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Retailers reporting influx of PS3 trade-ins for Xbox 360s
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article published on 12 May, 2011
Edge is reporting today that retailers are starting to see the effects of the over 3-week-long PSN outage, with an influx of consumers trading their PS3s in for cash or Xbox 360s.
Furthermore, sales of PSN points cards are almost non-existent and the ratio has begun to shift for multi-platform games, with Xbox taking the lion's share.
One manager at a UK retailer had this to say:
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Alright people, if you're complaining about $45/year (Yes, it's that price if you know where to look), then you shouldn't own a console and your priorities should be saving money. PSN is free and I used to think it's the same thing. For the most part, they are the same thing. There are the minor things in 360 such as less lag, better wifi handling, faster searching for games, and all the other Microsoft add ons which is what they're charging for. Yes, it'd be better if it was free but I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be as good. I'm not saying I'm all PS3, the interface is garbage. Trying to find what you want in a huge list of downloads in NXE is impossible. The PlayStation Store interface is much better. Also I love the XMB. It takes a little getting used to on 360 to find what you want, also on a big screen, the XMB looks much cleaner. Think about it this way, if you give the PS3 and 360 to somebody who's never seen them before and ask them to start Netflix, I can guarantee you that they'd be able to figure it out on PS3 over 360. 360's interface just looks overwhelming.
I'm happy with my Live subscription. I definitely feel like I'm getting what I paid for.
not a complaint, i should not have to pay anything else than $60.00 to enjoy my game in the fullness that i was entitled too.
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There are the minor things in 360 such as less lag, better wifi handling, faster searching for games
less lag = Opinion, the fact is its based on wan capability of the host among other things.
Better Wifi handling = i hope so you paid $40~$50 bucks for a dongle accessory.
faster searching for games = Preference, ever since they ditched the blade system, i can never find what I'm looking for the first time. the new system is a folder inside of a folder in a folder its annoying an inefficient.
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all the other Microsoft add ons
what add on....oh yeah the one that allows you to play your fully payed for Game in multiplayer. the truth is i can do everything you can do with silver status except play my games online.
if you like Shelling out $45 dollars to the digital highwaymen that's your own choice. im just stating it shouldn't be allowed to happen. when you bought the game you payed for a license entitling you to both online and offline portions of that game. along comes MS and says no you no longer have that right. pay us or get half of your game taken away.
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15. May 2011 @ 03:59 |
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Oh come on Dexter, $20 a month is what WoW might cost...
I just checked and it's US $60 for a year's subscription to Gold. And Core2's correct you yanks can get it even cheaper.
You should be laughing. What sh!ts me is that you go on about paying a whole $60 a game! Do we Aussies have "d!ckhead mugs" tattooed on our foreheads? We must, because M$, $ony and whomever charge us AU $100~120 per fricken game and our dollar is now worth over US $1.05!
And no reach-around either with a local server provided. Pfft, that's far more worthwhile to b!tch about than a measly couple of dollars a month at the most. Thanks a f-load Phony, Microshat et' all. And f the Oz fanboyz who let them get away with it.
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Microsoft can do whatever they want to for online. You're using THEIR servers. The agreement is just that the game developers let you play the game online, they don't specify who will host it.
The Wifi adapter cost me $25, even if it cost me $60, I really wouldn't care. At least it works. PS3's Wifi is shit. The new 360s have it built in and it's still better than PS3. That's my biggest complaint on PS3.
Less lag is a YES 100%. I have 4 PS3s and 4 360s (and 1 Wii cause the suck...lol) 1 360 and 1 PS3 is wired and the rest are wireless, they are all next to each other on the same TV. In each case, the 360 will lag MUCH less on COD4, MW2, Black Ops (Trying to compare multi-platform games) and take much less time in finding games. NAT type also varies continuously on PS3 (I let uPnP take care of it), On 360, it's always OPEN. On PS3, it depends on the day. However, NAT type open/moderate (never get strict), doesn't affect the ability for me connecting to a game. Tests are the exact same.
