PSN security hack
Taking some parting shots at Sony but denying all involvement, Geohot wrote out a long blog post.
Hotz recently settled ... [ read the full article ]
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28. April 2011 @ 23:25 |
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@ saintaqua - Hackers are not to blame in this - sony started this whole mess - if you buy a ps3 you should be able to do whatever you want with it. Homebrew is an option to any ps3 owner and shouldn't be considered illegal by any means. The creators should by no means be taken to court. Whoever hacked all those usernames, passwords, cc numbers... etc shouldn't have done so... but you can't put the blame on the hackers.
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28. April 2011 @ 23:52 |
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I seem to remember a case brought up against Nintendo many many years ago in regards to what the consumer could do with the NES cartridges once they were purchased. I believe that Nintendo stated that it was still their property and that you really were only leasing it. The case was eventually judged in favor of the consumer and it was stated that if you wanted to use your NES cartridge to steady a wobbly table, then you had all rights as a consumer to do so.
The advent of EULA has changed many aspects of this scenario, but at the end of the day, the consumer should be able to decide what they want to do with whatever product that their hard earned dollars purchased.
If this means rooting/jailbreaking/homebrew, then so be it.
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29. April 2011 @ 00:25 |
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Geohot made no mistakes and it is unfair to accuse him of so. For someone who doesn't know about the story other than what the media said let me make an easier to understand analogy for you... set in caveman days!
Geohot invents a knife, which is great, people can now cut their food more easily, cook in more inventive ways and whittle wood into cool little toys. Geohot tells everyone about this useful and fun invention he himself created with materials that he owned and others did the same and enjoyed the benefits. As they do he makes sure to tell them, "Hey these could hurt someone if used the wrong way so don't go around stabbing people, I don't condone that sort of thing and neither should you". But of course as the invention spreads some people decide to use it for illegal reasons which is out of Geohot's hands and clearly not his fault. Though it was his invention that was used, it was clearly not made to do that, and had many other legitimate legal uses.
Knife=Homebrew enabling hack
Stabbing=Illegal use (pirated games etc)
Make any more sense now?
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29. April 2011 @ 03:49 |
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Originally posted by JonEleven:
@SaintAqua
Geohot made no mistakes and it is unfair to accuse him of so. For someone who doesn't know about the story other than what the media said let me make an easier to understand analogy for you... set in caveman days!
Geohot invents a knife, which is great, people can now cut their food more easily, cook in more inventive ways and whittle wood into cool little toys. Geohot tells everyone about this useful and fun invention he himself created with materials that he owned and others did the same and enjoyed the benefits. As they do he makes sure to tell them, "Hey these could hurt someone if used the wrong way so don't go around stabbing people, I don't condone that sort of thing and neither should you". But of course as the invention spreads some people decide to use it for illegal reasons which is out of Geohot's hands and clearly not his fault. Though it was his invention that was used, it was clearly not made to do that, and had many other legitimate legal uses.
Knife=Homebrew enabling hack
Stabbing=Illegal use (pirated games etc)
Make any more sense now?
I think the analogy is close but not truly representative. I would suggest to be correct the knife is what Sony made and everyone else that purchased one from Sony. In turn Geohot found ways to modify and utilize the knife in new and different ways and shared it with others for free.
The one problem I can see with this, not that I agree with it is the terms of use of the device, the PS3 for this matter, and i'll be the first to say i've not read the end user license. If it says something like you are bound to the terms Sony lays down and you accept these terms by connecting your PS3 to the PS3 network... The Sony, good or bad has a case, much like software you never purchase it, while you may physically possess it, technically you more than often only have a lease and bound by the company's terms if you decide to use a company's software.
The one point i think some users clearly have a valid case for going after Sony is the removal of functionally if that is a contributing factor of why people purchased a PS3, saw one user demanding a refund for the loss of functionality because of upgrading the PD3's ROM....
Honestly i feel sorry for sony's users but also for sony as they use to be a company i liked a lot of their products. Seems in the end there will be no winners everyone will simply lose and nothing good will come out of this. Full of Fail for everyone involved.
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29. April 2011 @ 06:05 |
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The homebrew/OtherOS/CFW hacking crowd warned sony (and everyone) that they were mishandling CC information in dangerous and pointless ways...maybe some hackers used that information to steal information...but Sony should have used that information to secure their servers and processes...and they didn't. It was their mistake in design, and it was their lack of action that caused the disaster. Then, it was their delayed announcement that likely caused a lot of CC fraud and identity theft.
...and Sony can't even sue anyone this time, because this is being done by criminals...and criminals don't post their names and addresses online with their work. All this time attacking innocent developers like Graf has left Sony unable to combat a real enemy.
