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article published on 22 February, 2012
Last night, ABC had a Nightline special which reported on the working conditions in the Foxconn plants at Shenzhen and Chengdu.
Each supply plant makes Apple products like the iPad and iPhone. The special, which was only 17 minutes long, confirmed what many already believed; that workers are extremely overworked and underpaid.
Mashable has collected a great amount of facts from the ... [ read the full article ]
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25. February 2012 @ 00:51 |
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Nearly ALL the major media outlets, be it TV news, cable news, newspaper, etc. are owned by a handful of media conglomerates such as News Corporation or CBS. These corporations are run by a select few individuals who vote for republican conservatives.
Other than the "teabagger" part, I stand by my story.
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Who the hell cares for these chinese workers. Make them work 16 hrs a day as long as the products they make for the US are cheap. There are 1.2 billion of these lil guys so if one jumps off the roof theres another one waiting in line.
I wouldnt even pay $1.78\hr. Maybe $0.75\hr for 16hrs\day but free small portion meals(2X a day). And I better see more cheap chinese products.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Sad as it is, people are busting their asses to get in there to work. When I was working in the entertainment industry I would easily pull 16 hour days for weeks at a time, 7 days a week. Sure, the work was feast & famine, but doing extra work was still basically minimum wage. Glamorous, right?
I still have pay stubs proving the 125 hour work weeks I put in at a few other places too. Could I have simply walked off? Sure... & never be asked to work there again. Let's not even start on the fact about no health care or retirement benefits or other luxuries despite the dedication in your respective craft either.
Despite the cultural divide... we all have this incurable habit of 'eating'. When someone dangles a carrot in front of us we'll jump at the opportunity. Obviously, in this case, the younger people didn't do the math prior to making the commitment.
Oh, Xtago your math is all over the place, wrong and YUAN is NOT US Dollars. Use the exchange rate. $1 is about 6.29781 YUAN. So the math should reflect that. So should your comments, as stating both yuan/dollars at the same time is confusing as well as incorrect. It should read:
$1.78 x 12= $10.68
$10.68 x 6 = $64.08
$64.08 x 4 = $256.32 approximate monthly income
$256.32 - $17 = $239.32 ($17 is a fixed rate for their dorm rate.)
And then it's .70 cents per meal, which if they take both in a 12 hour day would be $1.40 per day. So, for the sake of argument, we'll say 24 work days in the month...
24 x $1.40 = $33.60
$239.32 - $33.60 = A grand total of a shitty $205.72 which converts to 1296.40 Yuan (rounded up).
For a 'month'? Yeah, it's probably right. You still can't afford to change your mind with that amount of money.
Is it just me or is everyone struggling with maths??
$1.78 x 12 = $21.36 not $10.68
this would leave them about double a month than posted here
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Originally posted by glynnr:
Originally posted by LordRuss:
Sad as it is, people are busting their asses to get in there to work. When I was working in the entertainment industry I would easily pull 16 hour days for weeks at a time, 7 days a week. Sure, the work was feast & famine, but doing extra work was still basically minimum wage. Glamorous, right?
I still have pay stubs proving the 125 hour work weeks I put in at a few other places too. Could I have simply walked off? Sure... & never be asked to work there again. Let's not even start on the fact about no health care or retirement benefits or other luxuries despite the dedication in your respective craft either.
Despite the cultural divide... we all have this incurable habit of 'eating'. When someone dangles a carrot in front of us we'll jump at the opportunity. Obviously, in this case, the younger people didn't do the math prior to making the commitment.
Oh, Xtago your math is all over the place, wrong and YUAN is NOT US Dollars. Use the exchange rate. $1 is about 6.29781 YUAN. So the math should reflect that. So should your comments, as stating both yuan/dollars at the same time is confusing as well as incorrect. It should read:
$1.78 x 12= $10.68
$10.68 x 6 = $64.08
$64.08 x 4 = $256.32 approximate monthly income
$256.32 - $17 = $239.32 ($17 is a fixed rate for their dorm rate.)
And then it's .70 cents per meal, which if they take both in a 12 hour day would be $1.40 per day. So, for the sake of argument, we'll say 24 work days in the month...
24 x $1.40 = $33.60
$239.32 - $33.60 = A grand total of a shitty $205.72 which converts to 1296.40 Yuan (rounded up).
For a 'month'? Yeah, it's probably right. You still can't afford to change your mind with that amount of money.
Is it just me or is everyone struggling with maths??
$1.78 x 12 = $21.36 not $10.68
this would leave them about double a month than posted here
$1.78 x 12 does = $21.36
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Originally posted by ivymike:
Nearly ALL the major media outlets, be it TV news, cable news, newspaper, etc. are owned by a handful of media conglomerates such as News Corporation or CBS. These corporations are run by a select few individuals who vote for republican conservatives.
