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article published on 1 June, 2011
This afternoon, Microsoft unveiled Windows 8, the upcoming operating system that should be a complete overhaul from Windows 7, released in 2009.
The goal of the OS, Microsoft says, is for users to have the same great experience whether they are on a tablet or on a desktop.
Microsoft showed off a new start screen that looks reminiscent of the tile-based UI of Windows Phone 7.
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6. June 2011 @ 18:20 |
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With windows being the most widely used operating system, and Microsoft trying to break into the mobile device market in a big way, they want their mobile and desktop systems to operate in a very similar fashion. They're keeping it simple for the masses who aren't tech geeks like alot of the people on this site. It might be a smart move considering most people can barely use a computer let alone several devices with several different operating systems.
I'm no Microsoft fan boy either, I use Ubuntu primarily and boot into windows when I need to, but the direction they're taking seems fairly obvious. If you don't like it don't use it. I will probably not rush to change anything either until we see how it stacks up.
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Interestx
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6. June 2011 @ 18:52 |
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I've always found it strange how some people are so scared of change that they will bash what they do not know.
Windows 7 is the best MSFT operating system to date, period. Windows XP was great but it is now 10 years old, it is time to move on.
Let's be honest here, as well, Vista had its annoyances but it was not "the devil" people claim it to be.
+1.
I have a copy of XP I keep for the (becoming fewer) driver/compatibility issues I might encounter but my experience is that Windows 7 Ultimate is brilliant.
Rock solid and by far the best OS I've seen to date.
My experience with Vista is that after SP1 it got as good as XP ever was, even the 'Home Basic' version my Mrs has on her laptop has been completely solid & reliable, no complaints whatsoever.
I do have to laugh at these 'bloatware' claims......like as if it means anything in a world where 2gbs+ of RAM is common.
It seems to me that a lot of this Microsoft bashing BS is pure fanboyism .....possibly spilling over from all that infantile game console nonsense.
I don't think any large corporation is worthy of that sort of ludicrous devotion & 'support'.
But if you can find me an OS that works (so easily) right out of the box with almost everything straight from the off and with support all the way through and for several years beyond its lifetime I might be interested.
But the fact is no-one else can supply anything like a Windows OS, hence their huge popularity, almost everywhere.
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6. June 2011 @ 22:30 |
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XP is much better at file transfers and networking than Seven amongst many other things that I really don?t want to get into but could. I just love how when I want to copy large amounts of data from one drive to another or to a network drive I get the Calculating.... garbage and then I wait and wait. With XP you don't have that nonsense. Seven is a decent OS very pretty which is what most who would like to think makes it better sets their bias. Once again it is very simple XP is the rock star so far even though it is getting out dated, no other OS has stood up as well and as long as it, PERIOD! Now if you are too stubborn to comprehend that then so be it but that is solid point.
I like and use Seven but there are things I hate more than stuff I hate in XP. Seven if the future right now and much better then Vista so it is the future for now.
And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.
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Interestx
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7. June 2011 @ 04:56 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.
Which is a little strange because my experience of Vista is with Vista Home Basic and that doesn't have any of the "pretty pretty" stuff.
After SP1 was applied it is just like using a slightly different (but only slightly) XP, but obviously much more up to date.
I honestly can't see anything for anyone to get all twisted and start shouting "devil" over it at all.
Windows 7 is widely regarded as better again than Vista.
At the end of the day XP is 2 months off its 10th birthday.
Like it or not at some point you just have to let it go & realise you are doing yourself no favours clinging to the past.
That's nothing to do with being attracted to the superficial visuals, it's pure self-interested security sense.
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7. June 2011 @ 10:21 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
And yes Vista is the devil that people think it is but again it you are blown away by pretty and only pretty it is the best OS out there. Which some of you definately fall into.
Which is a little strange because my experience of Vista is with Vista Home Basic and that doesn't have any of the "pretty pretty" stuff.
After SP1 was applied it is just like using a slightly different (but only slightly) XP, but obviously much more up to date.
I honestly can't see anything for anyone to get all twisted and start shouting "devil" over it at all.
Windows 7 is widely regarded as better again than Vista.
At the end of the day XP is 2 months off its 10th birthday.
Like it or not at some point you just have to let it go & realise you are doing yourself no favours clinging to the past.
That's nothing to do with being attracted to the superficial visuals, it's pure self-interested security sense.