Other add ons such as the videos, news updates, trailers, I can't really say right now. I have to be in front of a 360 to tell them to you. I know though the PS3's "What's New" page doesn't live up to it at all.
Basically Microsoft can charge you whatever they want to. You're using their servers. I personally find no problem paying $45/yr. Take $60/year and it's 16 cents a day. That's less than the amount of car change I collect daily.
Price seems like a lot, think about it this way. Would you rather pay $50 for gas every 2 weeks or $1200 up front for the year?
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DXR88, Since you don't pay for an online subscription to PSn, you could argue you were being given a service ABOVE what you paid for anyway!
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Originally posted by Zoo_Look:
DXR88, Since you don't pay for an online subscription to PSn, you could argue you were being given a service ABOVE what you paid for anyway!
Arrrgh!!!!
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15. May 2011 @ 09:25 |
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Microsoft can do whatever they want to for online. You're using THEIR servers. The agreement is just that the game developers let you play the game online, they don't specify who will host it.
The Wifi adapter cost me $25, even if it cost me $60, I really wouldn't care. At least it works. PS3's Wifi is shit. The new 360s have it built in and it's still better than PS3. That's my biggest complaint on PS3.
Less lag is a YES 100%. I have 4 PS3s and 4 360s (and 1 Wii cause the suck...lol) 1 360 and 1 PS3 is wired and the rest are wireless, they are all next to each other on the same TV. In each case, the 360 will lag MUCH less on COD4, MW2, Black Ops (Trying to compare multi-platform games) and take much less time in finding games. NAT type also varies continuously on PS3 (I let uPnP take care of it), On 360, it's always OPEN. On PS3, it depends on the day. However, NAT type open/moderate (never get strict), doesn't affect the ability for me connecting to a game. Tests are the exact same.
Other add ons such as the videos, news updates, trailers, I can't really say right now. I have to be in front of a 360 to tell them to you. I know though the PS3's "What's New" page doesn't live up to it at all.
Basically Microsoft can charge you whatever they want to. You're using their servers. I personally find no problem paying $45/yr. Take $60/year and it's 16 cents a day. That's less than the amount of car change I collect daily.
Price seems like a lot, think about it this way. Would you rather pay $50 for gas every 2 weeks or $1200 up front for the year?
WiFi in the PS3 doesn't suck. In your logic, your FOUR Xbox 360 Live fee is 16 cents times FOUR a day. Your FOUR PS3 on the other hand, all free :)
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I get the impression they're not all on the web LOL.
But as long as you enter your LIVE account details I'm pretty sure you can use any old X360. I never had to register my X360... well, not that I recall.
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
WiFi in the PS3 doesn't suck. In your logic, your FOUR Xbox 360 Live fee is 16 cents times FOUR a day. Your FOUR PS3 on the other hand, all free :)
MY FOUR 360s are all using the EXACT SAME LIVE account so they are 16 cents a day COMBINED. I'm not using every single system at the same time. The Wifi on the PS3 DOES suck 100%. They're idiots for not putting in 802.11A/N and the antenna design is garbage. And want to know how I know it sucks? I've been through 4 routers trying to fix the PSN wireless problem. I've taken the PS3 to a friends house for Netflix, out of my other friends that have PS3s, all on Wifi who's router is in another room complain about signal.
I can take a 360 in my friends basement and connect to Live on a G adapter, no problems. PS3 won't even see the network. It's a brand new Slim vs an old 2006 model.
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
WiFi in the PS3 doesn't suck. In your logic, your FOUR Xbox 360 Live fee is 16 cents times FOUR a day. Your FOUR PS3 on the other hand, all free :)
MY FOUR 360s are all using the EXACT SAME LIVE account so they are 16 cents a day COMBINED. I'm not using every single system at the same time. The Wifi on the PS3 DOES suck 100%. They're idiots for not putting in 802.11A/N and the antenna design is garbage. And want to know how I know it sucks? I've been through 4 routers trying to fix the PSN wireless problem. I've taken the PS3 to a friends house for Netflix, out of my other friends that have PS3s, all on Wifi who's router is in another room complain about signal.
