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The NSA is intercepting 1.7 billion American electronic communications, daily
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article published on 24 May, 2012
The American Civil Liberties Union has created an infographic for mass distribution that shows some scary figures related to the U.S. National Security Agency.
Since 9/11, the Agency has been able to "spy" on electronic communications without the need for court-approved warrants. The group has a large complex in Utah that cost $2 billion and holds the data.
You can learn more at FixFISA
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28. May 2012 @ 23:31 |
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Originally posted by Panzrwagn:
Just to put this claim into perspective, the average phone call is 3:15 seconds long X 1.7 Billion Calls assuming the lowest usable sample rate of 4KHz, would require 11.5 Million people listening full time, and the NSA would generate 166 Petabytes of voice data every day. That's about the entire capacity of the new NSA data center according to Wired Magazine. Oh, I forgot to add in the Call Detail Record of what the originating and destination phone numbers and call duration information. That's another 1.7Pbytes
Assuming that the NSA keeps the data fo no longer than a year and has by some miracle found a way to back it up, they would need about 80 Million Enterprise-Class Terabyte Disk drives a year on which to store this stuff. One little problem: The industry only makes about 50 Million of these type of drives per year globally. And the NSA would need another 5,000 drives a day just for replacing broken ones.
Now, do you want to talk about the compute power it would take and the network required to record these calls? I didn't think so.
Bottom line? This is wayyyy overblown. There is no way in the world this is happening to the extent being claimed. Sure the NSA records calls. And they have computers scanning them for key words, obviously. But, like catching speeders on the freeway, they can maybe catch a fraction of 1%. THe rules of physics still apply.
No it's not, and they don't screen all calls only ones they deem worth it, in which they have very fast and sophisticated computers to do so with. I know this for a fact it is not speculative in any way. You are trying to discount this on a worst case basis without knowledge of what they are really doing. They use to and still should need a judge's ruling before snooping on us and that is the bottom line, period!
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29. May 2012 @ 09:14 |
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So typical from you and so off base it is totally humorous.
Let's look at the Tea Party a very respectful group that is peaceful in nature but wants freedom and equal rights for all. And now the Occupiers from the Left, a very outraged and criminal group, maybe they can baby sit for me (LOL). I can really respect and look up to that group and talk about brainwashed, it doesn't get much worst.
Good lord, you're both pretty, now stop bickering.
Tea party: pissed about the same things occupy is pissed about.
Occupy: pissed about the same things the tea party is pissed about.
The constant media smear against occupy is because the tea party was defanged by sucking a lot of Koch. Occupy, not so much.
Your remark clearly leans (in my mind ok) that you agree with socialistic values vice the conservative values that founded this nation. (Referring to your cheap shot at the Koch brothers because they are conservatives) The TEA Party activism was originally founded on sound principles of limited government and fiscal restraint. Upon feeling the American public outrage against the Washingtonian elites the TEA Party was quickly co-opted by one Sarah Palin and CIA asset fabricated and in the wings for such a time as this.
The OWS crowd are left winged Marxists funded by one George Soros an evil communist that has literally brought down the economic stability of at least two nations that I am aware of and our very own nation in 2008: http://tinyurl.com/6qzygxj ; http://tinyurl.com/6s8djjp ; http://tinyurl.com/7wcxbwo ; http://tinyurl.com/88f6blh
So in summary we are living in a world of good versus evil. Presently evil (marxism/facism/ all other iterations of %-isms) is what we are presently witnessing.
I cannot in good faith share with you all 23 years of research. I have felt the outrage of others when their personal world view was destroyed by sharing simple facts and when challenging them to come back and prove me wrong. My intent is not to prove who is right or wrong but to challenge the young to come to their own conclusion and have your own serendipity about how deep the rabbit hole goes and how we are all actors on a stage being led into financial and social slavery. Even Americans think at this moment they are free and are totally clueless. They get mad at me when I pull back the curtain just a hair instead of them telling me I'll go figure this out because I don't believe you!
