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New PS3 models remove ability to play Blu-ray via component
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article published on 13 July, 2011
Sony has confirmed today that all upcoming PS3 revisions will remove the ability for users to watch Blu-ray films via component cables.
The move, the company says, is to comply with the AACS Final Adaptor Agreement.
Says Sony (via Ars):
The new CECH-3000 series PS3 requires HDMI only for BD movie output in HD, in compliance with AACS standards. PS3 continues to support component ... [ read the full article ]
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Morreale
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13. July 2011 @ 21:31 |
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Ah, this should help improve sales.
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13. July 2011 @ 21:45 |
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Reading the headline it didn't click in my brain you meant component cable. So i thought they were removing blu-ray playback all together lol. I nearly nerd raged.
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13. July 2011 @ 21:52 |
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why would someone want to watch bluray movie via component cables. ,might as well just stick with DVD.
dont think anyone will care.
don't know anyone who not using HDMI by now
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Morreale
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13. July 2011 @ 21:59 |
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Originally posted by jos22:
why would someone want to watch bluray movie via component cables. ,might as well just stick with DVD.
dont think anyone will care.
don't know anyone who not using HDMI by now
If I kept my projection TV and bought a new PS3 for it as a multimedia device, I'd be extremely pissed lol
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13. July 2011 @ 22:21 |
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Originally posted by jos22:
don't know anyone who not using HDMI by now
You must not know a lot of people.
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13. July 2011 @ 22:43 |
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Originally posted by Morreale:
Originally posted by jos22:
why would someone want to watch bluray movie via component cables. ,might as well just stick with DVD.
dont think anyone will care.
don't know anyone who not using HDMI by now
If I kept my projection TV and bought a new PS3 for it as a multimedia device, I'd be extremely pissed lol
It wouldn't affect you though because an old projection TV probably wouldn't do HD. You can still play BluRay's through component, it'll just be a lower resolution.
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Interestx
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13. July 2011 @ 23:46 |
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Originally posted by jos22:
why would someone want to watch bluray movie via component cables. ,might as well just stick with DVD.
I think you mean composite cable (like Svideo it is limited to SD resolutions).
Component is perfectly well capable of outputting 1080p (although another agreement limited many to 720p/1080i).
You're right to some degree tho, for many it probably isn't a change that will mean much as they already use HDMI.
But for those with limited connectivity the component option was handy.
It's just another little bit of flexibility we used to have (be allowed) taken away & shut down leaving the DRM-laden option being forced upon us all.
Lots of devices used component connections to carry HD, it's not just "old" lower res stuff.
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13. July 2011 @ 23:48 |
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It is the principal of the thing. They are trying to force people to buy new TVs if they want to use their new PS3 in HD. Component might not be as good as HDMI, but it does give you 1080i output, which is a heck of a lot better than composite or even s-video.
The really annoying part is that they claim it is some kind of anti-piracy measure. Copying blu-rays is fast and easy and can be done 100% digitally with no loss in quality (actually the quality goes up since you can remove DRM and forced trailers). There is absolutely no reason to play a bluray from your PS3 and then capture that with a tuner card...it takes longer, the quality is lower, and the file size is larger. The fact is that there is only one reason to capture the output of a PS3: to make "let's play" videos...and those sell games.
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brockie
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14. July 2011 @ 08:57 |
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this is the movie standard for every device you can still play games & do other things the same way.
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xaznboitx
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14. July 2011 @ 15:49 |
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would there be price drop for ps3 now?
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xnonsuchx
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14. July 2011 @ 16:44 |
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BTW, stand-alone BD players will be dropping component support by 2014 (earlier for newly designed models) too to comply with the same agreement. It's hardly just a PS3 thing. Luckily for some, the agreement doesn't require existing firmware-upgradeable devices to try to disable the ability via firmware.
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14. July 2011 @ 19:13 |
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Component is capable of 1920x1080 progressive @ 60hz. This can be confirmed by checking the Wikipedia entry, or various other sources.
Unless your display exceeds 1920x1080, a component cable is perfectly sufficient.
The vast majority (as in, well over 90% of all displays) of displays which clearly boast/list a refresh rate over 60hz may OUTPUT over 60hz, but they do not actually accept over 60hz from an input/source. So unless you know for a fact that your display accepts a higher hz input, and that you actually have a source medium encoded in or programmed to deliver over 60hz, you can discount the 60hz capability of component cable as a limitation.
HDMI does not provide a "clearer"/"sharper"/"more vivid" picture than component. That's somewhat of a marketing fallacy. There are however two situations in which it is actually true. Both situations are rather disingenuous. One: The quality of the cable itself or it's contacts, is sub-par. Two: Certain display manufacturers have been known to intentionally (yes intentionally), reduce the picture quality of component connections in order to sell people on HDMI (which they do not degrade).