First off even stripped down Basic or if you want to get more ridicules Starter it was STILL a resource hog and STILL couldn't run most old apps! Vista is the prettiest OS so far but is also one of the worst too right in there with ME but ME might have been better, why do you think they died so fast? DAaaaa...
Seven is what Vista was supposed to be and is why it is better you really don't seem to have a clue do you on this?
Who is clinging to the past? I sure am not I use Seven not XP, as I?ve stated several times had you comprehended what you read, but that doesn't mean that XP isn't the best OS so far and again shows your lack to comprehend the whole ordeal here. This doesn?t surprise me though and seem to be par of the course for some, all the answers but can't see beyond the tunnel they?re in, to bad so sad.
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7. June 2011 @ 13:14 |
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I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p
I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we?
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7. June 2011 @ 13:49 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
I hate to seem like a fanboy, because I do have respect for XP, but I have had far less crashes with "7" than xp. Fact of the matter is, I don't recall the last crash. And I've never had a blue screen with "7". I don't have any compatibility issues either. Everything I install just works. During the beta testing, I had some MS Paint issues, and a printer compatibility issue. That's it. Epson updated their driver, and no more troubles. Oh wait, Peerguardian. Peerguardian could not install. But it was updated with something called peerblock, so no big deal there :p
I will try the Windows 8 Beta provided they release it into the wild like they did "7" ;)
Until we've seen more and actually tested it, we really can't talk so harshly about it, can we?
And I have had far more crashes with Seven and have supported others that have too! Seven is definitely not more stable than XP but that doesn't mean that Seven won't get more and more stable as XP did throughout its life span, it will. Seven could be the next XP most definitely but it does carry major issues MS needs to address. One is there 100MB System partition another is their horrible partitioning tool, XP's is fantastic compared to Seven and that truly isn't saying much. Just because you have been lucky and had few to possibly no problems doesn't mean they don't exist. Also I'm not to say you shouldn't love Seven, it you do great this isn't about all or nothing like some seem to treat it.
The point still stands on its bases.
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Interestx
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7. June 2011 @ 15:10 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
First off even stripped down Basic or if you want to get more ridicules Starter it was STILL a resource hog and STILL couldn't run most old apps!
Well maybe if you were running a PC with a small amount of RAM that would matter.
I haven't noticed any complaints from my Mrs about her OS and when I've used it it has done nothing but work as intended.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Vista is the prettiest OS so far
Not in the 'Home Basic' version it isn't.
7 Ultimate is far prettier.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
but is also one of the worst too right in there with ME but ME might have been better, why do you think they died so fast? DAaaaa...
I think Vista died off early (well it hasn't actually died off at all, it is still being sold & supported but ok it's been superseded by 7) because it wasn't what it should have been at launch & it needed its SP1 to work as it ought to have from the start.
But by then the damage was done & 'everyone' knows.....etc etc.
Nevermind that a hell of a lot of people have nothing but good things to say about Vista now its had its service pack upgrading.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Seven is what Vista was supposed to be and is why it is better you really don't seem to have a clue do you on this?
Are you on your monthly or what?
Try calming down a little.
Besides as we can see from Windows 8 it isn't necessarily how you imply anyways.
Microsoft has no intention of repeating the XP experience and has gone to a regular schedule of OS renewal.
It's just business and not particularly related to how well or otherwise an OS is doing.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Who is clinging to the past?
Actually that was rhetorical.
Lots of people are intent on 'clinging to the past' and I gave the soundest reason for not doing so (security and the great age of XP).
That wasn't aimed at you.
Sorry if that wasn't clear.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I sure am not I use Seven not XP, as I’ve stated several times had you comprehended what you read, but that doesn't mean that XP isn't the best OS so far and again shows your lack to comprehend the whole ordeal here.
You really are a petty hostile creature aren't you?
FFS wind your neck in a tad & try to be a little less confrontational for a change, you might actually find (if you bothered to look) that you're the one leaping to get all hot & bothered about this when no-one else is.
It is a tad silly to say the least.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
This doesn’t surprise me though and seem to be par of the course for some, all the answers but can't see beyond the tunnel they’re in, to bad so sad.
Really really lame, but funny to an extent too as it's actually you who lost the point & the plot on this one long ago.
