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article published on 1 June, 2011
This afternoon, Microsoft unveiled Windows 8, the upcoming operating system that should be a complete overhaul from Windows 7, released in 2009.
The goal of the OS, Microsoft says, is for users to have the same great experience whether they are on a tablet or on a desktop.
Microsoft showed off a new start screen that looks reminiscent of the tile-based UI of Windows Phone 7.
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9. June 2011 @ 23:30 |
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OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.
I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.
My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.
I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself.
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9. June 2011 @ 23:31 |
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Originally posted by jackalguy:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
You show your ignorance big time. Age can affect an OS but seriously I can use the same exploits for either OS and UAC hasn’t stopped anything especially for the ignorant people as they will allow everything as they don’t know what to do. So it only irritates people instead of protecting them. I would say within a year of a new OS the hackers know most of the vulnerabilities of any OS so the fact that XP is almost a decade old doesn’t really matter as Seven exploits are just as well known, if that were really the issue.
Vista and Seven have had many driver issues and compatibility issues and Microsoft Certified Driver issues and so on and so on.
That is only the tip of the ice berg so I would say if someone is high here I would say you are burning it at both ends!
Stay in the clouds as it seems you are bliss there!!
I'm in awe by how full of yourself you are. I feel sorry if you work in IT and have average users as your clients. Sorry for your clients anyway.
Hey great come back still smoken I see....
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jackalguy
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10. June 2011 @ 02:46 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
OK, How can I put this, I have said in the past I am no techie, never will be, I don't think I lack commen sense though, you people can say all you want about how secure vista or 7 is or was, let me give you an example what I saw for myself out in the streets so to speak.
I have and do hang around once in a while where pc's are bought and sold, and as a friend of mine that does own a pc repair shop, have known him for quite a few years and I go over and shoot the breeze with him every once in a while, as I spend at least several hours with him I am not deaf or blind, not yet anyway, do you know how many labtops and pc's I see brought over to him because thier computers are infected, and shall I go on what most of them are because yes that's what most people are using today, vista and mainly 7, you guessed it, vista and 7, so your security theorie kinda went right out the window didn't it.
My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.
I often downplay myself mostly on these forums here at AD, cause I know I do not posses the knowledge most have here, but the more I read some of these posts I think I'm gonna stop second guessing myself.
That's because Vista and 7 are the common platforms now, not because they're necessarily less secure. You hit the nail on the head, however, when you said that lack of understanding is what leads to security issues, however a causal link cannot be drawn to demonstrate that Vista and 7 are less secure than XP, at least not in your example.
Take Macs for example. Apple boasted about the security of mac for years, but as Apple slowly began to gain more and more market share, more and more security holes began to be exploited -- it's a simple matter of numbers.
Regarding Vista/7 vs XP, UAC does help protect against rootkits. For example, let's say you're browsing a website and a fake Windows Defender anti spyware installs itself into your registry. On XP, this is exactly what would happen without 3rd party protection, however with UAC active for the average user, it would alert them, and the potential to stop it with native Windows functionality would be present. Again, however, this hinges on the responsibility of the user, which nobody is arguing, but the potential is there nonetheless. Furthermore, Vista and 7 offer SuperFetch memory management which greatly improves the caching of memory so less is wasted. Along those same lines, Windows 7 x64 offers one of the best options for an x64 platform, and thus allowing a relatively user-friendly option to break the ~4GB memory limit, especially with 64 bit Windows 7 drivers becoming more common place.
This doesn't even begin to touch on the issue of indexing, ease of searching, simplified home networking for average users (printer sharing, HomeGroup, etc), etc etc.
So again, the only reason to not embrace the new operating systems is if you're using a rig that is older than the dinosaurs, especially for average consumers, or if your mindset is generally conservative and change scares you. The tweak-ability of XP may be more attractive to advanced users, but I personally would rather take the better potential hardware utilization of Windows 7 x64. So if you're going to insist on using a Microsoft operating system, and insist on XP, enjoy living in the past, it's glad to have you.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"
-George Bernard Shaw
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10. June 2011 @ 03:31 |
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You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.
Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.
Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired.
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10. June 2011 @ 03:52 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
You know I read all this talk on how vista and 7 does this and does that, didn't I just explain how many times I saw people come in with infected computers using both, I am the old dinosaur that is still using XP but I'm not having any problems, so yes I am enjoying living in the past.
Everybody here defending 7 and that's great I'm happy you guys are happy with it, but all that mumbo jumbo tech explanation does not change the fact what I seen with my own eyes, you can throw in all these details at me but is still doesn't change the fact that your vista or 7 is this great new security protector, it's not, it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for.
