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Retailers reporting influx of PS3 trade-ins for Xbox 360s
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article published on 12 May, 2011
Edge is reporting today that retailers are starting to see the effects of the over 3-week-long PSN outage, with an influx of consumers trading their PS3s in for cash or Xbox 360s.
Furthermore, sales of PSN points cards are almost non-existent and the ratio has begun to shift for multi-platform games, with Xbox taking the lion's share.
One manager at a UK retailer had this to say:
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15. May 2011 @ 16:33 |
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I would definitely run Static IP's if I were you with all the devices you currently run and especially if you are hardcore gaming to avoid IP issues & conflicts between devices. You could get devices wanting to hold onto what was given to them earlier in the day and then bumping off a device that is currently using the same IP. Honestly to me it sounds like that is where more of your issues might be than just "PS3 WiFi sucks".
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15. May 2011 @ 16:43 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
I would definitely run Static IP's if I were you and especially if you are hardcore gaming to avoid IP issues & conflicts between devices. You could get devices wanting to hold onto what was given to them earlier in the day and then bumping off a device that is currently using the same IP. Honestly to me it sounds like that is where more of your issues might be than just "PS3 WiFi sucks".
Not a hardcore gamer at all, I just hate when friends can't connect to my games. Also did some router adjustments and now I can't connect to PSN with the error "Down for maintenance".
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15. May 2011 @ 17:14 |
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There are reports of intermittent connection issues that seem to probably be due to server load as more and more users update & log in. Source ~ PS EU Twitter). So I would wait on adjusting anything in your router currently.
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15. May 2011 @ 17:37 |
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yeah static IP's help alot, also takes away about 5% of the routers CPU overhead. also set all your game console IP's to the DMZ list, excluding any set up as a Media Hub. the reason being if you console communicates in anyway with your PC, its a security risk and a big one at that.
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15. May 2011 @ 17:46 |
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Originally posted by DXR88:
yeah static IP's help alot, also takes away about 5% of the routers CPU overhead. also set all your game console IP's to the DMZ list, excluding any set up as a Media Hub. the reason being if you console communicates in anyway with your PC, its a security risk and a big one at that.
Hmm that's good to know. Thanx.
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15. May 2011 @ 20:34 |
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Oner, I thank you fro your clear explanations. I always learn something from your posts :)
I like Gnawni, pretty cool nick. I have nothing else to add to PS3 wifi, G or N or whatever. All I know is that my Xbox is wired because it doesn't have wifi build in (can I say "sucks?"). My PS3 picks up the router signals fine in the basement, 100% strength too. But yeah, the router signal is reduced to 50% or less when I go to the 2nd floor (router is on the first floor). Anyhow, I'm not like most other people, I turn my router off when I go to sleep(conserve energy, lol).
And oh yeah, I refuse to pay to game online either. If I bought the game, I should be able to use everything described on the box. I'm not saying Live is not good, I'm saying I shouldn't have to pay to game online. As for other features, chatting or what not, that's entirely up to the consumers.
Bottom line is, PSN is free and I will stick to it as long as it's free :)
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16. May 2011 @ 01:20 |
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Oner, please stop perpetuating the myth that the Live Gold service costs a lot, like agreeing with DXR when he implies it costs $20/month, it costs bugger-all, be real... I would have expected better from someone as objective as yourself.
A desperate boring wall-o-text isn't going to change that.
Also, I'm curious about this statement:Quote:
Now the PSN has much more dedicated servers for their games...and yet it is a free service. Odd isn't it, but still absolutely true.
You naturally have some evidence for that?
I should have realised you were from the axis of evil... NY, Florida & Texas. :D
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16. May 2011 @ 02:11 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Oner, please stop perpetuating the myth that the Live Gold service costs a lot, like agreeing with DXR when he implies it costs $20/month, it costs bugger-all, be real... I would have expected better from someone as objective as yourself.
A desperate boring wall-o-text isn't going to change that.
Also, I'm curious about this statement:Quote:
Now the PSN has much more dedicated servers for their games...and yet it is a free service. Odd isn't it, but still absolutely true.
You naturally have some evidence for that?