I can take a 360 in my friends basement and connect to Live on a G adapter, no problems. PS3 won't even see the network. It's a brand new Slim vs an old 2006 model.
Yeah, I was right. You should acknowledge you were rather desperate there Gnawnivek. lol
And a G home network utterly sucks compared to N. And I'm not just talking about for consoles. It sucks my NOOK is G. In this day and age it's just ridiculous not to include N.
It just occurred to me that if I get a second hand PS3 how will I be certain it's de-registered or whatever the fascists at $ony call it?
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
WiFi in the PS3 doesn't suck. In your logic, your FOUR Xbox 360 Live fee is 16 cents times FOUR a day. Your FOUR PS3 on the other hand, all free :)
MY FOUR 360s are all using the EXACT SAME LIVE account so they are 16 cents a day COMBINED. I'm not using every single system at the same time. The Wifi on the PS3 DOES suck 100%. They're idiots for not putting in 802.11A/N and the antenna design is garbage. And want to know how I know it sucks? I've been through 4 routers trying to fix the PSN wireless problem. I've taken the PS3 to a friends house for Netflix, out of my other friends that have PS3s, all on Wifi who's router is in another room complain about signal.
I can take a 360 in my friends basement and connect to Live on a G adapter, no problems. PS3 won't even see the network. It's a brand new Slim vs an old 2006 model.
Yeah, I was right. You should acknowledge you were rather desperate there Gnawnivek. lol
And a G home network utterly sucks compared to N. And I'm not just talking about for consoles. It sucks my NOOK is G. In this day and age it's just ridiculous not to include N.
Meh, still using a G adapter on my N home router. I have the Netgear WNR3500L without any problems. No lag whatsoever.
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Got both my PS3 and XBox hard wired to the network. Ports are there and wireless is never as dependable in my opinion...Though I do run my laptops on N...
Just my $0.02,
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Got a N adapter in your laptop Gnawni?
And you're right dew... the ping over wireless is not as good.
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Originally posted by DXR88:
when i purchased a game i was entitled to not only single player but also multi player content as well. i will not pay for a service that forces me to fork over extra cash to enjoy the complete experience of my $60.00 purchase.
all the poor fools that do are being robbed of $20.00 bucks a month how Microshaft gets away with it is beyond me. your paying them to use your console as a server, your bandwidth to host there adds. hell they've got a pretty good thing going for em.
This is exactly why I didn't want to pay for LIVE!.
Originally posted by core2kid:
PSN is free and I used to think it's the same thing. For the most part, they are the same thing. There are the minor things in 360 such as less lag, better wifi handling, faster searching for games, and all the other Microsoft add ons which is what they're charging for.
Sorry C2K but some of what you say is opinion and not fact. The 360 does not have less lag. It only has better WiFi (Wireless N) on new 360s models. Searching speeds is dependent on a users own network provider and other factors.
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Yes, it'd be better if it was free but I can guarantee you that it wouldn't be as good.
You can't guarantee something you can't possibly know.
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Trying to find what you want in a huge list of downloads in NXE is impossible. The PlayStation Store interface is much better. Also I love the XMB. It takes a little getting used to on 360 to find what you want, also on a big screen, the XMB looks much cleaner. Think about it this way, if you give the PS3 and 360 to somebody who's never seen them before and ask them to start Netflix, I can guarantee you that they'd be able to figure it out on PS3 over 360. 360's interface just looks overwhelming.
I agree completely and personally believe the XMB is easier to navigate ~ but if you really want to break it down the XMB and NXE are actually quite similar since MS copied the XMB but with their twist...see MS copied/changed the blades to act like the XMB with the NXE update because on the ~
PS3: you scroll left and right to select category, then up and down within the category.