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29. April 2011 @ 10:08 |
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Originally posted by saintaqua:
What a bitter person he is.
Yeah, Sony messed up, but so did this jerk.
I hope this set of hackers who did this pay dearly and in prison.
I hope Geo and those maggots at Anon grow up and stop screwing with other people's stuff.
The hackers are 80% to blame in this.
First off, you're a goof and second, your head is up your arse. Third, this comment is sincerely without merit as "bitterness" wasn't really in this article. It was more along the lines of a defense of himself, clarifying hacker from cracker and how he honors the integrity of the hacker community regarding what it's "supposed to do". One can't blame him for not liking Sony as Sony NO MATTER WHAT truly has no ground or justification for attacking people that compromise their own OWNED AND PURCHASED Playstation.
Next time rethink your meritless comment.
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29. April 2011 @ 13:18 |
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Just came across this post by someone that makes a lot of reasonable sense ~
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Geohot is a hacker..he does it to make thing's do what they were not meant to do.
Im a Hacker myself. but here is where me an him differ..I follow Prudence he does not. How do i know Simple really.
He did not follow the Law of prudence:
He may say it's mine I can do anything i want with it, while i agree with that..but as soon as you post what you did online it's no longer about just you it's now about US
ie: everyone else.
Now you can say freedom of Information an all which i think freedom of speech is great you have a a due conviction to follow prudence in what you do.
Linux was allowed on the PS3 with Restrictions, that you as the end user cannot have direct access to the PS3's GPU..the developer's an Publisher's have to pay for that privilage.
Last time i check that is the right of the creator to decide that not the consumer.
Sony had too their part of their income stream is licence development developer's it's the same if people were using Epic's unreal game engine you have to pay for it.
Investors would expect Sony to protect that.
I really find it funny how Sony allowed Homebrew, Emulators and more via OtherOS and because GeoHot wanted MORE (RSX etc) and pushed Sony to take action to protect themselves, people got pissed at Sony when they should be mad at GeoHot. WE ALL HAD THE ABILITY TO USE OTHER OS AND IT'S CAPABILITIES AS IT STOOD BEFORE HE DID WHAT HE DID. Sony had absolutely no problems with ANYONE doing whatever they did with OtherOS. This comes down to PIRACY and that is what certain people don't have the balls to admit in public because they want to hide behind "consumer rights". PERIOD.
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29. April 2011 @ 13:30 |
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by JonEleven:
@SaintAqua
Geohot made no mistakes and it is unfair to accuse him of so. For someone who doesn't know about the story other than what the media said let me make an easier to understand analogy for you... set in caveman days!
Geohot invents a knife, which is great, people can now cut their food more easily, cook in more inventive ways and whittle wood into cool little toys. Geohot tells everyone about this useful and fun invention he himself created with materials that he owned and others did the same and enjoyed the benefits. As they do he makes sure to tell them, "Hey these could hurt someone if used the wrong way so don't go around stabbing people, I don't condone that sort of thing and neither should you". But of course as the invention spreads some people decide to use it for illegal reasons which is out of Geohot's hands and clearly not his fault. Though it was his invention that was used, it was clearly not made to do that, and had many other legitimate legal uses.
Knife=Homebrew enabling hack
Stabbing=Illegal use (pirated games etc)
Make any more sense now?
I think the analogy is close but not truly representative. I would suggest to be correct the knife is what Sony made and everyone else that purchased one from Sony. In turn Geohot found ways to modify and utilize the knife in new and different ways and shared it with others for free.
The one problem I can see with this, not that I agree with it is the terms of use of the device, the PS3 for this matter, and i'll be the first to say i've not read the end user license. If it says something like you are bound to the terms Sony lays down and you accept these terms by connecting your PS3 to the PS3 network... The Sony, good or bad has a case, much like software you never purchase it, while you may physically possess it, technically you more than often only have a lease and bound by the company's terms if you decide to use a company's software.
The one point i think some users clearly have a valid case for going after Sony is the removal of functionally if that is a contributing factor of why people purchased a PS3, saw one user demanding a refund for the loss of functionality because of upgrading the PD3's ROM....
Honestly i feel sorry for sony's users but also for sony as they use to be a company i liked a lot of their products. Seems in the end there will be no winners everyone will simply lose and nothing good will come out of this. Full of Fail for everyone involved.
Screw terms of agreement... I understand that they're there to secure game content and ensure no theft takes place. I don't think a single gamer reads the EULA. It's 40 pages of lawyer bullcrap. Now I don't know this for a fact but I'm pretty sure that no where in the EULA does it specify that once you purchase a game console you're technically leasing it from the corporation and can't modify it in any way shape or form. Next thing you know you can't add cooling fans because oh shit you've just violated a license agreement.