I should have realised you were from the axis of evil... NY, Florida & Texas. :D
my point was not that it costs to much or to little, my point was its an unruly cost.
for that last time, you purchased a full license to use the game in question, both online and offline. However Microsoft in there infinite wisdom is forcing you to pay Extra monthly, trimonthly, Yearly, whatever your robbing date preference may be. Otherwise they take away half of your game. a half that you are rightfully entitled too upon purchase of the said game. the only thing live servers do aside from caching, banning, and pumping ads for your viewing pleasure(on a paid Gold subscription i might add, so not only are they getting your cash there getting cash for the ads) is to keep track of stats. everything else VoIP, gaming, Avatar's is all done by the host. you, not MS, not God, but you the host.
a good analogy of what MS is doing...Your paying a homeless individual to come to your house eat your food, drink your beer, all on your expense. I couldn't care less about my food but no one touches my beer....no one.
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16. May 2011 @ 03:16 |
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Free beer notwithstanding...
By Zeus' crotch, how do you think $ony pay for this munificent service? By being thrifty?
Hmmm... Mony charge about 10% more for a new game than M$. Now let's put a couple of fingers on each hand to our temples and grunt really hard... how do they pay for PSN, gee I still don't know... isn't it great value but?
You lot aught to stop being such babies and start lookin' at their economic models.
It's the same deal the way FBs w@nked on and on and on about the X360 not having wireless before, like it was a friggen necessity! Shut up! M$ kept the cost of the original X360 down by making it an optional extra. $ony opted for including it in the PS3 but you still paid for it... do you really think that the only reason that the PS3 cost more was just because of Blu-ray?
I mean Oner goes on... "oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that old X360 owners had to pay heaps for a wireless adapter". What, do we look that stupid... I say again... the PS# cost more to begin with!!!
It's their different economic models... what they believe is attractive to the consumer and what they believe they can get away with. This is their game. Just grow up... you are still being charged for it.
LOL
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16. May 2011 @ 03:36 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Free beer notwithstanding...
By Zeus' crotch, how do you think $ony pay for this munificent service? By being thrifty?
Hmmm... Mony charge about 10% more for a new game than M$. Now let's put a couple of fingers on each hand to our temples and grunt really hard... how do they pay for PSN, gee I still don't know... isn't it great value but?
You lot aught to stop being such babies and start lookin' at their economic models.
It's the same deal the way FBs w@nked on and on and on about the X360 not having wireless before, like it was a friggen necessity! Shut up! M$ kept the cost of the original X360 down by making it an optional extra. $ony opted for including it in the PS3 but you still paid for it... do you really think that the only reason that the PS3 cost more was just because of Blu-ray?
I mean Oner goes on... "oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that old X360 owners had to pay heaps for a wireless adapter". What, do we look that stupid... I say again... the PS# cost more to begin with!!!
It's their different economic models... what they believe is attractive to the consumer and what they believe they can get away with. This is their game. Just grow up... you are still being charged for it.
LOL
you can literally generate enough revenue by ads to keep a service like X-live an PSN free. if i could play games online for free on live i wouldn't mind 10 more ads or more.
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16. May 2011 @ 03:40 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Free beer notwithstanding...
By Zeus' crotch, how do you think $ony pay for this munificent service? By being thrifty?
Hmmm... Mony charge about 10% more for a new game than M$. Now let's put a couple of fingers on each hand to our temples and grunt really hard... how do they pay for PSN, gee I still don't know... isn't it great value but?
You lot aught to stop being such babies and start lookin' at their economic models.
It's the same deal the way FBs w@nked on and on and on about the X360 not having wireless before, like it was a friggen necessity! Shut up! M$ kept the cost of the original X360 down by making it an optional extra. $ony opted for including it in the PS3 but you still paid for it... do you really think that the only reason that the PS3 cost more was just because of Blu-ray?
I mean Oner goes on... "oh yeah, thanks for reminding me that old X360 owners had to pay heaps for a wireless adapter". What, do we look that stupid... I say again... the PS# cost more to begin with!!!
It's their different economic models... what they believe is attractive to the consumer and what they believe they can get away with. This is their game. Just grow up... you are still being charged for it.
LOL
PS3 cost more because of all the stuff they put inside. Don't get me wrong, I love my 60GB PS3 to death and I use every feature but in the terms of a gamer, they need 2, maybe 3 USB, no backwards compatibility or media card readers, and something that's reliable. Basically they need a cheap slim PS3. The fat PS3 was overkill but so awesome.