Why would they do that though? Probably greed.
Hardware companies are being pushed very hard behind the scenes, by big media, and government, to adopt stricter copy protection schemes.
HDMI has higher and more abundant licensing fees. Yay revenue generation.
Advancement of technology? There's no denying that while Component is still completely capable of delivering media [/i]by today's[/i] hardware and software standards, it won't be able to deliver the future's standards.
Choosing HDMI over Component has almost nothing to do with "quality" and everything to do with "future proofing".
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15. July 2011 @ 04:46 |
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I don't think that this will affect a lot of people.
If you have a HD TV and you're watching Blu-Ray films, you might as well spend the £1 or something by buying a HDMI cable from eBay.
If you have an SDTV and you're watching Blu-Ray films on an SDTV, then that's your problem for not buying the cheaper and more sensible option - DVD.
I might have gotten this all wrong - I'm completely ignorant to how component cables work or how this affects output but from what I've pieced together, this isn't a huge change.
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15. July 2011 @ 09:52 |
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Originally posted by kikzm33z:
I don't think that this will affect a lot of people.
If you have a HD TV and you're watching Blu-Ray films, you might as well spend the £1 or something by buying a HDMI cable from eBay.
If you have an SDTV and you're watching Blu-Ray films on an SDTV, then that's your problem for not buying the cheaper and more sensible option - DVD.
I might have gotten this all wrong - I'm completely ignorant to how component cables work or how this affects output but from what I've pieced together, this isn't a huge change.
Are you really that stupid or does it come naturally?(/sarcasm)
The reason why a lot of people buy blu-ray discs and players even if they haven't got a HDTV is because if you want decent extras, they're only on BluRay and not DVD! In some cases, DVD releases cost as much as the BluRay version and hardly have any extras at all unlike the BluRay releases!
Another reason is that HDTV's, especially ones which output a 1080p signal are still too expensive to go mass-market and probably won't go down in price for the foreseeable future.
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Gnawnivek
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15. July 2011 @ 10:11 |
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Why even bother informing the public. Most people interpret the article as "new PS3 models will not play BD movies." You know why? Because they don't know what component means. For those of us know what the article is implying, we already using HDMI, duh. It affects virtually nobody, because the PS3 doesn't come with component cables! As to ordering a HDMI cable vs. Component, one would only order Component cable if the TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which begs the question why even bother with BD movies?
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15. July 2011 @ 14:20 |
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Originally posted by brockie:
this is the movie standard for every device you can still play games & do other things the same way.
Originally posted by xnonsuchx:
BTW, stand-alone BD players will be dropping component support by 2014 (earlier for newly designed models) too to comply with the same agreement. It's hardly just a PS3 thing. Luckily for some, the agreement doesn't require existing firmware-upgradeable devices to try to disable the ability via firmware.
Exactly.
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15. July 2011 @ 14:34 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
{snip}For those of us know what the article is implying, we already using HDMI, duh. It affects virtually nobody, because the PS3 doesn't come with component cables! As to ordering a HDMI cable vs. Component, one would only order Component cable if the TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which begs the question why even bother with BD movies?
I use component cables, because my giant (but a little old) HD rear-projection LCD TV simply has NO HDMI input, just DVI and component. Your question is answered.
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15. July 2011 @ 14:35 |
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Originally posted by KillerBug:
It is the principal of the thing. They are trying to force people to buy new TVs if they want to use their new PS3 in HD. Component might not be as good as HDMI, but it does give you 1080i output, which is a heck of a lot better than composite or even s-video.
The really annoying part is that they claim it is some kind of anti-piracy measure. Copying blu-rays is fast and easy and can be done 100% digitally with no loss in quality (actually the quality goes up since you can remove DRM and forced trailers). There is absolutely no reason to play a bluray from your PS3 and then capture that with a tuner card...it takes longer, the quality is lower, and the file size is larger. The fact is that there is only one reason to capture the output of a PS3: to make "let's play" videos...and those sell games.
The irony is that "gaming and streaming" are still supported, just not Blu-Ray. And it's more than just the principle. Say a someone with a new PS3 is gifted an old HDTV that only has component. To play Blu-Ray movies on that TV, they have to use composite (assuming that's unaffected) or get some sort of HDMI to component device if anything like that even exists (unlikely). Or suppose someone has a newer HDTV with all the HDMI ports used up when they get a new PS3. They decide to use the perfectly good component but now can't. So it is principle but it can also actually have a real world effect.
Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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Gnawnivek
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15. July 2011 @ 15:51 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
{snip}For those of us know what the article is implying, we already using HDMI, duh. It affects virtually nobody, because the PS3 doesn't come with component cables! As to ordering a HDMI cable vs. Component, one would only order Component cable if the TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which begs the question why even bother with BD movies?
