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Wii U discs will be single-layer 25GB Blu-ray Discs
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article published on 9 June, 2011
Nintendo's Katsuya Eguchi has confirmed today that games for Nintendo's upcoming Wii U console will be on single-layer 25GB "proprietary" discs.
The PlayStation 3 uses Blu-ray discs, mainly single layer, but some games have been put on dual-layer 50GB discs.
When asked, Eguchi denied to comment on the expected 8GB of internal flash memory in the Wii U, but did confirm that external ... [ read the full article ]
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11. June 2011 @ 13:45 |
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I'm hoping that article is wrong as they make other mistakes but it wouldn't surprise me if it were true.
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11. June 2011 @ 14:14 |
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Originally posted by TreePro:
"One of Nintendo?s chief game designers let slip to Kotaku that the discs that will hold Wii U titles will be beefier than your average DVD. They are more like a Blu-ray disc, even though the drive won?t be a Blu-ray drive. They?ll be 25GB discs, and proprietary to Nintendo. That means not only did Nintendo release a new console yesterday, but they also invented a new optical storage technology just to go with it."
Hmm, now THAT is interesting. Creating a whole new optical drive technology rather than pay minuscule licensing fees for an established brand? Not sure I agree with the theory.
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11. June 2011 @ 18:50 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.
It's funny, Apple has been a BDA member for a long time, but Jobs refuses to embrace BD on macs, still. Not sure why.
Looking through the comments there is an apparent "uproar" from some members over my interpretation of Katsuya Eguchi's comments for the system. Until someone can explain to me how they are getting 25GB games onto discs that aren't Blu-ray (no HD-DVD doesn't count :P) then my interpretation will stand given the original sources, common sense and the leaked potential specs we have available to us.
The Wii DVD discs may have been "proprietary" but they were still DVDs.
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.
Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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11. June 2011 @ 19:18 |
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Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by DVDBack23:
Originally posted by KillerBug:
...And certainly not Apple; you can't even get a mac with a BluRay drive.
It's funny, Apple has been a BDA member for a long time, but Jobs refuses to embrace BD on macs, still. Not sure why.
Looking through the comments there is an apparent "uproar" from some members over my interpretation of Katsuya Eguchi's comments for the system. Until someone can explain to me how they are getting 25GB games onto discs that aren't Blu-ray (no HD-DVD doesn't count :P) then my interpretation will stand given the original sources, common sense and the leaked potential specs we have available to us.
The Wii DVD discs may have been "proprietary" but they were still DVDs.
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.
It's a fact jack! or should I say WierdName.
Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors
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11. June 2011 @ 19:35 |
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Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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11. June 2011 @ 19:45 |
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Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It's a fact jack! or should I say WierdName.
Blu-ray Disc Association Welcomes Apple to Its Board of Directors
I should have cleaned up the quotes. I was specifically addressing the claim that Katsuya Eguchi said the Wii U would use Blu-ray disks. I wasn't addressing the Apple/Blu-ray BoD issue.
Ya, I can't verify that but your right, is it fact or speculation?
Sorry I wasn't following you on that one.
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11. June 2011 @ 20:44 |
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Originally posted by WierdName:
While you very well may be right (or wrong), you should acknowledge it is, in fact, conjecture. If Eguchi didn't specifically say Blu-ray would be supported, you are putting words in his mouth by saying he did. He could describe every single specification of Blu-ray down to the molecular components of the disk and laser type, etc. But unless he specifically says "Blu-ray," one can't just say he said that. It needs a qualifier like "for all intents and purposes" or "practically." I have nothing invested in what format this Wii U uses, but I'd like to point out that the way this story is worded, it's falsely reporting something Eguchi said without providing any source or context to verify it.
Have edited to remove the speculation on my part, fair points all around.
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11. June 2011 @ 23:40 |
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Interesting development...
I wonder what the PS4 is gonna use, BDXL?
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12. June 2011 @ 00:09 |
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Originally posted by epepper9:
Interesting development.
I wonder what the PS4 is gonna use, BDXL?
Do you think we will see a PS4 in the next decade? look at how long it took the PS2 to PS3 to develope.
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12. June 2011 @ 00:12 |
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with this new format nintendo is going to use. that will end piracy unless people rig up a hard drive to work on it.... or somehow a new drive for pc's comes out that can read it. we'll see! nothing is copy proof forever.
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12. June 2011 @ 00:18 |
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I would think the approach would be using the USB to connect the unit to the PC, but still there would need to be some type of translation table built or proggy. Much more difficult I'd say...
