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The Xbox One is not very consumer friendly, read the details here
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article published on 21 May, 2013
Today during a special event, Microsoft unveiled their hotly anticipated Xbox One console, set for release by the end of the year.
Rather than rehash what they unveiled, please read our earlier article here: Microsoft unveils Xbox One.
What Microsoft did not reveal, was how unfriendly the console will be to the average consumer.
So far, this is what we have learned about the Xbox ... [ read the full article ]
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22. May 2013 @ 21:45 |
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My question is does it play vhs tapes, because I see tons of vhs players that just like it over at goodwill.
No backwards compatibility is a load of BS. They could easily get the 360 games running on x86 architecture. the 360 uses a PPC, Apple has been able to to run their PPC software on Intel chips for a while now(majority of the programs work)(I am not a apple fan)
If it does run X86, I hope some one hacks it easily and figures out a way to disable the stupid drm and allow people to play rented/ borrowed games and enable 360 support.
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22. May 2013 @ 22:02 |
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Originally posted by xminus:
The fine people at Steam said all my games will work on my next Pc and I will not be charged for reinstalling them, when I Upgrade my Pc later this year. :-)
I do not miss paying for Microsoft's Billboard game system. Microsoft must believe gamers cannot live without them.
You can buy a Pc around 500.00 that runs most title very well so why people are still buying consoles with more restrictive environments and more expensive games kind of defies logic.
So I guess they deserve whatever Microsoft does to them.
I believe that is the logic Microsoft is using to great success.
For $350 I built a AMD A10 5800K Powered HTPC with 8GB Ram and a BluRay drive that is my BluRay player and my MediaCenter/WebMedia PC. For $300 I was going to add a very decent gaming graphics card and with that it will be more than powerful to run most games at 1080P and 60+FPS. I may also have to upgrade the hard drive but I already have my steam account on there and it even plays the few games I have pretty good with the integrated graphics. Then if I want to upgrade in a few years all my games will still work on my next box.
Screw these new consoles from Microsoft and Sony eliminating the game libraries of their customers unless they have both consoles from them. Then the stupid fees and required install requirements is pure BS.
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22. May 2013 @ 22:29 |
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Add me to the list of non-purchasers.
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22. May 2013 @ 23:05 |
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Originally posted by keebles:
My question is does it play vhs tapes, because I see tons of vhs players that just like it over at goodwill.
No backwards compatibility is a load of BS. They could easily get the 360 games running on x86 architecture. the 360 uses a PPC, Apple has been able to to run their PPC software on Intel chips for a while now(majority of the programs work)(I am not a apple fan)
If it does run X86, I hope some one hacks it easily and figures out a way to disable the stupid drm and allow people to play rented/ borrowed games and enable 360 support.
With the processor architecture change it would need emulation to play 360 games and emulation is very CPU (NOT GPU) intensive and since the AMD Jaguar based processor in the XBOX One and PS4 is basically an Intel Atom class processor it is very weak despite having 8 cores. These new consoles are GPU centered in terms of gaming performance.
Also many PPC Mac programs were broken with the switch to x86 and the creators of those programs had to patch or update their programs to work if the worked at all. No emulation was being done at the MacOS level that I am aware of which left many older software titles in the dust.
Maybe someone will find a way to make these games playable on a PC but I am sure the encryption would make that difficult. It seems the games are not playable off the disc and only activate once the install to the XBOX One has started.
I fear if all of this is true XBOX just alienated most of the gaming community and will piss many people off that buy one based on the XBOX name alone and find out all the restrictions.
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23. May 2013 @ 00:06 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Personally I would wait for official announcements & clarification rather than rely on this kind of reveal PR.
There's too much unsaid & what is said - usually by a 3rd party and not Microsoft - is often confused.
I don't find backward compatability a problem, I have a 360S, but I know some would love it.
Neither do I find mandatory game installs a problem as I always installed 360 games to hard drive to give the machine an easier time & chop the noise.
The used game thing is what I'm getting at about confused messages, we'll see.
Meanwhile as 1 UK journo said in one of our dailies, nobody is especially listening to the sort of people who write screens of criticism on the various forums & blogs.
They are (usually) a self-selecting group of critics untypical of the wider market & often with an agenda one way or the other.
Just saying.
(and no that wasn't me taking a pop at Andre either)
Stop making sense Interestix! (Heh.) No-one here cares! :)
They want to be outraged about backward compatibility (the same ranting we saw a few years ago) when they knew that would happen and it will be the same for the PS4!
We don't know if the same daily verification process won't be adopted by Sony for sure. (It's not the same as always-online after all.) I hope it's not but as you noted these details are not official.