Other than the "teabagger" part, I stand by my story.
Disney, Viacom, GE, and Time Warner own 4/5 of the media. GE pays no tax and their CEO; Jeffery Immelt is Obama's "Job Czar". George Soros (5 times on the White House visitor list) owns billions of dollars of stock in these companies (not including the 2.3 million he "donated" to NPR). He also owns, contributes to, or has a controlling share in 30 other media outlets - including Huffington Post / AOL. He has already admitted on video that bringing down democracies is "fun".
Add it up.
Again, no one could possibly be as dumb as you appear, therefore, you are paid to be here to disseminate false information.
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Originally posted by xtago:
You can work this out.
$1.78*6= 128.16 per 6 day week as they probably don't do a 5 day week.
128.16-17= 111.16 for the months rent.
111.16-8.4= 102.56 to pay for food.
Leaves 102.56 to spend after a weeks pay.
but with only having 1 day to mess around it'd be hard to spend it.
Though I'd question the $1.78 yaun as that'd be a really high pay for china.
You'd be a foreman or forewoman for that sort of money, as a general worker you'd be on a far less amount say 0.80 cents yaun per day.
They work 12 hours, not 6 as your math dictated.
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Nearly ALL the major media outlets, be it TV news, cable news, newspaper, etc. are owned by a handful of media conglomerates such as News Corporation or CBS. These corporations are run by a select few individuals who vote for republican conservatives.
Other than the "teabagger" part, I stand by my story.
Disney, Viacom, GE, and Time Warner own 4/5 of the media. GE pays no tax and their CEO; Jeffery Immelt is Obama's "Job Czar". George Soros (5 times on the White House visitor list) owns billions of dollars of stock in these companies (not including the 2.3 million he "donated" to NPR). He also owns, contributes to, or has a controlling share in 30 other media outlets - including Huffington Post / AOL. He has already admitted on video that bringing down democracies is "fun".
Add it up.
Again, no one could possibly be as dumb as you appear, therefore, you are paid to be here to disseminate false information.
Thank you for beating me to it Blessedon, like I said WOW can you have your head any further is the sand?
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Nearly ALL the major media outlets, be it TV news, cable news, newspaper, etc. are owned by a handful of media conglomerates such as News Corporation or CBS. These corporations are run by a select few individuals who vote for republican conservatives.
Other than the "teabagger" part, I stand by my story.
Disney, Viacom, GE, and Time Warner own 4/5 of the media. GE pays no tax and their CEO; Jeffery Immelt is Obama's "Job Czar". George Soros (5 times on the White House visitor list) owns billions of dollars of stock in these companies (not including the 2.3 million he "donated" to NPR). He also owns, contributes to, or has a controlling share in 30 other media outlets - including Huffington Post / AOL. He has already admitted on video that bringing down democracies is "fun".
Add it up.
Again, no one could possibly be as dumb as you appear, therefore, you are paid to be here to disseminate false information.
Thank you for beating me to it Blessedon, like I said WOW can you have your head any further is the sand?
Ow... my eye... However folks, we do have to remember one thing here. Although the numbers are a shocking revelation, they are still circumstantial. One or two figures of evil do not speak for the whole cast.
Case in point: A soldier who has killed in battle. Does that make him as much a murderer as those who wantonly kill 'x' number of people?
Be careful... answering this is also dependent on which side of the victim your defending. Drones killing innocents would have one view, while crimes of passion or spousal abuse are heaped heavy sentences every day.
Now some will say juxtaposing a multinational broadcast station to murder is ludicrous. I say look again. Aren't these individuals capable of changing/swaying the view of nations? They certainly have the money to do it.
Media can't make you do anything. It's been proven time & again, we still have free will. But "influence" it can, just look at advertising. That's what politics 'is'. The art of 'selling' you on my idea as being right. Except my idea has more tasty bits of chocolaty bullshit than yours and if you give me all your money I can convince everybody else the same!
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Couldn't have said it better LordRuss
I might addendum the "media can't make you do anything" part;
For we here are not the norm. And of those; we who post like this are more the Academics. Not greater nor lesser, just, say, The Infocentric.
Roughly 7 in 10 of my coworkers take TV "news" as gospel. Only one or two (of about 240), and then occasionally, inquire further. Jerry Springer is their #1 show. Followed by Survivor. Seriously.
I know of only one who can copy and paste in a browser.
My experience is that they will do, verbatim, whatever they are told to by the media.