How convenient that you forgot the literally dozens of Soros funded Marxist boyz: Move-On, tides foundation et al Looks like selective reading as well. Alex Jones is a Zionist shill look over here over here....lol... I've been researching this for over 23 years and have read dozens of books and while I was at Ft. Benning was trained in Neuro-Linguistics. BUT it took me over 10 years later to connect the dots as part of learning mind control as my bud at the Psy-Ops company shared with me.
We can be petty about left and right but it is all controlled programming to keep your eyes off the bankers and the multitude of clubs that run the world. As I mentioned about the book: Tragedy & Hope, it mentions these clubs: Club of Rome, New Fabian Society, CFR, Trilateral Commission, Bildiberger, Skull and bones, masons, K of C, Jesuits, Business Round Table, British Business Round Table, the list is a Hydra of Communist Ideologues and if you have your head in the sand thinking it is all a nut job conspiracy because it does not fit your world view then swell. Join the billions of sheep to the same doom. Historically it has always been about the 10% remnant that got it and stood up and put up the good fight of faith.
Latest update of fascist corporatism: Google the poster boy of arrogance complicit with the NSA (not in this article but as mentioned as former director within the various agencies): http://tinyurl.com/csdeaoh
The OWS kids need to get educated but they are being herded by the Soros money handlers. The Palin crowd is being handled by Henry Kissinger. See this: http://tinyurl.com/22wc5m4
With that in mind enjoy your cook outs etc and use this time to reflect deeply of how we are and have been sucked into the vortex of global enslavement and how to deal with it on a personal level and cope and survive. We will , we must and we shall!
AND HOW DEEP IS THIS RABBIT HOLE?????
take a read on genetically engineered foods and at the bottom page click on the flow chart and look at the executives of Monsanto and now here they work at the federal level:http://tinyurl.com/7c8npbw
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29. May 2012 @ 09:47 |
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Originally posted by graystroke:
Originally posted by Panzrwagn:
Just to put this claim into perspective, ...
Bottom line? This is wayyyy overblown. --- THe rules of physics still apply.
We had 747 with laser mounted weapons in the 80's and as they technology gets superseded the old stuff was made public.
Yeah they have the technology and the infrastructure that makes TOR look like child's play.
And one more scary technology that came into existence is the rail gun. You know, aluminum particles levitated in a magnetic field & then ejected out of a 'barrel' at just about the speed of light given the "controlled" nuclear detonation as it's propulsion... A caseless round? The thing that supposedly only exists in movies?
Was fitted on 2 railroad cars in 1998 & being tested in the field in 2001. Their plan was to have a working prototype on a tank at this time.
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Originally posted by LordRuss:
Originally posted by graystroke:
Originally posted by Panzrwagn:
Just to put this claim into perspective, ...
Bottom line? This is wayyyy overblown. --- THe rules of physics still apply.
We had 747 with laser mounted weapons in the 80's and as they technology gets superseded the old stuff was made public.
Yeah they have the technology and the infrastructure that makes TOR look like child's play.
And one more scary technology that came into existence is the rail gun. You know, aluminum particles levitated in a magnetic field & then ejected out of a 'barrel' at just about the speed of light given the "controlled" nuclear detonation as it's propulsion... A caseless round? The thing that supposedly only exists in movies?
Was fitted on 2 railroad cars in 1998 & being tested in the field in 2001. Their plan was to have a working prototype on a tank at this time.
The wonderful thing about one having their eyes opened and once one understands the basics of mind kontrol, (MK Ultra- named after the German Mengele Mind Kontrol) is this: The person that has become aware of the Alice in Wonderland life will now recognize how Music and Hollywood will actually tell you what is going on and what is about to happen. The reason people have NO CLUE is because they are mentally engaged in a hypnotic state of "entertainment".