Are the BBC given to speculation? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22623010
I agree that it's great to install the game to HDD but in this case the verification is done online not by the install disc. So the aim is to kill the 2nd hand market and street game retailers altogether. This is indisputable, we've seen the trend with the current consoles. They are only doing the disc thing out of consumer sentimentality for a hard copy. Discs are being phased out altogether and the developers will happily jump on board eventually. They already love Steam. According to that BBC link, MS have plans (which they will dump for the next generation imo) that you can "sell" your ownership of a game to get a discount on, Zeus knows what really, presumably new games.
We're good sheep... we just need a bit of coaxing and we'll fall into line. :P
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23. May 2013 @ 01:26 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Personally I would wait for official announcements & clarification rather than rely on this kind of reveal PR.
There's too much unsaid & what is said - usually by a 3rd party and not Microsoft - is often confused.
I don't find backward compatability a problem, I have a 360S, but I know some would love it.
Neither do I find mandatory game installs a problem as I always installed 360 games to hard drive to give the machine an easier time & chop the noise.
The used game thing is what I'm getting at about confused messages, we'll see.
Meanwhile as 1 UK journo said in one of our dailies, nobody is especially listening to the sort of people who write screens of criticism on the various forums & blogs.
They are (usually) a self-selecting group of critics untypical of the wider market & often with an agenda one way or the other.
Just saying.
(and no that wasn't me taking a pop at Andre either)
Thank you sir. The sky isn't falling until they make these speculations official with the release. Nothing is concrete until launch. I for one cannot wait until E3 for some real news we can use to start making our decisions on which console to buy or weather to buy at all. Less than 3 weeks!
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23. May 2013 @ 03:43 |
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A 500gb non changable hard drive on a system that may be filled with crap basic tv shows if allowed to be used as a dvr and or filled with games that install from blu ray discs that are about 25 to 50gb each on a hdd that again wont be upgradable? In this day and age when I can go out and buy 2tb for eighty bucks rather than buy another console just for storage of already price inflated games. F.U.
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23. May 2013 @ 05:35 |
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Originally posted by oneguy:
A 500gb non changable hard drive on a system that may be filled with crap basic tv shows if allowed to be used as a dvr and or filled with games that install from blu ray discs that are about 25 to 50gb each on a hdd that again wont be upgradable? In this day and age when I can go out and buy 2tb for eighty bucks rather than buy another console just for storage of already price inflated games. F.U.
500 GB is meh I agree... about $40AUS OEM... but they have stated that you can add a USB3 external drive with full functionality. Therefore, stick all your crap TV shows etc. on that and keep the faster internal HDD for gaming. Even use the external to store games and transfer them over for gaming off the internal.
I don't know if you've used a USB3 external HDD but they're pretty quick.
I'm not advocating an Xbox One, just saying the HDD business is, whilst not great, hardly a deal breaker, not really.
PS: You can buy a 2TB 2.5" internal laptop HDD for $80 in the US?!? ... death to America! :P
PPS: No wait! I've checked US Newegg all they have is horrible WD Green 2.5" 2TB drives for $180. Suppose you can always get an external 2.5" 2TB for about $150, bust it open and format that as an internal if you don't mind blowing your warranty. Looking at the brands I wouldn't suggest it. OK ... NOT death to America then. :)
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23. May 2013 @ 08:12 |
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I suspect a lot of what people are getting annoyed about (or claiming to be annoyed about) will turn out to either not be true or quietly dropped when it becomes clear it's not going to fly with the punters).
Or it may be that behind the scenes Sony, Microsoft and the bigger gaming companies (and Ninetendo?) have quietly agreed to introduce this new licencing idea.
We'll see soon enough....and I expect it'll become obvious whether it'll stick or not soon enough too.
We might also see emulation appear - or the Sony trick of putting an HD & warmed-over version of an old game up for download (at a cost, hopefully small).
I like the USB 3 connections & if the comment (that you can hook up any hard drive & get full functionality out of it - especially game saves etc) turns out to be true that that would be a step forward & make the 500gb drive a lot more useful.
I must admit I always went for the biggest 360 drive I could get and with an external for music, films & pics even 250gb was hardly a problem.
Networking made it all a bit irrelevant anyway - the PS3 slim was exactly the same for me, I stuck a 1tb drive in it & can't say as I make full use of it either.
Still, the original 360 launched with only 20gbs & ended up with 320gb.
It seems perfectly reasonable that in a fairly short space of time we'll see bigger drives in the Xbox one if that's really concerning some.
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23. May 2013 @ 08:30 |
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Its not worth 1000$ so I will pass.
If you double the price of the console you see its not worth your hard earned money!