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12. June 2011 @ 00:39 |
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It doesn't matter what capacity or type of disk that Nintendo will use as its gaming medium for its next system, I will not make the same mistake in buying another Nintendo home console. I bought the WII year 1 , and I must say that I've only played a handful of games on it that were worth my time since its release.
Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time. It seems that their innovation (for which they are known for?!?) most always tends to fall flat, or is half baked, and then they try to come up with something new again as a replacement believing that their customer base will always buy into it just like they have always done before.
Back when I was an NES and SNES owner, and Shigeru Miyamoto was not highly recognized as a god as he is today, I had met him at the CES in Chicago way back in 1993 when Starfox had just been released. I had mentioned to him that though the gameplay was enthralling, the graphics in Starfox IMO were quite balnd...he on the other hand told me "This game was just an experiment of what the SNES can do." -and then tried to convince me that the graphics were not so important as the concept. Hmmm, kinda like the WII.
Nintendo had recently mentioned that there were design flaws in their WII remote and in return made improvements by coming out with the "WII Remote Plus" or an a optional adapter for those who didn't want to buy an extra remote- thus again depending on the loyalty of their customers to put up with another Nintendo shenanigan. Sony and Microsoft on the other hand, were able to add motion control capabilities to their systems for those who wanted them, but for those who didn't, their gaming experience would not be altered in any way, none the less.
Like a tick does on a dog, Nintendo will do whatever it takes to hang on to the gaming console industry. I switched over to a PS3 and now my WII is just a relic - I tended to not be a hardcore gamer, but now I am thanks to the "Big N". Nintendo really screwed it up with their casual gaming concept-yet again, a failed or half baked idea which many people are now realizing. The WII's limited graphics compared to its competitors didn't at all phase me, only its lack of quality games did.
Nintendo needs to stop the "dog and pony show" with their futuristic "WII-U" console and consider the WII to be their "Swan Song". It is time for Nintendo to become a "software only" company like their former "console war" rival Sega has so wisely done!
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12. June 2011 @ 08:00 |
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If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.
I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
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13. June 2011 @ 09:55 |
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Originally posted by DVDBack23:
To clear up some things in this thread...Sony does NOT own Blu-ray, they are one of the founding members of the BDA, which includes a ton of companies like Apple, Samsung, Philips, Fox, Warner, Disney, LG and Intel (there are more, but Nintendo and Microsoft are not on that list).
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Sony initiated and ORIGINALLY INVENTED Blu-ray as well as having bought the rights to develop the CD AFTER Philips invented it but BEFORE Philips marketed it, so basically Sony could be construed as the "Owner" of Blu-ray (while technically not the case) so stop hen-pecking. The "others" are simply "members" of Sony's 'club'.
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13. June 2011 @ 09:57 |
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Originally posted by da funk:
wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.
You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!
The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.
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Originally posted by hearme0:
Originally posted by da funk:
wait a tick. doesnt sony own blueray disks though? but since wiiU will be using blueray disks then that means they don't entirely own the blueray copyright. thats what im assuming now. too lazy to do reaserch for maself.
You need to get your eyes checked and read more closely!
The WiiU WILL NOT BE USING BLU-RAY DISCS. Time to "Not be too lazy to do the research yourself" and develop your spelling skills.
You need to check yourself and read all of the comments.
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13. June 2011 @ 15:16 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.
I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
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13. June 2011 @ 19:32 |
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Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.
I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.
Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.
I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.
Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
For something to be "number one" there has to be criteria to rank the compared subjects. I think there's confusion in what the consoles are being ranked on. Personally, I prefer the PS3 because I've had the most experience with it. Everyone I know with a Wii has either got and used (pretty much exclusively) another console or they openly note how inferior it is to the others and that the budget was the main reason for getting it. For my age 21, "hardcore"-ish bracket I prefer the PS3 or at least the Xbox 360. Many would also side with the Wii though. As a matter of fact, I don't really think it's fair to compare the Wii with the other consoles because it really does fight for another market. Sony and Microsoft are fighting it out of performance, graphics, etc. Nintendo just shot for the more social angle with their Wii. If you try to compare the Wii on it's hardware, it comes dead last, no contest. If you try to base it on it's social angle (family, friends, getting up and moving around) it would win. Although, the Kinect is contending well with the Wii's hold on the motion area.
My point is that "number one" needs to be defined and I think Azuran was trying to determine what to base the ranking on.
Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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13. June 2011 @ 22:01 |
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Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.
If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Azuran:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
If they have dropped the ball why are they the most popular game console on the market? Which they are.