This has been one of the best conversations of mature readers I've engaged in a long time. I really appreciate you folks that have followed the links:
http://vimeo.com/user7783897
http://www.4shared.com/u/fdGolBIY/Esoteric_Kitten.html
http://www.dailymotion.com/EsotericKitten#video=xcmyud
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9z3JsGkPhVI&feature=related
http://bigscreendeception.blogspot.com/
Whew well looks like I will now unsubscribe to this link. You all now have more then enough to start learning about what is now in front of your eyes. Good luck and best wishes to you all.
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29. May 2012 @ 10:52 |
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It's not this simple:
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The person that has become aware of the Alice in Wonderland life will now recognize how Music and Hollywood will actually tell you what is going on and what is about to happen.
You're leaving out NEWS and BOOKS as well as our schooling system. It is always best to start brainwashing the kids as they are easily swayed, much more then adults.
You also seem to think banks are the problem but in fact it is government driving the banks and guaranteeing they will not fail that is the real issue there.
Originally posted by Benjamin Franklin:
It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Of course that philosophy doesn't fit in our military. :)
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29. May 2012 @ 11:03 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
It's not this simple:
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The person that has become aware of the Alice in Wonderland life will now recognize how Music and Hollywood will actually tell you what is going on and what is about to happen.
You're leaving out NEWS and BOOKS as well as our schooling system. It is always best to start brainwashing the kids as they are easily swayed, much more then adults.
You also seem to think banks are the problem but in fact it is government driving the banks and guaranteeing they will not fail that is the real issue there.
Originally posted by Benjamin Franklin:
It is the first responsibility of every citizen to question authority.
Of course that philosophy doesn't fit in our military. :)
Well like I mentioned I've been researching this for over 23 years or so....I cannot cover ALL the topics...it's up to you to make your own discovery. But you are wrong on the bankers.
Study the trail of the Rothschilds and how they financed the all Marxist movements and both side of WWI and WWII and all conflicts. "The LOVE of money is the root of all evil" a truism beyond our understanding.
Woodrow Wilson quotes:
?Since I entered politics, I have chiefly had men's views confided to me privately. Some of the biggest men in the United States, in the field of commerce and manufacture, are afraid of something. They know that there is a power somewhere so organized, so subtle, so watchful, so interlocked, so complete, so pervasive, that they better not speak above their breath when they speak in condemnation of it.?
― Woodrow Wilson, The New Freedom (http://www.goodreads.com/work/quotes/2088506-new-freedom)
?I am a most unhappy man. I have unwittingly ruined my country. A great industrial nation is controlled by its system of credit. Our system of credit is concentrated. The growth of the nation, therefore, and all our activities are in the hands of a few men. We have come to be one of the worst ruled, one of the most completely controlled and dominated Governments in the civilized world - no longer a Government by free opinion, no longer a Government by conviction and the vote of the majority, but a Government by the opinion and duress of a small group of dominant men.?
― Woodrow Wilson (http://www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/176386.Woodrow_Wilson)
Woodrow Wilson created the Fed on Jekyll Island under the most secretive arrangements. Read the synopsis of the book for a quick learning curve.
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29. May 2012 @ 11:31 |
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Actually I'm not wrong on the banking system which is run and controlled by the Federal Reserve, which has been corrupt since its start, but is also now directed by Frank & Dodd. So your books maybe misleading you as I suggested prior. Wilson, who also started the League of Nations (UN), was one of our worst presidents no doubt but that is also true with the man, if you want to call him that, that started the FBI.
I agree with you mostly but we differ in some areas.
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29. May 2012 @ 11:46 |
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Your comment here: "You also seem to think banks are the problem but in fact it is government driving the banks and guaranteeing they will not fail that is the real issue there."