The whole thing has just gotten ridiculous. Sony messed with the wrong people and those people perhaps took things too far but in the end I personally think if you're selling a product the consumer should have the right to do whatever they please with that product otherwise the gun industry I'm sure would be facing a lot more manslaughter charges. :D
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29. April 2011 @ 13:40 |
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Originally posted by matt75371:
Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Originally posted by JonEleven:
@SaintAqua
Geohot made no mistakes and it is unfair to accuse him of so. For someone who doesn't know about the story other than what the media said let me make an easier to understand analogy for you... set in caveman days!
Geohot invents a knife, which is great, people can now cut their food more easily, cook in more inventive ways and whittle wood into cool little toys. Geohot tells everyone about this useful and fun invention he himself created with materials that he owned and others did the same and enjoyed the benefits. As they do he makes sure to tell them, "Hey these could hurt someone if used the wrong way so don't go around stabbing people, I don't condone that sort of thing and neither should you". But of course as the invention spreads some people decide to use it for illegal reasons which is out of Geohot's hands and clearly not his fault. Though it was his invention that was used, it was clearly not made to do that, and had many other legitimate legal uses.
Knife=Homebrew enabling hack
Stabbing=Illegal use (pirated games etc)
Make any more sense now?
I think the analogy is close but not truly representative. I would suggest to be correct the knife is what Sony made and everyone else that purchased one from Sony. In turn Geohot found ways to modify and utilize the knife in new and different ways and shared it with others for free.
The one problem I can see with this, not that I agree with it is the terms of use of the device, the PS3 for this matter, and i'll be the first to say i've not read the end user license. If it says something like you are bound to the terms Sony lays down and you accept these terms by connecting your PS3 to the PS3 network... The Sony, good or bad has a case, much like software you never purchase it, while you may physically possess it, technically you more than often only have a lease and bound by the company's terms if you decide to use a company's software.
The one point i think some users clearly have a valid case for going after Sony is the removal of functionally if that is a contributing factor of why people purchased a PS3, saw one user demanding a refund for the loss of functionality because of upgrading the PD3's ROM....
Honestly i feel sorry for sony's users but also for sony as they use to be a company i liked a lot of their products. Seems in the end there will be no winners everyone will simply lose and nothing good will come out of this. Full of Fail for everyone involved.
Screw terms of agreement... I understand that they're there to secure game content and ensure no theft takes place. I don't think a single gamer reads the EULA. It's 40 pages of lawyer bullcrap. Now I don't know this for a fact but I'm pretty sure that no where in the EULA does it specify that once you purchase a game console you're technically leasing it from the corporation and can't modify it in any way shape or form. Next thing you know you can't add cooling fans because oh shit you've just violated a license agreement.
The whole thing has just gotten ridiculous. Sony messed with the wrong people and those people perhaps took things too far but in the end I personally think if you're selling a product the consumer should have the right to do whatever they please with that product otherwise the gun industry I'm sure would be facing a lot more manslaughter charges. :D
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But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
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Originally posted by Oner:
But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
Depends if you have a Class 3 Firearm permit, which are really easy to get.
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I totally disagree with ANYONE that believes that just because Sony "created" the system that it's immoral or "not right" to modify the OS.
With that mentality.......we should NEVER put gas other than the rated octane in our cars because the manfr. said so......NOT
....we should never root our phones.....NOT
....we should tinker nor attempt to improve upon ANYTHING that is sold to us because the manfr said so.
That's a Stalinistic way of looking at life and frankly a clear indication that those that think this way should have their decision making ability stripped.
Plain and simple....product was made, sold and bought. Ownership means just that....OWNED and hence one may do WHATEVER the F they want with what they paid hard earned money for.
Sheople......Sad world we live in. Stay objective people!!
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Oner:
But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
Depends if you have a Class 3 Firearm permit, which are really easy to get.
100% True. Though I wouldn't call them "easy to get" but for this discussion it fits as you would have to pay fees and follow steps by applying for a Class 3 which would then allow you to modify the gun...thus, in turn, it's no different than say paying for a developers licence then now isn't it? It's actually a very good analogy when you think of it.
@ lissenup3 you are FAR from being "objective". You are being closed minded and hard headed/stubborn for whatever reason. You do not "own", support, nor created the software. You "own" the hardware that is it. Nobody is saying you cannot do whatever you want with what is your IN THE PRIVACY OF YOUR HOME. But when you take it upon yourself to leak or use STOLEN intellectual copyrighted property of others to the public there are consequences.
