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Sony confirms it must delay restoration of PSN
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article published on 7 May, 2011
Sony has said early Saturday that it must delay the restoration of PSN, although last week it promised to have the service up-and-running by Sunday.
A spokesperson simply said restoring PSN this week "would not be possible" and left no set date for its return.
Additionally, Sony said it removed the stolen personal info of 2500 PSN users that had been posted on a website.
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brockie
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7. May 2011 @ 01:21 |
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not the best news but better to be 100% safe so take as long as it needs loads of great SP games to finish.
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7. May 2011 @ 01:34 |
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It will never be 100% safe...it is Sony. They started with great security; the best of any gaming platform in history...and then they cut corners until it was a joke. Even if sony does the security correctly this time, they will just let it rot away again...Sony NEVER learns lessons.
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brockie
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7. May 2011 @ 01:53 |
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that is your opinion not mine I think they will do there best to try & prevent it. the system would still be running if the hackers left it alone I blame them.
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7. May 2011 @ 02:40 |
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I blame Sony, look at it this way. If Sony were a bank they wouldn't have a vault and would just stack the money on tables. At night they would lock the public glass doors but leave the employs door cracked open with a quarter. I wouldn't bank there. Yes anyone taking the money would be wrong but not using a vault and other forms of securing the bank is Sonys wrong.
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7. May 2011 @ 04:12 |
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Originally posted by themind:
I blame Sony, look at it this way. If Sony were a bank they wouldn't have a vault and would just stack the money on tables. At night they would lock the public glass doors but leave the employs door cracked open with a quarter. I wouldn't bank there. Yes anyone taking the money would be wrong but not using a vault and other forms of securing the bank is Sonys wrong.
so right...
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navi1199
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7. May 2011 @ 06:00 |
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man last year I moved from xbox 360 to sony ps3 only because they offered free online gaming, and now I have to go through this crap... I still refuse to pay xbox's fees because I don't play online enough to pay but I want to play online when I feel like it, and think it's wrong for them to charge... and after it's all set and done no matter where you go you'll be @## raped :<
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7. May 2011 @ 06:24 |
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There is always PC...the games cost less and online gaming is free for most games. Plus, homebrew is not only accepted, but encouraged. Developers even release tools to make game modding easier!
Too bad that building a PC to match the graphics of a $300 PS3 costs $600+.
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Interestx
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7. May 2011 @ 06:49 |
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Why would anyone trust their banking details to a game console anyways?
Beyond stupid if you ask me.
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7. May 2011 @ 08:06 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Why would anyone trust their banking details to a game console anyways?
Beyond stupid if you ask me.
You're not serious, are you?
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jpc1284
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7. May 2011 @ 08:13 |
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It's Sony. They do not listen to the customer. It sucks that their services are down but at the same time they asked for it. By attacking the hacker population with law suits and removal of Other OS they essential kicked a hornets nest. There will always be piracy and hackers will always crack what ever security they put in.
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7. May 2011 @ 08:58 |
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Loyal sony fans are learning the same lessons that loyal nazi supporters learned in WWII.
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7. May 2011 @ 10:04 |
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The PSN being down right now really is not interrupting my life at all. I have lots of other things I can do. Worrying about my address being stolen really isn't a concern since that is like public info anyways. Sony can't rush the re-launch of PSN and I don't want them to.
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xtago
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7. May 2011 @ 12:31 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
There is always PC...the games cost less and online gaming is free for most games. Plus, homebrew is not only accepted, but encouraged. Developers even release tools to make game modding easier!
Too bad that building a PC to match the graphics of a $300 PS3 costs $600+.
Modding games, isn't home brew. it's modding.
And that $600 PS would be a 3gig I7 or 6core AMD CPU, with a better GFX chip than any of the consoles, in other words be top line stuff PC stuff is extremely cheap right now.
As the new stuff isn't out now and probably a few years before the next level comes out for the PC.
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7. May 2011 @ 12:57 |
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What if I want to play Uncharted? :S
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dEwMe
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7. May 2011 @ 15:06 |
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+1 to the bank analogy!!!! (Srry I can't quote for some reason)
ANYONE that has anything valuable of their own or especialy someone else's needs to know there are people out there that would take it from them if given the opportunity. If you entrust something of value (say your financial info) to someone (say Sony) you must be able to trust they are taking the proper steps to keep it safe and out of the hands of those who would like to take it.
I can't understand anyone that can't see that not only did Sony not take the proper steps to keep your info safe BUT they also took the further steps of repeatedly pissing off just the people who could take it.
Sony brought this on themselves! I really feel bad for those who's info is now out in the wild but don't think Sony isn't to blame for a second.
If your info is at risk and you haven't taken steps to secure it (cancel your CC or have the # changed AND taken advantage of the free identity theft protection) then I blame you as well if you get taken because of this...
Just my $0.02,
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brockie
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7. May 2011 @ 15:29 |
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@KillerBug man that is lost it! Sony make great games that is why I got the console never let me down. your a Sony hater so every comment you make is putting them down because you never got your own way.