Above is right about the wireless adapters, it's not a necessity at all but then again, how many people have an ethernet cable next to their TV? It's worth having it built in but I really wouldn't mind spending on one. Of course, I wouldn't spend $100, who would? If you know where to look, you can get them cheap. My 4 adapters cost $20 each, 2G's (Bought about 3 years ago) and 2N's (Bought 6 months ago) *Hint, eBay*
Your saying about being able to play a game to it's fullest right off the shelf doesn't work. You can't expect to buy a house and be provided with utilities for the rest of your life free of charge.
In the beginning, PS3 was the better deal.
$600 PS3 60GB with Blu-Ray
+ $00 Built in Wifi
+ $00 Free Online
+ $25 Blu-Ray Remote (Built in High Def format)
Total --------------$625
$400 Xbox 360 20GB
+ $100 Wireless Adapter
+ $50/yr 1 Year Live
+ $200 HD DVD Drive with Remote
Total --------------$750
So everyone saying PS3's more expensive, Shut the hell up and compare when they're EQUAL! You can't compare without adding the HD DVD Drive or Live because PS3's BluRay and free online is there.
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16. May 2011 @ 05:24 |
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People who traded in there ps3 for a xbox or whatever else, because of the psn being down it's just really sad
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16. May 2011 @ 08:03 |
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Blah blah blah... I've been reading that same boring crap for years. Wallowing in detail and deliberately missing the overview.
Originally posted by core2kid:
PS3 cost more because of all the stuff they put inside....
Yeah, like a friggen G adapter.
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...Your saying about being able to play a game to it's fullest right off the shelf doesn't work. You can't expect to buy a house and be provided with utilities for the rest of your life free of charge....
I never said that!!! Are you even paying attention?
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...So everyone saying PS3's more expensive...
I never meant that. Again, I'm talking about the big picture obviously. I'm not going to entertain you by going over hardware minutiae the value of which ultimately ends up being subjective.
Both of you studiously ignore the fact new games are about 10% more expensive on a PS3. Then yous, including Oner, insist that the PSN is "free"..... I'm not saying either platform is better value than the other... just get real.
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16. May 2011 @ 10:09 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
Both of you studiously ignore the fact new games are about 10% more expensive on a PS3. Then yous, including Oner, insist that the PSN is "free"..... I'm not saying either platform is better value than the other... just get real.
I'm missing something here? Last time I checked both Xbox 360 and PS3 games are $59.99. Am I really paying 10% more for PS3 games? I think Xbox 360 games should be 10% less since the discs are not even blu-ray (I got one of my Kinect games scratched the other day when somebody moved the console a bit, the game is not playable now).
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You're right!!
I just checked the EB (US) site and new cross platform games are the same price.
Well, in oz they are x360 = $100 and PS3 = $110.
How kind of them when our dollar is worth over $1.05 US atm. (American disks will not play in Oz.)
S'why I'm buying m4 SSDs direct from Crucial in the states.
I stand corrected Gnawnivek... as far as the USA is concerned anyway.
PS: Had you copied that kinnect game to HDD?
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16. May 2011 @ 12:19 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
You're right!!
I just checked the EB (US) site and new cross platform games are the same price.
Well, in oz they are x360 = $100 and PS3 = $110.
How kind of them when our dollar is worth over $1.05 US atm. (American disks will not play in Oz.)
S'why I'm buying m4 SSDs direct from Crucial in the states.
I stand corrected Gnawnivek... as far as the USA is concerned anyway.
PS: Had you copied that kinnect game to HDD?
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I see your points now :) No, I don't copy any of my Xbox 360 games to hdd, I guess I should start learning how to do that, lol. I could return the Kinect Sport game to Best Buy, but I can't find the receipt. I might have to buy a used copy, I just need to be more careful next time.
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16. May 2011 @ 12:35 |
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Gnawn,
mate, it's really easy to do, takes about 15 mins and so worth it.
If you copy your game to the HDD then it no longer spins in the optical drive after a verify.... saving power, less heat, less noise and much faster loading times.
Also it's safer for the disk :) and you extend the life of the optical drive.
As I recall, off the top of my head, just hit Y on the game icon and select save to hard drive. After that you can just hit A to load it.