Your first sentence is was buried you, that was exactly the kind of excuse I knew I would hear that often comes from techie boys, OH well that's because everybody uses vista and 7 now, and everything you explained right after that became obsolete, even though it was a nice fancy explanation, but come on, you have to do better than that, but I do have to admit, at least you gave it a shot, just unfortunately it backfired.
Sounds like a cop-out to me. It's not an excuse, it's reality. As more people with malicious intent familiarize themselves with new platforms, an increase in malicious content against those platforms is released. As new operating systems become more popular, more users are exposed to them, and with the increased exposure comes an increase in those with malicious intent, since they are included in the pool of new users. What this means in layman's terms is that older operating systems that were indeed popular once upon a time (XP, 98, etc) have more security threats against them, simply because so much time has passed with so much exposure.
Furthermore, I would venture a guess that many average consumers are beginning to update their PC's to run on Vista or 7, and not XP, and that would also explain why your friend's clients are bringing in systems with Vista and 7 on them.
"The fact that a believer is happier than a skeptic is no more to the point than the fact that a drunken man is happier than a sober one"
-George Bernard Shaw
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10. June 2011 @ 04:42 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
it might be better on security but far from this messiah as some of you guys fall over for
What "messiah"?
There is no such thing.
There's just better, for now.
As jackelguy says, the increasing usage & popularity of any given software will be reflected in its targeting with malicious threats.
This is exactly what Apple & Opera & Firefox etc etc have all found.
Necessarily it is a reactive situation and in a world where we increasingly want greater connectivity & a huge expansion in compatibility between an enormous array of different devices one can only operate on the basis of what appears correct now.
Nobody knows what nastys are being concocted to exploit whatever vulnerabilities there may be.
.....but anyone cheer-leading for an OS (or attacking an OS) on the basis that it is some sort of perfection (or not) is deluded.
There can never be any such thing, from anyone.
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10. June 2011 @ 11:46 |
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in theory you should be able to dual-boot xp and 7...but i havnt tried that yet, but probably will soon... currently im booting two versions of xp lol! the advantage of dual booting 7-x64 is so that you can run apps that need more than ~3.5 gigs of ram...but so far no game i play even needs more than 2 gigs...that might be an issue in the near future tho, with directx-11 exclusive games probably showing up soon, although i can't really name any atm..
i guess if you have like 8-16 gigs of ram 7-x64 might come in handy to actually be able to utalize full amount..
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10. June 2011 @ 12:43 |
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Windows 7 Ultimate has a copy of Windows XP mode built-in, just in case.
It's a nice touch I think.
As for the approx 3.5gb RAM limit, that's a 32bit issue afaik, that lower limit isn't there in 64bit XP or Vista or 7.
The explaination for this is that it's an addressing issue and if more than 4gb of RAM was allowed on a 32bit OS it could give rise to issues with hardware & drivers, so they play it safe and set that limit.
Until most move to 64bit it's likely to stay (and with so much still happily working on 32bit the incentive is far from obvious).
(I have seen it said that Windows 7 64bit RAM limits vary quite a lot, 16gb for Home Premium and 128gb (wow) for Professional, Enterprise and Ultimate versions)
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10. June 2011 @ 15:37 |
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Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!
I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part.
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10. June 2011 @ 17:07 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Fred, They really aren't worth it but thanks for trying, the sad fact is they are so biased they just won't get the point and it is all about extreme thinking, not the big picture. If they like it, it must be the best! That type of general lack of thinking seems to be contagious with some and quite common in the youth. The sad fact that they can be slandering one and then turn around and telling you that you have the attitude is a prime example of how lost they are. I'll say it again REPEAT! So Sad To Bad!!
I do like that Microsoft has bought VirtualPC and added XP Mode as a virtual machine in Seven, that was a great move on their part.
Now who's speaking without substance and in generalities? No rebuttal to the technical differences? I don't want to bruise your massive ego, even though I think it's taken on a life of its own.
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10. June 2011 @ 18:03 |
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I really don't know why you guys are being so harsh on Mr. Movies, he made some good rebuttals and you guys freaked out over it, than you guys got harsh than so did he, he is so right on, I think I'm beggining to waste my time.
But here's another quote from one of you guys, Furthermore, I would venture a guess that many average consumers are beginning to update their PC's to run on Vista or 7, and not XP, and that would also explain why your friend's clients are bringing in systems with Vista and 7 on them.