I use component cables, because my giant (but a little old) HD rear-projection LCD TV simply has NO HDMI input, just DVI and component. Your question is answered.
Sigh, you said it your self, the giant-but-a-little-old rear-projection LCD TV has DVI and component. So, one would order a DVI/HDMI cable than the component cable (the price is about the same). The only drawback is a separate audio cable (no audio via DVI), stereo L/R cables are dirt cheap (you probably have tons of those at home anyway).
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15. July 2011 @ 16:08 |
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It still has it's uses, why remove such a harmless feature?
At my Walmart, the only Blu-Ray player we have that outputs anything 1080 through component cables is a PS3. Since we're supplied with component splitters and not HDMI splitters for our displays, i had to use a PS3 for our new tech/Blu-Ray section displays.
I still find it somewhat amusing that i'm using an old 80GB model to pump out Gnomeo and Juliette 24 hours a day everyday. Maybe that's what Sony's trying to stop.. :)
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16. July 2011 @ 09:02 |
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Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
{snip}For those of us know what the article is implying, we already using HDMI, duh. It affects virtually nobody, because the PS3 doesn't come with component cables! As to ordering a HDMI cable vs. Component, one would only order Component cable if the TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which begs the question why even bother with BD movies?
I use component cables, because my giant (but a little old) HD rear-projection LCD TV simply has NO HDMI input, just DVI and component. Your question is answered.
Sigh, you said it your self, the giant-but-a-little-old rear-projection LCD TV has DVI and component. So, one would order a DVI/HDMI cable than the component cable (the price is about the same). The only drawback is a separate audio cable (no audio via DVI), stereo L/R cables are dirt cheap (you probably have tons of those at home anyway).
There are several reasons, but one of them is that this way, I don't need a switch for the DVI input, which is already in use for an HTPC. Clear enough? ANd furthermore, I got nearly everything on sale for a REASON; if you wanna shell out $25-75 bucks per extra converter/cable, please feel free.
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Gnawnivek
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16. July 2011 @ 09:48 |
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Originally posted by Bozobub:
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
{snip}For those of us know what the article is implying, we already using HDMI, duh. It affects virtually nobody, because the PS3 doesn't come with component cables! As to ordering a HDMI cable vs. Component, one would only order Component cable if the TV doesn't have HDMI inputs, which begs the question why even bother with BD movies?
I use component cables, because my giant (but a little old) HD rear-projection LCD TV simply has NO HDMI input, just DVI and component. Your question is answered.
Sigh, you said it your self, the giant-but-a-little-old rear-projection LCD TV has DVI and component. So, one would order a DVI/HDMI cable than the component cable (the price is about the same). The only drawback is a separate audio cable (no audio via DVI), stereo L/R cables are dirt cheap (you probably have tons of those at home anyway).
There are several reasons, but one of them is that this way, I don't need a switch for the DVI input, which is already in use for an HTPC. Clear enough? ANd furthermore, I got nearly everything on sale for a REASON; if you wanna shell out $25-75 bucks per extra converter/cable, please feel free.
I don't need to because I'm using HDMI ports on my new TV... The only device is attached via component is the Wii. Anyhow, when I had the old TV, the PS3 was connected via the DVI port (one end is DVI, the other end is HDMI), the cable was $10 from Monoprice. So, even if I'm still using the old TV, this "no BD via component" in the new PS3s will not affect me at all.
I don't know why you are mentioning $25-$75 converter/cable. There's no reason for you to do anything simply because you're not buying the new PS3 that disables BD movies via component.
Even if you do, you can still use the DVI/HDMI method on the old TV, which is $10.
Peace!
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16. July 2011 @ 14:29 |
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Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
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Interestx
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16. July 2011 @ 14:36 |
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Originally posted by culade:
It still has it's uses, why remove such a harmless feature?
Because the cult of 'the mirage of security before all, even the paying customer' has demanded it.
Of course this is not just about PS3, they're doing it to all Blu-ray players as xnonsuchx rightly points out.
It's just another example of that little extra bit we the paying customer once had being taken away as the delusional morons who run this stuff play their futile little 'security' games to justify their multi-million $ gravy-train.
It only hurts the paying customer.
Those who actually pirate (ie copy & sell imitation goods) will not be caused even 1 seconds pause by this.
Sharers don't use this either.
Once again it's just another futile exercise in taking something away from the customer and which does nothing to hurt the pirate industry.
What a stupid joke.
Originally posted by Gnawnivek:
Why even bother informing the public.
Yeah, screw them right?
They only paid for these features on their kit a little while back, why should anyone support them for long.
If they don't like it just make them buy new and tell them to shut up & like it, eh?
Built-in obsolescence, don't you just love it?
Are you serious?
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