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Excellent point Oner, your analogy of a gun and modifying it for full auto, or possibly a silencer (thus external) fits perfectly.
On the other hand, sure some of these licenses are easily obtainable when following the process... Then again talk to my friend of mine that ordered stuff for which he had all the proper permits for. Now from time to time he has FBI agents searching everything at his house, office, car...
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Some would argue that the law preventing you from modifying a weapon is also wrong. It is a good analogy.
As for the EULA, you can put anything you want in there. That doesn't make it legal.
You cannot put things which are illegal into a EULA and that means that if the court says that when you buy a Playstation you OWN that playstation no amount of EULA lawyer speak can change that.
What is really the issue here is the law that lets companies like Sony get away with this crap. It should CLEARLY be illegal to SELL you a product and then claim that the EULA says you are only leasing it, but the stupid government won't do what is right and is instead doing what the corps are telling them to do.
That is why stuff like this happens. People are tired of getting the shaft and are showing their wrath in acts of civil disobedience. It's not going to stop here, I fear.
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
Excellent point Oner, being true to the facts at hand your analogy fits perfectly.
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Originally posted by ThePastor:
Some would argue that the law preventing you from modifying a weapon is also wrong.
VERY good point, but then you are getting into 2nd amendment rights or how the laws are there to really penalize criminals who make illegal guns fully auto and a whole other side issue of which detracts from the base point of the analogy about how you can legally do things without hurting yourself, others & companies.
Think about it...if you have the ability to do something legally then why do it illegally if you have the capability? Again just like how we had OtherOS for homebrew, emulators and such only for someone to get it removed to later bitch about it all while not even acknowledging you were the specific reason it was taken away.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Oner:
But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
Depends if you have a Class 3 Firearm permit, which are really easy to get.
100% True. Though I wouldn't call them "easy to get" but for this discussion it fits as you would have to pay fees and follow steps by applying for a Class 3 which would then allow you to modify the gun...thus, in turn, it's no different than say paying for a developers licence then now isn't it? It's actually a very good analogy when you think of it.
except under your analogy there's a governing body that makes getting permit affordable, Sony's developers licensing is nothing short of bullshit. its like 3 grand per seat, and what upstart dev has 3 grand to blow on chance? you could buy $3000 worth scratch off tickets with more of a chance to come out ahead.
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29. April 2011 @ 16:01 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by DXR88:
Originally posted by Oner:
But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
Depends if you have a Class 3 Firearm permit, which are really easy to get.
100% True. Though I wouldn't call them "easy to get" but for this discussion it fits as you would have to pay fees and follow steps by applying for a Class 3 which would then allow you to modify the gun...thus, in turn, it's no different than say paying for a developers licence then now isn't it? It's actually a very good analogy when you think of it.
except under your analogy there's a governing body that makes getting permit affordable, Sony's developers licensing is nothing short of bullshit. its like 3 grand per seat, and what upstart dev has 3 grand to blow on chance? you could buy $3000 worth scratch off tickets with more of a chance to come out ahead.
This might be where the analogy breaks down a little, but in turn if i look at the different options for rifle scopes, there were only a couple that provided some of the features i desired, in turn i bought one scope with a very specific reason, now i get a inch grouping at 300 yards :)
My point? It is a free market to purchase what you desire for what matches your goals. If you're a developers then you can choose what systems you'll port your games to. Don't like the ante for that system, then select another.
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Sony is 100% responsible for this for one reason and one reason only. When you sign the ToS and EULA, then give your information for the exchange of playing online, you are trusting the company to protect said information.
Sony can not in good consciousness or validate with actual evidence to the fact that they did all they could to protect against an attack. Nor did they in a reasonably timely manner brief the public and the trusted governments of each nation whom had identity theft taken place due to this incident.
Worse, FBI is now probing an investigation into Sony and hackers both, to determine if Sony could have done anything to protect the consumers months ago, when it first new about an intrusion.
You can blame hackers you want, but at the end of the day, these corporations are meant to protect data the VERY minute they agreed to take it. There are laws set up in every country to protect consumers against this kind of threat, and Sony clearly violated a few of them. Which exactly those laws that were violated per country is currently an on-going investigation.
That said, for any of those that had their credit cards compromised: if you were smart and got insurance for your card, then even if you were one of the victims that feel through to fraud charges on your card, your credit card company should and would reimburse the difference and mail you a new card to help prevent this from happening again to which they advise like Sony has, to change your password just in case.
No matter what happens from here on out, one thing will be certain. Sony lost a lot of public trust in one of the worst data loss of the century, and nobody will forget. Other companies will be glad they user tighter security measures and will look to tightening it further knowing that relying on EULAs, ToSs and lawyers alone, gets you no where.
