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New PS3 models remove ability to play Blu-ray movies via component

article published on 13 July, 2011

Sony has confirmed today that all upcoming PS3 revisions will remove the ability for users to watch Blu-ray films via component cables. The move, the company says, is to comply with the AACS Final Adaptor Agreement. Says Sony (via Ars): The new CECH-3000 series PS3 requires HDMI only for BD movie output in HD, in compliance with AACS standards. PS3 continues to support component ... [ read the full article ]

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16. July 2011 @ 14:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by core2kid:
Solution:
http://cgi.ebay.com/HDMI-MALE-5-RCA-RGB-AV-COMPONENT-CABLE-5FT-1-5-METRE-/310318240309?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item4840689235

Not sure of the PS3 supports this but if not, then you can get an adapter which will work for sure:
http://cgi.ebay.com/component-RGB-HDMI-converter-v1-3-compatible-HDCP-/260817870058?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb9f4dcea


Neither or those would work. The first does NOT convert the digital signal from the HDMI and says so in the note at the bottom. And the second converts component to HDMI, not the other way around.
I wasn't sure about the first one, I didn't know if PS3 was able to output the proper signal. The second one however will work.
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16. July 2011 @ 19:25 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by core2kid:
Originally posted by WierdName:
Originally posted by core2kid:
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I wasn't sure about the first one, I didn't know if PS3 was able to output the proper signal. The second one however will work.
Erm, no. The second accepts a component connection and digitizes it to connect to an HDMI input (i.e. an HDTV). It's a one way setup that doesn't convert the digital HDMI signal to analog component. As a matter of fact, I believe the hardware nazis that designed the newer digital protocols also setup something banning digital to analog converters from being licensed to use the technology (i.e. HDMI). That is, without seriously degrading the signal.

It's all about plugging the analog hole and by making us dependent on digital signals, they're actually succeeding. So the average benign user gets screwed while the pirates already moved to digital methods.

Doesnt expecting the unexpected make the unexpected expected and therefore mean youre expecting the expected which was the unexpected until you expected it?
"Opinions are immunities to being told were wrong." - Relient K

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17. July 2011 @ 09:40 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by IPRFenix:
Component is capable of 1920x1080 progressive @ 60hz. This can be confirmed by checking the Wikipedia entry, or various other sources.

Unless your display exceeds 1920x1080, a component cable is perfectly sufficient.

The vast majority (as in, well over 90% of all displays) of displays which clearly boast/list a refresh rate over 60hz may OUTPUT over 60hz, but they do not actually accept over 60hz from an input/source. So unless you know for a fact that your display accepts a higher hz input, and that you actually have a source medium encoded in or programmed to deliver over 60hz, you can discount the 60hz capability of component cable as a limitation.

HDMI does not provide a "clearer"/"sharper"/"more vivid" picture than component. That's somewhat of a marketing fallacy. There are however two situations in which it is actually true. Both situations are rather disingenuous. One: The quality of the cable itself or it's contacts, is sub-par. Two: Certain display manufacturers have been known to intentionally (yes intentionally), reduce the picture quality of component connections in order to sell people on HDMI (which they do not degrade).

Why would they do that though? Probably greed.
Hardware companies are being pushed very hard behind the scenes, by big media, and government, to adopt stricter copy protection schemes.
HDMI has higher and more abundant licensing fees. Yay revenue generation.
Advancement of technology? There's no denying that while Component is still completely capable of delivering media [/i]by today's[/i] hardware and software standards, it won't be able to deliver the future's standards.

Choosing HDMI over Component has almost nothing to do with "quality" and everything to do with "future proofing".
Component can't do 1080P

People only say it can because it has just enough bandwidth to do 1080P but it's not really able to output that amount of data.

It also can't do the security signal that HDMI 1.3+ can do and what you need to be able to output an HDMI video/sound signal.

DVI has the same problem it have enough bandwidth but it can't do the security side either, main reason why few people say to use an HDMI/DVI cable.


Most TVS these days are 200mhz standard as that's what you need for proper sports TV show watching.
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17. July 2011 @ 10:42 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
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The limitation with component cable is not actually the cable itself but the RCA connector, if you use a BNC connector you have plenty of bandwidth for 1080p.

I find it strange that some people say component is useless because it's older than HDMI and then comment about 1080i/p when that is hardly relevant to most HD TVs today.

A 1080p HD TV can only show a progressive image anyway and many of them on sale now have a decent deinterlacer so you see no difference on your TV.

This is purely about the delusional ideas of security - although funnily enough you are wrong about DVI, it can be certified for HDCP.
HDMI has the advantage over component & DVI by being able to carry a lot of bandwidth for audio too of course.

Until very recently (HDMI GPU cards haven't been common for very long) loads of people use DVI>HDMI cables on their PCs/HTPCs, once upon a time that was the only way to hook up to your HD TV (the occasional VGA input excepted) and being digital it was perfectly good.

It's also true that there is 200MHz and there is 200MHz.
Many TV's fake it or it refers to something a little different than the impression the advertisers are trying to create (Plasma's 600MHz subfield scanning being a good example).
Not forgetting that many reviews find LCD's fast scanning for motion blur horrible and recommend it be turned off for a truer image.

But this is all besides the point.
The point is that there is an element of flexibility here being taken away from the paying customer and for no good reason.

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18. July 2011 @ 15:26 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Morreale:
Ah, this should help improve sales.
HAHAHA! +1
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18. July 2011 @ 15:51 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by jos22:
why would someone want to watch bluray movie via component cables. ,might as well just stick with DVD.


I think you mean composite cable (like Svideo it is limited to SD resolutions).
Component is perfectly well capable of outputting 1080p (although another agreement limited many to 720p/1080i).

You're right to some degree tho, for many it probably isn't a change that will mean much as they already use HDMI.
But for those with limited connectivity the component option was handy.
It's just another little bit of flexibility we used to have (be allowed) taken away & shut down leaving the DRM-laden option being forced upon us all.

Lots of devices used component connections to carry HD, it's not just "old" lower res stuff.
yes it was composite cable i was thinking of.
yes it is annoying for the lack of flexibility for those who would be affected.

 
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