Your observations are spot on. Where we differ is the perception of the banks. Read Wilson's quote. HE did create the FED as you agree upon and the Fed's have been creating economic chaos ever since for the benefit of the banks. THEY set the agenda's annually at the Bildibiger meetings. Not sure if many are aware but the Fed has never been openly audited and they are a consortium of private banks unknown to the public who they are and accountable to no one. They print money out of think air and we are stuck with the interest on fiat paper and ink! Lincoln ,Kennedy and Regan tried to create Institutional money and both met their demise. Ronnie was given a warning and he followed the agenda.
The books I've read are not revisionist modern history Harvard agenda driven books. but mostly from authors that have been imprisoned for telling the story. The Frank-Dodd bill is more red tape to obfuscate the issue of liberal social engineering.
Now take a look at all the past 5 administrations and look at who the Sec. Of Treasury.happened to come from. Most all of the came from Goldman Sachs. What a coincidence huh...lol... yeah the bankers are there to make sure the president follows the agenda. As Stalin said I care not how you vote it's who counts them that makes the difference. Hey just like here....ha...ha.....
I'm not trying to pick a fight with you you make good points but merely want to demonstrate just how tortuous the path is when chasing these rabbit holes! Hey keep up the good work and have fun chasing these bastards down and share with your circle of friends. Some will take to it many will think your another nut job! Such is the life of those that take a stand for truth and want to reveal the corruption at the local level and higher.
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29. May 2012 @ 11:55 |
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and.. there is nothing you can do about it.. Republicans !OWN YOU!
Save Freedom Dont Elect Law Making Religion Nut Republicans
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Originally posted by SuikoNiNjitZu:
and.. there is nothing you can do about it.. Republicans !OWN YOU!
WOW you missed it all together didn't you. Now go back up and read the post really close ok???
BOTH parties play by the same globalist rules both parties own us all. Now go study the links I have shared...good luck with your reading skills.
Oh sorry your a PaulBot.....
disclaimer I have spoken with Congressman Paul and he is a very smart euridte man. He helped spark my interest in the Feds and all things corrupt in our government.
However, he is also a player.... I have watched Paulbots for over two years and like the OWS crowd reason is not a skill you all have taken to very well......so good by....
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29. May 2012 @ 13:38 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Let's look at the Tea Party a very respectful group that is peaceful in nature but wants freedom and equal rights for all.
Wow, you must be one of those people who sincerly believes the tea party is a genuine grass-roots organisation.
'Astroturf' clearly means nothing to you.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
And now the Occupiers from the Left, a very outraged and criminal group
Bha ha ha ha.
Speaking of 'brain-washed'.
Has Fox been telling you all about those scary 'student', unwashed 'socialist' types again?
The fact is the same people continue to run the establishment powers and any talk of 'socialism' in the USA is laughable.
But some of you guys lap it up & believe it.
.....as the already most powerful & wealthy continue to accumulate yet more power & wealth as the middle & bottom continue to be squeezed relentlessly.
But don't forget to blame & be afraid of those leftists!
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Like I've said to you many times you are off base and your ultra Liberal views cloud your judgement.
The facts are that we've been kept from knowing all of the bad that the Occupier's have done as the Media has not brought out all of the bad things they have done. On the other hand they would be the first to show wrong doings of the Tea Party's and you haven't seen any criminal offenses from that group.
It's funny how scared you are over FOX NEWS who is the only Media provider pro Republican other than a few radio shows, very few.
There is no doubt that the wealthy are getting richer and more powerful but it isn't one sided as the Obama/Soros group is fully on board with the rich getting richer.
Being that you are a Socialist I can see why you find it laughable once again no surprise there.
You certainly don't scare me but then again you are scary, now ponder that.
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29. May 2012 @ 14:23 |
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Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Like I've said to you many times you are off base and your ultra Liberal views cloud your judgement.
The facts are that we've been kept from knowing all of the bad that the Occupier's have done as the Media has not brought out all of the bad things they have done. On the other hand they would be the first to show wrong doings of the Tea Party's and you haven't seen any criminal offenses from that group.
It's funny how scared you are over FOX NEWS who is the only Media provider pro Republican other than a few radio shows, very few.