I can understand that if you don't like their game selection then don't buy the console that makes total sense but the rest does not.
I believe I read somewhere that the Wii has a horrible attachment rate compared to the other consoles. So even if they sell a boat load more consoles than Sony and Microsoft it doesn't really matter since they're losing the race in licensing fee's. At least this is how I think it works. I'm no expert and I don't really have a source on that info.
What are you talking about? The statement was Wii is the number one console period. I don't care if they sell steaks on the side and making millions it has nothing to do with the statement.
Obviously they have done something right and that is the real point.
I was simply trying to clear up why someone may have thought that Nintendo had "dropped the ball" by proposing a theory.If what I said is true "steaks on the side" has everything to do with it since generally in the business world you are judged on how much money you make. And just to be clear I never actually took a stand on what console was number one. I don't have any numbers I only just described an instance in which Wii might not be number one.
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I would agree with you that the Wii's attachment rate is poor it definitely could be better and I've never been a Bluetooth fan anyway. But their controller(s) work pretty well over all. I can't give input on Xbox's new controller so I can only think it is better but this is several years after the fact so it should be. I don't believe that "steaks on the side" has warranted that much money I'll bet Nintendo?s over-all profits are still better, but maybe not. Again however you can't argue being the number one console is a mistake no matter what!
If you peruse this board for the last few years, and I know you have, you would have seen the numerous news articles stating the Wii as number one.
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13. June 2011 @ 22:31 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
I would agree with you that the Wii's attachment rate is poor it definitely could be better and I've never been a Bluetooth fan anyway. But their controller(s) work pretty well over all. I can't give input on Xbox's new controller so I can only think it is better but this is several years after the fact so it should be. I don't believe that "steaks on the side" has warranted that much money I'll bet Nintendo?s over-all profits are still better, but maybe not. Again however you can't argue being the number one console is a mistake no matter what!
If you peruse this board for the last few years, and I know you have, you would have seen the numerous news articles stating the Wii as number one.
If your speaking of strictly units of consoles sold than yes you are correct. I will never argue to the contrary, but my point is this is an incomplete picture.
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14. June 2011 @ 00:39 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.
If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.
Couple quick notes:
A) Didn't say it wouldn't sell. On the contrary, I figured it would considering it's the cheapest one out even with a couple controllers. Not to mention getting the family involved and being budget conscious tend to go hand in hand and playing that angle helps.
B) The bowling and sports was decent for me, but I personally grew bored quickly with it.
My point is that to someone like myself the Wii is not quite number one aside from sales. I was even surprised when playing World at War co-op with my brother-in-law was actually just him moving and me being able to also shoot on the same screen. Sales are non-opinion fact. And at that, given the figures I would have to agree Wii wins at sales. As Azuran says though, I don't think sales alone really gives the full picture.
Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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14. June 2011 @ 10:18 |
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Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Wii has been the number 1 in sold consoles forever or at least until just recent, and it is people like you and other hard core youths that said it would never sell and you were wrong then and now. This has been reported monthly as well as quarterly for years now, nothing new.
If you asked me what console was better based on performance and games I would say XBOX 360 but if you asked me what console had the better power and was more reliable I'd say PS3. But for console reliability alone I'd say the Wii. What sold the Wii from the get go though was it's controller and game play, I still love their bowling and sports but for games like Halo well that's not going to happen is it.
Couple quick notes:
A) Didn't say it wouldn't sell. On the contrary, I figured it would considering it's the cheapest one out even with a couple controllers. Not to mention getting the family involved and being budget conscious tend to go hand in hand and playing that angle helps.
B) The bowling and sports was decent for me, but I personally grew bored quickly with it.
My point is that to someone like myself the Wii is not quite number one aside from sales. I was even surprised when playing World at War co-op with my brother-in-law was actually just him moving and me being able to also shoot on the same screen. Sales are non-opinion fact. And at that, given the figures I would have to agree Wii wins at sales. As Azuran says though, I don't think sales alone really gives the full picture.
Nowhere did I argue that one?s preference based on games with Dildor was wrong, in fact I supported that view. This whole thing is about Dildor saying;
"Nintendo has had three chances to reclaim their dominance as a leader in the gaming industry since their highly acclaimed Super Nintendo/Famicom home console, and they have dropped the ball each time."
Nintendo didn't fail with the Wii period, you can't be considered it a failure when your number 1. So sales are a fact and are pertinent to this argument. And Azuran and you if this is your belief are wrong!
You need to go back read Dildors reply then read my reply and sit and really think about it instead of getting emotional over your preference and truly start looking at the big picture.
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