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7. May 2011 @ 16:02 |
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The bank analogy is not correct as it is excessively unrealistic & over the top. I believe this is a better example ~ When you walk into a bank the vault doors are always open for business. Is that a vulnerability? Yes. Does that mean you could, let alone should, just walk up to it and take money. No. Does it happen YES. By CRIMINALS who want to exploit the vulnerability. Just because you "can" does not mean you "should". I really don't understand the amount of excuses in support to those who STOLE YOUR INFORMATION to begin with.
The server vulnerability was a known exploit to the world that many other companies had/have as well. Do I believe Sony was ignorant to an extent? Hell Yes. Did Sony deserve some sort of "attack" on them? That is up to each individual to say so. But does the end user, consumer or owner of said product deserve what has happened to them? Nope. Not one bit. If you believe otherwise then there is no discussion with you to be had. Only an argument of which gets no one nowhere. Additionally there are many more exploits out there (known and unknown) and it is absolutely impossible to protect against all of them.
You have a problem with "Sony" go right ahead and "attack" them, don't buy their products, whatever. But what does Joe Public have to do with this? They bear no culpability in this whatsoever, and now have to deal with risk issues when it comes to their details.
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Interestx
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7. May 2011 @ 17:09 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
You're not serious, are you?
Yes indeed I am......but then I'm not one of those dumb enough to go in for on-line banking either.
However you slice it it is asking for trouble and the consumer is always going to be a distant 2nd or 3rd best consideration in the convenience & operation of that type of business.
Go further down the food-chain - waaaaaaay down the food-chain to game consoles - and (as we can plainly see) the situation is just so much worse.
Maybe some won't be quite so blazé about these things in future, but I doubt it, people seem to fall over themselves to hand out all sorts of personal info about themselves and financial info is often just as freely given.
It's quite insane in my opinion.
You're welcome to yours......I just hope your details aren't being sold off & you don't end up grossly inconvenienced by this nonsense.
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brockie
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7. May 2011 @ 18:49 |
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@Oner makes perfect sense to me totally agree.
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7. May 2011 @ 19:39 |
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@Oner
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I really don't understand the amount of excuses in support to those who STOLE YOUR INFORMATION to begin with.
I never gave an excuse for anyone that broke the law.
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The bank analogy is not correct as it is excessively unrealistic & over the top.
You said it yourself, it was a known vulnerability, hence front door is locked, back door was not. As for leaving the money on the table with no vault, that's because all the personal info - was not - at all - encrypted.
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7. May 2011 @ 20:10 |
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Damn was pissed initially but then again what am I paying for PSN? Wish the weather outside was better though.
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7. May 2011 @ 20:10 |
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Originally posted by themind:
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I really don't understand the amount of excuses in support to those who STOLE YOUR INFORMATION to begin with.
I never gave an excuse for anyone that broke the law.
That wasn't aimed at you (nor anyone for that matter), just a general comment as to what I have seen everywhere.
Originally posted by themind:
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The bank analogy is not correct as it is excessively unrealistic & over the top.
You said it yourself, it was a known vulnerability, hence front door is locked, back door was not. As for leaving the money on the table with no vault, that's because all the personal info - was not - at all - encrypted.
Still doesn't make it right. Plus that vulnerability was a recent one, and up until that point it WAS invulnerable. That is the nature of the beast, in this case and many others (banks, government agencies etc). And to say "all the personal info was not at all encrypted" is not exactly the whole correct story/information now is it ~
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One other point to clarify is from this weekend?s press conference. While the passwords that were stored were not ?encrypted,? they were transformed using a cryptographic hash function. There is a difference between these two types of security measures which is why we said the passwords had not been encrypted. But I want to be very clear that the passwords were not stored in our database in cleartext form. For a description of the difference between encryption and hashing, follow this link.
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Either way it's a moot subject, as whoever is responsible for doing this I would guess to believe are probably skilled enough to bypass an "encryption" as well.
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Run4two
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7. May 2011 @ 20:24 |
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I'm having trouble seeing how it wasn't somehow an employee of Sony who either directly or indirectly led to this. It's much more logical than thinking any hacker did this without insider info.
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SomeBozo
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7. May 2011 @ 21:05 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It will never be 100% safe...it is Sony. They started with great security; the best of any gaming platform in history...and then they cut corners until it was a joke. Even if sony does the security correctly this time, they will just let it rot away again...Sony NEVER learns lessons.
Sorry i would disagree, some of the reports from forensic security analysis shows Sony had out of date software that was never patched and even worse there were no firewalls in place. You say they started with great security or were you simply trying to joke? That is actually no security, not even poor, how is that they started with great security when none existed?
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8. May 2011 @ 03:02 |
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Can they just please restore this asap because i wanna sign in and i hope also that they make the security a lot stronger than what it was. Can we please have a date time frame something.
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