360: you scroll up and down to select category, then right and left within that category.
They should have kept the blade system and just tweaked it to make it more user friendly and familiar.
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not a complaint, i should not have to pay anything else than $60.00 to enjoy my game in the fullness that i was entitled too.
I couldn't have said it any better myself.
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less lag = Opinion, the fact is its based on wan capability of the host among other things.
Better Wifi handling = i hope so you paid $40~$50 bucks for a dongle accessory.
faster searching for games = Preference, ever since they ditched the blade system, i can never find what I'm looking for the first time. the new system is a folder inside of a folder in a folder its annoying an inefficient.
You make an excellent point ~ I forgot about the cost of the dongle for those who don't have a WiFi model.
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Microsoft can do whatever they want to for online. You're using THEIR servers.
Incorrect. LIVE! has a very limited amount of dedicated servers for their games. DXR got it right when he said this above ~
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your paying them to use your console as a server, your bandwidth to host there adds. hell they've got a pretty good thing going for em.
What he said is completely correct and fact. Now the PSN has much more dedicated servers for their games...and yet it is a free service. Odd isn't it, but still absolutely true.
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The Wifi adapter cost me $25, even if it cost me $60, I really wouldn't care. At least it works. PS3's Wifi is shit. The new 360s have it built in and it's still better than PS3. That's my biggest complaint on PS3.
That is your opinion and not a fact as has been said.
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Less lag is a YES 100%. I have 4 PS3s and 4 360s (and 1 Wii cause the suck...lol) 1 360 and 1 PS3 is wired and the rest are wireless, they are all next to each other on the same TV. In each case, the 360 will lag MUCH less on COD4, MW2, Black Ops (Trying to compare multi-platform games) and take much less time in finding games.
That is your experience thus not fact for all.
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NAT type also varies continuously on PS3 (I let uPnP take care of it), On 360, it's always OPEN. On PS3, it depends on the day. However, NAT type open/moderate (never get strict), doesn't affect the ability for me connecting to a game. Tests are the exact same.
Again opinion based on your experience and what I bolded in red kinda confirms it because a NAT issue is something based in software and setup. Example ~ from day 1 on my 3 PS3's, 1 360, 1 Wii & Original Xbox I have ALWAYS had a NAT Type 2 and NEVER anything else (other than NAT Type 1 if I bypassed my router). Thus proving the PS3's Wireless hardware is capable of providing a "non strict/ non restricted" experience, which is in stark contrast to your personal experience. Proving it is not a fact that it cannot do so.
NAT issues come down to router(s), network connection/speed, distance to router (especially if a poor quality brand), what options you have set in your router and your physical location from the node. Additionally it is widely know some network providers limit bandwidth based on the hardware connected to their service as well as time of day (but that is for all connections). Either way that is all a personal users experience and has nothing to do with the console itself. So while your experience is "fact" it is not the hardware on the PS3 that makes it so. It's other external variables of which are separate thus making it your experience not "fact for all".
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Basically Microsoft can charge you whatever they want to. You're using their servers.
You have said this 3 times so far C2K, but that won't change it to being correct.
Originally posted by core2kid:
The Wifi on the PS3 DOES suck 100%. They're idiots for not putting in 802.11A/N and the antenna design is garbage. And want to know how I know it sucks? I've been through 4 routers trying to fix the PSN wireless problem. I've taken the PS3 to a friends house for Netflix, out of my other friends that have PS3s, all on Wifi who's router is in another room complain about signal.
I can take a 360 in my friends basement and connect to Live on a G adapter, no problems. PS3 won't even see the network. It's a brand new Slim vs an old 2006 model.
The Xbox 360 didn't even come with Wireless installed when it launched. The PS3 did 5 years ago (except for the 20gb model which was phased out quickly), hell even the Wii came with WiFi! It wasn't until the 360s just released last year that it came with a Wireless solution installed for all consumers. If you are having wireless issues it is an issue on your end as the PS3's wireless is more than sufficient for it's intended use. Would Wireless N be better? Hell yes! But that is a non issue because what is installed works, and actually was improved over the PHAT PS3's Wireless hardware.