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You forgot the Simpsons and all of those cartoon series for adults?? too. I couldn't agree more, even FOX News should be questioned, I certainly don't buy into everything they spew, but at least they make an attempt at presenting both sides of the argument, no other News group really do that. There is no doubt that the masses are brainwashed by the media or by the people in control of information (government). This is why we have the Politically Incorrect, recycle things we should not, and people are afraid to let their children play outside these days, among many other things of course.
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
I might addendum the "media can't make you do anything" part;
For we here are not the norm. And of those; we who post like this are more the Academics. Not greater nor lesser, just, say, The Infocentric.
Roughly 7 in 10 of my coworkers take TV "news" as gospel. Only one or two (of about 240), and then occasionally, inquire further. Jerry Springer is their #1 show. Followed by Survivor. Seriously.
I know of only one who can copy and paste in a browser.
My experience is that they will do, verbatim, whatever they are told to by the media.
After all the godless, shitty, horrors I have seen on a couple corners of this planet, I guess I keep forgetting that the bulk of humanity still fits into the parameters you just put up.
I've seen down & out garbage picking folk that are as smart & giving a people as you could imagine, that help anyone, anytime, anywhere and have virtually nothing to show for their effort. And are some of the smartest people alive.
I've also walked among $4000 suit wearing assholes who made shit eating jackals, feasting on a still crying baby's abdomen in the middle of a Christmas dinner table feast, look good. Just to put it into perspective; some of these guys were so stupid, one even wore a $1000 pair of non prescription eyeglasses because he wanted to look good & thought it would make him look smarter.
In effect, yeah, I had to be working for these jerk offs(at one time)... it's this kind of garbage we should all be more worried about falling under the rule of. It's these idiots & 'man behind the curtain' that I've been made aware of that scares me the most.
It's not that they're smarter. They're not!!! Believe me!!! The only mitigating factor is that they have money and that is it.
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Amen to that!
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
What rock did you crawl from beneath? WOW
Wow, you and blessedon really are shills for FOX news. Maybe one day you'll start thinking for yourselve's. It's either that or your just trolls. You two are actually ignorant enough to believe that "outsourcing" like apple and the other big corps. are doing is sustainable to our economy.
@ blessedon.Next time you try and make a serious post shill/blessedon, at least put the questions and statements I posted with "your" correct answers, in the correct order. I guess I got you too riled up disputing what has been brainwashed into you.
The good folks at fox news are praying for you though; blessed one.
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I have been to China many times, due to my job. China is where the United States was in the early 1900s. The US had companies where they supplied the housing, you bought your food and necessities at "the company store." There were no unions; unsafe working conditions and abuse were rife. In China, there is no EPA and the air is toxic several days a month. And there are rights that we are guaranteed in the US that they DO NOT have. When I am there and on the internet, there are sites that I cannot go to - they simply do not allow it. Remember the Beijing Olympics - well, they shut down all the factories around Beijing for 2 months and restricted all motor traffic for the same period before the Olympics just to get the air semi-breatheable. China will get to where we are eventually. In my lifetime, I have seen the US send a President to China for the first time (1973 - Nixon). Before that time, China was a closed society. They had an earthquake that killed over 250,000 and all the world could tell was the size of the quake and China would not accept any assistance or admit that they had one. As for the media, our elected leaders, tv shows, etc, the US is a free country - our citizens can read what they like, watch what they like, and vote for whom they like. Some will watch Jerry Springer, think the National Enquirer is a real newspaper, and the like. But most of us are hard working, thinking people who sometimes do not appreciate what we have and what others have fought and died for. I enjoy going to China and other places, but there is no place like home - with the freedoms I enjoy - like being able to criticize the government.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
What rock did you crawl from beneath? WOW
Wow, you and blessedon really are shills for FOX news. Maybe one day you'll start thinking for yourselve's. It's either that or your just trolls. You two are actually ignorant enough to believe that "outsourcing" like apple and the other big corps. are doing is sustainable to our economy.
@ blessedon.Next time you try and make a serious post shill/blessedon, at least put the questions and statements I posted with "your" correct answers, in the correct order. I guess I got you too riled up disputing what has been brainwashed into you.
The good folks at fox news are praying for you though; blessed one.
You couldn't be more wrong and you have no real come back to your totally wrong prospective on our media which Blessedon blatantly pointed out to you. The fact that there is ONE news source that isn't in your camp pretty much slaps in your face the point that the media isn't driven by Republican's, and yet you can't see it, so who has the open mind here, Please....
Also as I stated I don't believe everything I hear from any source as I did state prior about FOX News, and had you read my reply you might have comprehended that, again blind to the facts.
What I find really interesting is how people like you can hate the Tea Party types but embrace the Occupiers, it shows a real lack of morals and any idea of what this country was founded on. So like I said a couple of times before, WOW!!!