There is no doubt that the wealthy are getting richer and more powerful but it isn't one sided as the Obama/Soros group is fully on board with the rich getting richer.
Being that you are a Socialist I can see why you find it laughable once again no surprise there.
You certainly don't scare me but then again you are scary, now ponder that.
Like Paul-Bots (apologies to intelligent Paul supporters) Socialist cannot make a case on sound social/economic reason so they have to resort to disparage/distort/obfuscate/mis & redirect...easy to spot as they project with those very accusations to conservatives as they apply those tactics themselves.... it's the only tool they have left....
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
Let's look at the Tea Party a very respectful group that is peaceful in nature but wants freedom and equal rights for all.
Wow, you must be one of those people who sincerly believes the tea party is a genuine grass-roots organisation.
'Astroturf' clearly means nothing to you.
Originally posted by Mr-Movies:
And now the Occupiers from the Left, a very outraged and criminal group
Bha ha ha ha.
Speaking of 'brain-washed'.
Has Fox been telling you all about those scary 'student', unwashed 'socialist' types again?
The fact is the same people continue to run the establishment powers and any talk of 'socialism' in the USA is laughable.
But some of you guys lap it up & believe it.
.....as the already most powerful & wealthy continue to accumulate yet more power & wealth as the middle & bottom continue to be squeezed relentlessly.
But don't forget to blame & be afraid of those leftists!
Those unwashed socialist types are anarchist embedded with ignorant youth that have been indoctrinated by the best universities they can borrow the money to attend...another Soros funded operation...... So far there have been TWO posters have giving examples but you only post generalities that have no substance. Yeah I am aware of the controlled Hegelian process. You on the other hand still lap the socialist kool-aid.
If you were not ideologically blinded like so many of your peers you can find the history of Socialism in America going back to 1892 and the word become a pejorative so they changed it to liberalism and now that has changed since Woodrow Wilson to Progressiveness.
A cursory search will turn up CPUSA.org the commie party and Democratic socialist called the Black Caucus and the Progressive caucus. You see you have NO credibility when you treat others as if they are as ignorant as you obviously seem to be. Otherwise you never would have made such a shallow comment as stating that socialism in America is laughable, no it has been a reality for a long time and now if full fruition with this administration. Yes and if you lefties have such a great idea why has it failed in every lefty country? Will you go live in Cuba and report back about how great it is. Most lefties are so blind that there is no way to reason guess Michael Savage was correct liberalism is a mental disorder.
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29. May 2012 @ 16:05 |
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Attempting to make Interestx aware (of anything) is probably impossible. I have patiently engaged dozens of brainwashed liberals with timelines, history, and facts, and have only gotten one off of the plantation. And even that required years!
I don't know how psy-ops works, but I can say with certainty that once these kids have been co-opted, they are unrecoverable. Well, at least by a layman.
Once they are programmed, then told they are superior, they just....stop thinking.
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Attempting to make Interestx aware (of anything) is probably impossible. I have patiently engaged dozens of brainwashed liberals with timelines, history, and facts, and have only gotten one off of the plantation. And even that required years!
I don't know how psy-ops works, but I can say with certainty that once these kids have been co-opted, they are unrecoverable. Well, at least by a layman.
Once they are programmed, then told they are superior, they just....stop thinking.
You're absolutely right, hit the nail on the head. As I stated I've had plenty of run-ins with Interestx and it almost always isn't good. I won't wast my time with him typically for the reason you stated.
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
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Attempting to make Interestx aware (of anything) is probably impossible. I have patiently engaged dozens of brainwashed liberals with timelines, history, and facts, and have only gotten one off of the plantation. And even that required years!
I don't know how psy-ops works, but I can say with certainty that once these kids have been co-opted, they are unrecoverable. Well, at least by a layman.
Once they are programmed, then told they are superior, they just....stop thinking.
Spot on!