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Well obviously something is wrong with my 4 PS3s, and all the other PS3s that I've seen around. I have yet to see a PS3 that performs flawlessly over wifi. Wired, depends on the day and I doubt it has to do with NAT as much as the load on PSN's servers.
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Well obviously something is wrong with my 4 PS3s, and all the other PS3s that I've seen around. I have yet to see a PS3 that performs flawlessly over wifi. Wired, depends on the day and I doubt it has to do with NAT as much as the load on PSN's servers.
What part of the country do you live in? What is your network service provider? I am in Florida and go back and forth to NY and have family/friends in California/Texas/Georgia of which all work "flawlessly over Wifi". And honestly there are not very many posts here at aD (remember we are wordwide) let alone the PS Forums that would denote an issue to be "fact".
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Well obviously something is wrong with my 4 PS3s, and all the other PS3s that I've seen around. I have yet to see a PS3 that performs flawlessly over wifi. Wired, depends on the day and I doubt it has to do with NAT as much as the load on PSN's servers.
Maybe with less people using PSn the opportunity to test the server overload theory presents itself!
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NJ, Optimum 16MB/s DL wired, about 14MB/s DL over wireless N/G
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NJ, Optimum 16MB/s DL wired, about 14MB/s DL over wireless N/G
Northern, Southern, Central? Rural or Urban?
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Originally posted by core2kid:
NJ, Optimum 16MB/s DL wired, about 14MB/s DL over wireless N/G
Northern, Southern, Central? Rural or Urban?
North, closer to the PA side.
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Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by core2kid:
NJ, Optimum 16MB/s DL wired, about 14MB/s DL over wireless N/G
Northern, Southern, Central? Rural or Urban?
North, closer to the PA side.
In the middle.
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So more suburban/rural then, correct (if you are closer to PA)? I have family in Stroudsburg PA (pretty rural) and their PS3's are fine, I used to live in Rockland County NY (suburban) which is connected to Northern NJ (Mahwah etc) and have even personally had Optimum Online through CableVision there (and as well as in the Bronx Urban) so I know the service for Upstate & Downstate NY through Optimum is very good.
You must have some sort of conflicts within your network setup or router then. Are you running static IP's for all your devices? I know I am (kinda have to with 3 PS3's, 1 360, 1 Wii, 1 Xbox, 1 PSP, 3 PC's, 2 Laptops, 1 HDTV w/net connectivity and whatever else I may have missed like multiple internet capable phones within the family). I don't even have a single device in a DMZ as it's not needed since everything just works.
Edit: I just deleted 3 of the 4 posts that were exact duplicates of your post. Seems you are having issues with your PC network connection maybe as well?
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Originally posted by Oner:
So more suburban/rural then, correct (if you are closer to PA)? I have family in Stroudsburg PA and their PS3's are fine, I used to live in Rockland County NY which is connected to Northern NJ (Mahwah etc) and have even personally had Optimum Online through CableVision there (and as well as in the Bronx) so I know the service for Upstate & Downstate NY through Optimum is very good.
You must have some sort of conflicts within your network setup or router then. Are you running static IP's for all your devices? I know I am (kinda have to with 3 PS3's, 1 360, 1 Wii, 1 Xbox, 1 PSP, 3 PC's, 2 Laptops, 1 HDTV w/net connectivity and whatever else I may have mised). I don't even have a single device in a DMZ as it's not needed since everything just works.
Edit: I just deleted 3 of the 4 posts that were exact duplicates of your post. Seems you are having issues with your PC network connection maybe as well?
No sorry, I hit reply with signature and I quickly unchecked it and hit reply again a couple times.
I'm not on a static IP or DMZ. I had it like that once before and it wasn't any different. For example, just playing MW2 and NAT is moderate. Why? It's retarded.
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