Unfortunately going further with you on this is truly futile so what really is the point. You are funny though.... :)
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
You are a socialist, incapable of unlearning that capitalism is bad. It is logical that no quantity of evidence could ever convince you that capitalism creates prosperity and freedom, so I will leave it go at that. However, may I respectfully suggest that you read The Law by Frederic Bastiat. It is a free download from Mises dot org.
So you really have no argument? Like I said in an earlier post, learn to think for yourself. You've tried to turn it back into a socialist/capitalist argument, instead of the issue at hand. Of course you only know what you've been told, or have read, or have seen on fox news, no ideas of your own; so I'm kicking a dead horse here. I have some bad news for you, your one of the 7 out of 10, and you don't even know it. That's what is really scary.
I did find your statement to Russ that you were an academic hilarious, so at least your good for something.
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by llongtheD:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Originally posted by ivymike:
Originally posted by Blessedon:
The hypocritical Diane Sawyer pushes her blatantly socialist agenda however Obama (read; Brooks at Media Matters) tells her to.
As many are aware, members of Media Matters (funded by Soros' Tide Foundation)have admitted that they write the "news" for ABC, NBC, CBS, and CNN.
It is HEARTBREAKING watching our republic spiral down into socialism while the sheep stare at the tube and just...nod...
The Mainstream Media here in the US is clearly Conservative. FOX NEWS is just an example of Extreme right wing conservatism.
Clearly you sound like one of the teabaggers....
What rock did you crawl from beneath? WOW
Wow, you and blessedon really are shills for FOX news. Maybe one day you'll start thinking for yourselve's. It's either that or your just trolls. You two are actually ignorant enough to believe that "outsourcing" like apple and the other big corps. are doing is sustainable to our economy.
@ blessedon.Next time you try and make a serious post shill/blessedon, at least put the questions and statements I posted with "your" correct answers, in the correct order. I guess I got you too riled up disputing what has been brainwashed into you.
The good folks at fox news are praying for you though; blessed one.
You couldn't be more wrong and you have no real come back to your totally wrong prospective on our media which Blessedon blatantly pointed out to you. The fact that there is ONE news source that isn't in your camp pretty much slaps in your face the point that the media isn't driven by Republican's, and yet you can't see it, so who has the open mind here, Please....
Also as I stated I don't believe everything I hear from any source as I did state prior about FOX News, and had you read my reply you might have comprehended that, again blind to the facts.
What I find really interesting is how people like you can hate the Tea Party types but embrace the Occupiers, it shows a real lack of morals and any idea of what this country was founded on. So like I said a couple of times before, WOW!!!
Unfortunately going further with you on this is truly futile so what really is the point. You are funny though.... :)
It's futile because you have no real argument as well. I never mentioned until you "two" did, anything about fox or any other of our corrupt media agencies. You actually believe what is going on is working, that is what is funny to me. Well a little sorry to. You did do a good job of driving the focus on the chinese working in dorms to a different agenda pretty well. Nice work. It must be fun to live in your little dream world and not think past the next decade. For Mr. Movies, ignorance is bliss. Is it mister, or just MR?
You and the blessed one wouldn't happen to be spinners for politicians would you. If you aren't, you'd probably have a fantastic future avoiding the facts. LOL, just kidding, neither of you are smart enough to do that. I didn't mean to get your hopes up.
What you and blessedon fail to see is that now we're shipping in thousands of "temporary" workers from india and other countries also, to work on the cheap right here. They don't have to pay health insurance for them, or any type of retirement, its just a great way to increase profit margins. It will probably take a bunch of morons losing their jobs to visa workers for them to wake up. But that's probably just good capitalism.
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Come on MR, your better than that. At least have an argument.
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Come on MR, your better than that. At least have an argument.
You do circles and keep doing them so no you have NO ARGUMENT! Like I said you are a waste of good time! But definitely funny... I will not play your silly games!! Sorry
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Originally posted by llongtheD:
Come on MR, your better than that. At least have an argument.
Just ignore llongtheD;
He has to do this to get paid.
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hear the approaching thunder?
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I wish more people read (and understood) Das Kapital - or more realistically, The Grundrisse - so that all this malarkey would be so much clearer to all of them...
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Originally posted by Bozobub:
I wish more people read (and understood) Das Kapital - or more realistically, The Grundrisse - so that all this malarkey would be so much clearer to all of them...
Agreed! I have read it many times, and I will not embark upon here the lengthy dissertation of socioeconomic theory therein - wrong place.
Suffice it to say; that history has proven Marx' theories, along with Keynes, for the most part, unworkable when applied fully.
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Books what are those? LOL The problem with any system is power and corruption, you can see it in Capitalism as well, however it is still the best system we have, or should I say had? funny.... Your're right though this is getting way off subject. Was DDP trying to start something? LOL
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