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7. June 2011 @ 15:45 |
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I knew you wouldn't get it and never will there are some like that and you'll continue to twist things in your mind but I'm sure your bliss so keep up the good work. Nothing you have stated is worth even addressing from your ramblings so I'll leave you in your eternal bliss with that.
Good luck InterestX.... :)
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Interestx
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7. June 2011 @ 17:14 |
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Mr-Movies
Seems to me that you're the one who just doesn't get it - or want to get it.
As Andre said, for the vast bulk of people most of the time the Windows OS is exactly what they want & need.
No piddling about, it just works and it is not the horrendous drama some seem to insist it is.
Certainly that is my experience with all the Windows product I have tried from 95 through to 7......and no, that's not to say they are at all times completely problem free and perfect but then that would be a ludicrous yardstick for any product
(although it seems it is pretty much how certain people gauge this)
You can moan about Vista if you want, that is your right & plenty once did -
(although I do wonder how much of that was on the basis of personal experience rather than something they read) -
but many if not most now accept that since the SP update Vista is a pretty good OS.
That's just a fact.
You can complain that you find Windows 7 flakey too if you like but I suggest once again that you are in the small minority.
Maybe MS will hear your complaints and do something about that partition tool or the 100mb system partition (oh the horror!).
But like I said for most most of the time Windows does the job, painlessly & easily.
Some people are just determined to complain and that's fine, it's their right......but to move from that to pretending that their experience is typical and we all suffer an outrageous shoddy product is laughable.
(but sadly it is exactly the sort of petty & ridiculous blinkered whinging that can practically be guaranteed to go on any time anything is said about a MS OS)
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7. June 2011 @ 17:52 |
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I think its probably safe to assume most of us here are not n00bs and are rather more or less l33t so...with that said this whole convo is kinda lame, we all like what we like, and we're gonna use what we use...for example...I like Windows XP service pack 2...you like Windows 7...You like older girls, I like...cough.. ;-)
anyway lol i gotta get back to my busy day of downloading from Utorrent and Emule etc...
KTHX bye,,
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7. June 2011 @ 19:27 |
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Like I said you are clueless InterestX and you still don't get it. You don't have a clue what I've said or the whole argument obviously from your reply(ies). Toooo Badddd Soooo Saddddd.... :) All I can do is repeat and repeat but if you can't comprehend, and you can't, then why bother.
@elitepunk - This isn't about choice and it never was, you and InterestX should get together you'd make great partners.
Way to funny how we twist reality, and when I say we I don't mean me.
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7. June 2011 @ 20:43 |
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I hear the same often about one should at least change to 7 because of security issues with XP, I never have any security issues with my XP, I did have some when I was a dummy, didn't know what I was doing, than when you gain some knowledge especially commen sense your good to go.
If your doing idoitic things with your PC using XP and run into all kinds of security issues, believe me, you'll have the same problem with 7.
And the more I keep reading about 8, it's just mind boggling to me, they have got to be kidding me, here is the latest I have read
Microsoft made it clear last night that ? contrary to expectations and rumors ? the new shell is going to be the default on all Windows 8 PCs, and not just tablets. Many of us Microsoft watchers had believed it would be the default on tablets.
I guess I will have to go with 7 come 2014 even though I'm very happy with it, after 2014 when the updates stop I guess I will have no other choice, but 8, if it's what it seems to be, they can stick it where the sun don't shine.
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7. June 2011 @ 21:23 |
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Fred, that is nonsense XP is no more vulnerable than Seven the two token security is minimal at best. Let's face it MS has never been good at security and even this new Activation 3.0 will turn out to be a joke. Look at what a mess and joke UAC is and NTFS permissions too for that matter.
Microsoft continually shoots themselves in the foot and never seems to learn their lessons. Eight will be like Vista, ME, and 95 apparently so by 2014 they may have another system like Seven that might be decent enough to go with but Seven may be the route to go. I doubt businesses will even consider Eight and most will stick with Seven unless MS wises up fast after Eight releases and bombs which again seems to be the cycle.
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7. June 2011 @ 21:35 |
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uhhhh...who needs updates? updates to what? ill be using xpsp2 well after 2014...xpsp3 is a joke [have that on my netbook...total crap...] one day i will get around to installing xpsp2 on it..
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8. June 2011 @ 02:02 |
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Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!
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8. June 2011 @ 11:11 |
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Mr-Movies
You know what's really funny here?