You can manage it under the memory options under settings.
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16. May 2011 @ 13:40 |
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I know it's not new to some, but I learned something new today, thanks Jem!
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16. May 2011 @ 14:15 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
I know it's not new to some, but I learned something new today, thanks Jem!
No worries.
Forgot to mention, in case you don't know, you can leave any number of games on the HDD, but you must insert the relevant disk into the Optical drive (ODD) so it can be verified before you can play it.
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16. May 2011 @ 14:33 |
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I guess I really don't have to answer/explain everything as it seems it was already done by most of the above posters but I will anyway to point them out to show something. Examples ~
DXR88 explained about how the cost of LIVE! is unruly and not proverbially "$20 a month" so I am not "perpetuating ANY "myth" ~ Thank You DXR88
core2kid explained about how the actual cost of a 360 vs a PS3 works out to be ~ Thank You core2kid
Gnawnivek explained about your comment "Mony" charging 10% more for it's games ~ Thank You Gnawnivek
I will also add that it is common knowledge (just because YOU don't know that doesn't mean it isn't true) that LIVE! runs primarily off a peer to peer network while a greater majority of PS Network games are client - server based. Now that is not to say ALL the online PS games are that way. Think about it, how is it possible to have games like Warhawk with 32 players, Resistance - 40 players, Resistance 2 - 60 players on the PS3 vs games like Gears 1 which was 4 on 4 or Halo that maxes out at what 16 players? That is the provable difference between the 360's P2P based service & the PS3's dedicated server based service. I guess you have also forgotten how broken Gears 1 & 2 was online too huh because of non-dedicated servers of which is the reason why Gears 3 is reported to have dedicated servers this time around. Just more proof.
But out of all of this what I find insanely odd is how you question what I say about the lack of dedicated servers but yet DXR88 was the first to actually say it. Your post #48 brought up the cost of LIVE! and DXR's post immediately after it #49 was the first to explain the non dedicated server or P2P issue in conjunction with the cost of LIVE!. Only to then specifically point out what I said in agreement to DXR's comment about the cost of the WiFi Adapter of which I forgot. You specifically question me and not him when he brought it up both times? Why is that? You know what ~ don't answer. I KNOW WHY. We have been down this road too many times and you are boring me with your same old tired game.
Thank You all who pointed out the glaring inconsistencies and misinformation of which I did not have to explain. It just shows/proves that I am not the only one to see it.
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Your unctuous thanking of other members is laughably pathetic Oner.
I dealt with them in my own way, without your 2 cents.
In post #52 I had directly addressed Dexter on a matter of his opinion, his replies did not have the aggressive tone you imply.
I singled both of you out over those remarks about the adapter. Just because I quoted you did not mean I did not do this.
I disagree with Core2 in regards to assessment of the initial value of the respective consoles... I explained that I consider this to be personally subjective, regardless of your opinion... and we've discussed this before. And the subject has been/is dealt with ad nauseum on the web for years.
You're mistaking good-natured adopted adversarial arguing as hostility.
As far as Gnawn goes he displayed far more maturity when I freely admitted I was wrong in the case of the USA, at least I can cheerfully do this. He did not crow on and on... and on about it like a five year old.
Not even the imitable Good Game over the years has implied that the PSN is superior in performance to LIVE (no matter how many gamers are on it at once). As the Queen's Champion I expect this from you.
(You already know I think international LIVE is crappy enough from an Aussie perspective anyway. At least you Yanks qualify for the reach-around that we rightfully also deserve, from both companies, considering we pay TWICE as much for for new games. Of course I'm outraged.)
But to whine about me asking for some simple evidence of this "common knowledge" when YOU do this all the time is the height... "Wah, wah, you're picking on me!".
Na, judging from the usual tendentious wall-o-text I don't think you're bored with it at all... I think you love it. LOL
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
blah blah blah nonsensical text
My point was made and I have nothing more to say since it was made perfectly clear. I am happy with that. So while you can try and make all the excuses you want, it won't change the fact your inconsistencies were called out by others just as I saw them. Done.
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Jemborg:
blah blah blah nonsensical text
My point was made and I have nothing more to say since it was made perfectly clear. I am happy with that. So while you can try and make all the excuses you want, it won't change the fact your inconsistencies were called out by others just as I saw them. Done.
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