FYI for the basics of how Psy-Ops work, try here for a deep tutorial it will take you weeks and make you head hurt. have any questions you can e-mail me.
http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/itk7-journal-20121q/
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Originally posted by graystroke:
FYI for the basics of how Psy-Ops work, try here for a deep tutorial it will take you weeks and make you head hurt. have any questions you can e-mail me.
http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/itk7-journal-20121q/
OMG!
I made down 5% of the page....need to digest...bookmarked
THANKS!
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Originally posted by Blessedon:
Originally posted by graystroke:
FYI for the basics of how Psy-Ops work, try here for a deep tutorial it will take you weeks and make you head hurt. have any questions you can e-mail me.
http://intheknow7.wordpress.com/itk7-journal-20121q/
OMG!
I made down 5% of the page....need to digest...bookmarked
THANKS!
ROFLMAO...yeah.....I've been there most of the year and still have not gotten to it all......and I have a 23 year head start on yah....Ha........ enjoy like I said though any questions e-mail@
"zerospam007-at-yahoo-dot-com"
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30. May 2012 @ 03:45 |
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Wow a three-way self-congratulating right-wing support group.
"Programmed" students blah blah blah.
Ludicrous nonsense.
Just like your blindness to the ruling elite (permanently conservative & presiding over the already most wealthy & powerful becoming increasingly so).
But you prefer to scare yourselves with ridiculous tales of these imagines 'socialists', 'liberals'......and I see 'moderate' is a new term of abuse in right-wing America.
What a (sad) joke.
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yawn go away...yep you are right the left has a wonderful successful track record in Russia, china Cuba, Venezuela, etc...now amerika....nice job ...now go stare in the mirror for the rest of the day...
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30. May 2012 @ 07:14 |
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Oh yes, cos 'the left' just has to mean the extreme one-party nutters, right?
Kind of like describing 'the right' as all Hitler-loving nazi's.
Absurd.
The difference is tho that 'we' on the left (that's the successful Euro idea of left btw) can prove the examples of astroturfing & the various fake 'popular' right-wing movements.
That's not to say there isn't a populist element but overall the things a fraud.
Then you have to explain how 'the left' (in any serious meaningful sense) has no and never has had any power in the USA and that the continual acumulation of power & wealth by the already most wealthy & powerful individuals & corproations continues at a pace.
As does the squeeze on the middle & bottom of society.
It sure as hell hasn't been 'the left's' doing.
But I guess the truth hurts.
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Originally posted by Interestx:
It sure as hell hasn't been 'the left's' doing.
At this point, I can only pity you. "It isn't that you know so little, it's that so much of what you know is wrong" You have no intention of reading a book, considering content that does not fit your mindset, looking up even basic daily counterpoints; NRO, Drudge, Media Research Center,, Townhall...
Do you understand that the purpose of TV "news" shows is to keep you uninformed???!!!!
Geez!
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30. May 2012 @ 09:10 |
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Back at you.
You have a media that does nothing but substantially support the status quo & the existing ruling elite but you imagine you see 'socialists' at work and in control effecting you lives.
It's pitiable.
It even gets funny too, this was very amusing
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we've been kept from knowing all of the bad that the Occupier's have done
so set against the facts regarding fake grass-roots organisations & astroturfing I guess you just make stuff up or exaggerate the rarest instance if anything happening and pretend it's common & typical (or believe Fox who load stories & slant in a way that would make Stalin blush)
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You certainly don't scare me
like a comment, a conflicting POV, mere 2d text on a screen is meant to scare anyone.
You are funny you guys.
Enjoy your paranoia.
Yeah, the left are in charge everywhere & have been for decades.
Your kids are brainwashed.
Obama is a foreign socialist etc etc etc etc.
Hilarious.
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kinda beating this subject to death arent we boys? think i will just sit down with a good book.maybe das kapital?LMAO.no need to respond tarzan,this is purely facetious rhetoric.
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