First of all that once again you leap to a hostile aggressive stance when Elitepunk was being perfectly reasonable.
Secondly that people like you were spouting this same kind of crap when XP first came out.
It's the same old same old, nit-picking quibbling whinging hate and pretending that whatever the OS if it was MS it had to be (overall) incredibly bad news.
Boring.
.....I'd also add that you seem to have entirely the wrong idea about MS & their attitudes to sticking to an OS release schedule.
I have seen nothing from them that says they expect 'everyone' to leap aboard their latest OS.
They are however not going to repeat what happened with XP.
They do not think it is good for private customers, businesses or (horror of horrors) themselves.
The point is they have (for those that want it......and if I were buying a new PC I might well want their latest OS) an up-to-date OS every 'X' number of years.
You me or business can choose to get it or not.
But we will do so knowing that sticking with what we have brings consequences in terms of features & support etc etc.
It's a free country(ish) you can bah-humbug Win 8 if you want (I probably won't be bothering with it either) but this reflex negative attitude is tedious in the extreme.
It's just business, they're not your pals doing you a favour - or not.
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8. June 2011 @ 11:38 |
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Your right they don't want people to buy their latest OS they just make it to say they made it. This is a prime example of how out of touch you really are. You say they won't repeat but history shows us that we do repeat the same mistakes over and over again. Once again what can one say I could attack every line you write but it is such nonsense that again it just isn't worth it and once again you just don't understand at all so all I can say is twisted.
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8. June 2011 @ 11:40 |
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Your right they don't want people to buy their latest OS they just make it to say they made it.
Nope, that's not what I (or they said) but it is a prime example of the sort of level your 'debate' is at.
Good luck with that.
(and good luck with finding a global huge business anywhere doing pretty much anything that is so enormously successful that doesn't regularly release new versions of their products with better features and newer elements for more money from you to buy......that are instantly 'perfection' for all users in all circumstances.)
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8. June 2011 @ 11:58 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
Fred, are you saying that windows 8 will be default in "Tablet Mode"? If that's true, I'm laughing my butt off right now. I guarantee there is a very small percentage of people that would actually like that. What in the world are they smoking? Cause I DON'T want any of it LOL!
Omeg, all I can go with right now is what I'm reading, some of you guys know me here and I'm not a techie in explaining things like you guys can, but I have paying close attention to this, one of my excuses for not getting seven and I do mean just one reason, I said to myself why go out and start spending money on 7 when 8 will be coming out soon, I also get the point Steve is making, he is right about things are to realy to tell, but so far and all these are good sources from the net, magazines I read, it's coming from the horses mouth (MS), they keep saying this is what it's gonna be.
That interface is the goofiest thing I ever saw, fine if your a tablet user, but your gonna shove that down my throat with my PC, I don't think so, you get these huge several icons so to speek, than you need to surf further to get what you want, I want my icons as they are, the way I want them, in the order I want them.
I did read people making comments here and so far it's just thier opinions, just shut it off, that's not what I'm reading from the big boys, can you see corps and businesses using that interface, I would want to throw my monitor out the window, but than again what do I know, I'm a dummy here compared to most of you guys, I guess like Steve says, it's probably to early to start bashing, normally we fight or defend on what's right, in this case I hope were wrong, and in getting ahead of ourselves. But if so far what we are hearing and reading is right, oh brother!!! I don't know squat anything about Linux, maybe I should start looking into it.
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9. June 2011 @ 20:57 |
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You know what? Im down for this. Mostly because its different and seems fairly intuitive. Ill have a go with this filly. Its time for a change-up, so smack your bitch up!!!
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9. June 2011 @ 22:26 |
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"...XP is no more vulnerable than Seven..."
Are you high? As any OS ages and gains more users, it also gains more exploits because of the higher user base, which is the case with XP. Furthermore, UAC did wonders for the average user that wasn't tech savvy for stopping rootkits from installing themselves. From the perspective of the average consumer, Vista and 7 did wonders, and from the perspective of a tech, it does wonders because I don't have to fix as many errors on the non-savvy users' end.
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9. June 2011 @ 22:40 |
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You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn?t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don?t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn?t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.
Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.
That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!
Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!
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9. June 2011 @ 23:05 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn?t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don?t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn?t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.
Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.
That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!
Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!
I'm in awe by how full of yourself you are. I feel sorry if you work in IT and have average users as your clients. Sorry for your clients anyway.
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