Oh you think, of course I know why most people are bringing in 7 now, didn't I say that from the beggining, but who cares about that, the point is 7 is not that un-vulnerable as you guys think, what is it you guys are not getting, I use XP, and have no problems, others use 7 and if thier doing it irresponsibly they get problems, that's the simple point, so please don't lay these quotes on me that is is the savior OS.
I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure.
Plus Mr. Movies is right, I'm done here, it is a waste of time, normally on AD I always learn new things, but this forum was a waste, you guys won, you all all right I'm wrong, now for a good movie. Goodbye to all.
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29. November 2011 @ 01:04 |
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Ok. this was horrible! I mean talk about making things bad. I tried the dev preview and did not like it. I could not even find the old control panel. This might be good Microsoft, but first, PLEASE give us the option with metro apps. Dont force it on us. I personally want the start menu.
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7. December 2011 @ 14:16 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
I gave you an example of 7 also can be vulnarable, and what do you guys come back with, oh it's because more people are using it now plus all kinds of other technical bull, you should listen to your excuses, if you people were in court I sure as hell wouldn't want you defending me, I'd be going to jail for sure.
Fred any time you have more people using a product there will always be a higher percentage of problems occurring, that is just a fact of life. Almost all infections are caused by people that have little knowledge about computers. That same person that got that infection on Vista or 7 would have gotten it on XP as well. I am not defending any OS Windows, Linux, Mac, anything human made can be compromised. If you like XP and have no reason to upgrade that is just fine, your happy with what you have. If you have a newer PC and want to take advantage of the hardware then it may be worth to use a newer OS.
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7. December 2011 @ 20:34 |
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Originally posted by FredBun:
My buddy just shakes his head as the customers leave, sure more bucks for him, but he knows damn right well it's not what OS you use, it's 90% of peoples lack of knowledge or just sheer stupidity.
HA! That's what I ALWAYS I think AND tell my less intelligent(with tech)friends. I don't even have any antivirus stuff installed on my computer in order to keep my resources free. I run a scan about twice a year from my usb thumbdrive and havent had a virus on any of my computers in years. I guess you just have to know how to use something without compromising yourself.
I wouldn't give my 12 gauge to someone who didnt fully know what they were doing either. (Cleaning, unjamming, safe-handling, etc.)
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7. December 2011 @ 21:44 |
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You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.
In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.
Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....
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7. December 2011 @ 22:27 |
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Originally posted by lamain:
Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.
I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.
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7. December 2011 @ 22:35 |
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Originally posted by blivetNC:
Originally posted by lamain:
Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.
I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.
And I'm still holding on to Windows 3.11 for work-groups... LOL
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8. December 2011 @ 03:17 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by blivetNC:
Originally posted by lamain:
Well i am sure there must be more to windows 8 then what that video shows but from my first impression I will be using windows 7 until windows 9 comes out.
I'm still holding on to my WIndows 95 until they can come up with something better.
And I'm still holding on to Windows 3.11 for work-groups... LOL
Pfsh, all pros use DOS. I'm waiting until they release something better.
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8. December 2011 @ 13:17 |
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I stand corrected... LOL
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8. December 2011 @ 16:46 |
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Ah come on guys, lets wait for a update to CPM :)
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8. December 2011 @ 18:53 |
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Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot.
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9. December 2011 @ 00:28 |
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:p <--- Idiot.
I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice.
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11. December 2011 @ 09:16 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
You can get viruses even if you are the sharpest bulb on the planet so I don't buy into that argument in the least. You go to a given site, they drop some cookies or malware on your PC and woo-laaa you are hit. Without some protection you are open to just about anything and easily tracked.
In todays world one should not be without a good firewall and AV suite.
Kids, please don't follow in SoulGLOW's shoes....
Did not say that I dont have a firewall. In fact I have 3. DID NOT say that I dont use an AV software. I SAID that I dont have one installed. Come back to reality and get a grip on your English comprehension. And thats not just directed at you but to all the other commenters who somehow imagined up the idea that I dont use these essential things. Geez you write a whole paragraph but everybody disregards half of it, just to fit their little ideological bubble. Judge the WHOLE of something literary not a few choice sentences or words.
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11. December 2011 @ 09:19 |
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Originally posted by ChiefBrdy:
Anyone who doesn't use virus software and a firewall is a complete idiot.
Apparently you're an idiot who cant read AND COMPREHEND.
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11. December 2011 @ 09:28 |
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Originally posted by omegaman7:
:p <--- Idiot.
I generally don't visit sites known for malicious activity. And recognizing bogus emails is easy peasy. Eh, I install one if I think I have a problem. Virus's and worms have a way of making themselves known ;) Malwarebytes is certainly my first choice.
EXACTLY!
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