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Originally posted by SomeBozo:
This might be where the analogy breaks down a little...
That is the problem with analogies...
Originally posted by Mysttic:
Sony can not in good consciousness or validate with actual evidence to the fact that they did all they could to protect against an attack. Nor did they in a reasonably timely manner brief the public and the trusted governments of each nation whom had identity theft taken place due to this incident....
You can blame hackers you want, but at the end of the day, these corporations are meant to protect data the VERY minute they agreed to take it. There are laws set up in every country to protect consumers against this kind of threat, and Sony clearly violated a few of them. Which exactly those laws that were violated per country is currently an on-going investigation.
I do blame the hackers. If they didn't do what they did, the data would have been fine as it was. As far as the timely response matter I posted about that in another thread ~
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"I wanted to take this opportunity to clarify a point and answer one of the most frequently asked questions today.
There?s a difference in timing between when we identified there was an intrusion and when we learned of consumers? data being compromised. We learned there was an intrusion April 19th and subsequently shut the services down. We then brought in outside experts to help us learn how the intrusion occurred and to conduct an investigation to determine the nature and scope of the incident. It was necessary to conduct several days of forensic analysis, and it took our experts until yesterday to understand the scope of the breach. We then shared that information with our consumers and announced it publicly this afternoon."
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I see the hackers who were responsible for stealing the data as a part of the problem. With that in mind I don't think anonymous is to blame for any of this. Granted that anonymous brought this issue into bigger light they are not the culprit. I agree with ThePastor that the consumers are getting really tired of getting shafted by these huge corporations. Video game prices are through the roof and the consoles to play them aren't getting any cheaper either. Putting the price rant aside :D the whole issue comes down to whether or not you are free to do what you wish with a product you paid for. In my opinion you are and if you agree with that then sony is in the wrong. If you disagree and think that the computer you're visiting this website with is still ownership of the manufacturer (dell, asus what have you) and that installation of linux on your system or on any other hardware (routers, phones... etc) is illegal then sony is right. In my eyes if you think that... you should probably visit a local hospital and get registered for an MRI scan. :P
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Originally posted by Oner:
But you can't modify the gun to shoot fully automatic as that's illegal now isn't it? You can add parts either internally and externally to customize it to your liking/needs to an extent, but when it crosses a line of which that is not within the law anymore you are doing something illegal. That seems to be the better analogy in this case.
We're not talking about a firearm here. The same could be spoken in proper context of an automobile (although taking a PS3 out for a spin is probably still a bit out of the question). After purchasing the car, you can modify it to the n'th degree. There is no repercussions other than those that have a warranty on the modifying parts.
What I believe has gotten out of hand over all (in the whole scheme of things here) is that Greed has believed itself to have full control over human beings and not the situation.
Sony & corporations like them need to stop trying to control the human factor & try to maintain control over their situations; otherwise this continuous over-swing of the pendulum is going to find itself becoming a propeller of doom.
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Originally posted by matt75371:
I see the hackers who were responsible for stealing the data as a part of the problem. With that in mind I don't think anonymous is to blame for any of this. Granted that anonymous brought this issue into bigger light they are not the culprit. I agree with ThePastor that the consumers are getting really tired of getting shafted by these huge corporations. Video game prices are through the roof and the consoles to play them aren't getting any cheaper either. Putting the price rant aside :D the whole issue comes down to whether or not you are free to do what you wish with a product you paid for. In my opinion you are and if you agree with that then sony is in the wrong. If you disagree and think that the computer you're visiting this website with is still ownership of the manufacturer (dell, asus what have you) and that installation of linux on your system or on any other hardware (routers, phones... etc) is illegal then sony is right. In my eyes if you think that... you should probably visit a local hospital and get registered for an MRI scan. :P
actually console prices have really remained static since the NES days. my NES Brand new with Laser gun, Arcade Pad,and SMB\Duckhunt ran right about $150 if you calculate modern inflation that's about $400 bucks.
games are so expensive because of licensing fee's you have the developer licensing fee's depending on your size and whom your are developing for this can range from $1500.oo all the way up to a million bucks. you have a fee tagged on to every sale last i heard it was almost 25 bucks, then you have demography to worry about Pal/NTSC etc. then after all that you have give the Publisher a percentage of the remainder.
at the end of the day what are you the man/woman that poured his/her heart into the art the wanted to share with the world left with? not as much as you think.
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29. April 2011 @ 17:44 |
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LMFAO!
Hotz is not only funny, but right in so many ways lol. I've got nothing to argue about haha
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