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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23. May 2013 @ 08:31 |
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Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Frogfart:
They have no respect for their customers and we should just walk away.
Great Comment but it'll never happen...though I wish it would.
Another fair & balanced (not) Oner anti-Microsoft/anti-Xbox comment.
I wonder where your similar comments are regarding Sony when it comes to their track record of telling their paying customers with broken PS3's to either pay ridiculously expensive repair fees or to just get lost?
At least Microsoft brought in a much better 3yrs warranty (covering several although admittedly not every & all issues).
Shame no-one else followed this lead & it it didn't become an industry standard.
Thankfully in the EU we have a 2yr warrantly on all CE products (and further under UK law, up to 6yrs in some cases).
Rather than just bash Microsoft people ought to be pressing all the manufacturers to introduce decent warranties.
The original Xbox 360 may well have been bad but YLOD proves a lot of PS3 owners have been having (expensive) problems too.
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23. May 2013 @ 08:34 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by Oner:
Originally posted by Frogfart:
They have no respect for their customers and we should just walk away.
Great Comment but it'll never happen...though I wish it would.
Another fair & balanced (not) Oner anti-Microsoft/anti-Xbox comment.
I wonder where your similar comments are regarding Sony when it comes to their track record of telling their paying customers with broken PS3's to either pay ridiculously expensive repair fees or to just get lost?
At least Microsoft brought in a much better 3yrs warranty (covering several although admittedly not every & all issues).
Shame no-one else followed this lead & it it didn't become an industry standard.
Thankfully in the EU we have a 2yr warrantly on all CE products (and further under UK law, up to 6yrs in some cases).
Rather than just bash Microsoft people ought to be pressing all the manufacturers to introduce decent warranties.
The original Xbox 360 may well have been bad but YLOD proves a lot of PS3 owners have been having (expensive) problems too.
Looking at the 360(no BWC and win 8(and every other windose befor it) and this POS they are anti consumer.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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23. May 2013 @ 08:44 |
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Zippy...what's so awful about the 360, especially the 360S?
It has more b/c than any console, it doesn't actually have 'Windows 8' just a dashboard that looks like it.
(having said that I know a lot of people who like Win 8, it's very fast & with the 'Start 8' most of the issues people whine about re the 'Metro' layout vanish, plus it is the latest & most secure Windows)
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I think you're in the minority there.
XP & Win 7 have, in my opinion, been great.
Even Vista was perfectly good after SP1.
Vast compatibility with so much without hassle right out of the box, there just isn't an OS out there that matches them.
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23. May 2013 @ 08:54 |
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Oh god the 360 was a nightmare the first 3ish years and no BWC meant more unplugging and replugging in of stuff.
360s still dose not run my Xbox games.
And you forget windose Vister(sorry even with sp1 it sucks it should never take that long to fix something that should be fixed to start with), and "cement" :P
CE was an experiment they drooped as soon as they could, ME was a joke and well NT was okay for business sucked for everything else.
XP and win7 is good win 8 not so much so 3 for 3 and most of it beta testing on the masses is not a good thing. And lets not forget the 360 hardware fail rate is still nearly 30% (pre jasper I think). At best the YLOD is 5% blu ray drive issues making up another 2-5% keeping over all fail rate under 11%.
Copyright infringement is nothing more than civil disobedience to a bad set of laws. Lets renegotiate them.
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23. May 2013 @ 15:52 |
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Originally posted by dEwMe:
Originally posted by xminus:
The fine people at Steam said all my games will work on my next Pc and I will not be charged for reinstalling them, when I Upgrade my Pc later this year. :-)
I do not miss paying for Microsoft's Billboard game system. Microsoft must believe gamers cannot live without them.
You can buy a Pc around 500.00 that runs most title very well so why people are still buying consoles with more restrictive environments and more expensive games kind of defies logic.
So I guess they deserve whatever Microsoft does to them.
I believe that is the logic Microsoft is using to great success.
Well hopefully you'll fair better with Windows 8...Or pay a premium for a PC that will run Windows 7...Here's a tip if you're willing and able to do some of the work yourself. Checkout cowboom.com I have had pretty good luck picking up late model used PCs on their auctions. Make sure you check the manufacturer's web site and verify they have Windows 7 drivers for the machine you want to bid on. Or maybe you'll like Windfows 8? I can't stand it. Seems like they take your high end pc and turn it into an awkward tablet...
I build my own box every time I upgrade. I am not using Windows 8 ever, I will build around windows 7 or maybe Linux. I just read an article about getting 90 percent of Steam games to run in Linux. Might see if that really works before I upgrade.
Microsoft obviously does not need customers anymore, they want followers that will say anything they do is okay. It is not me bye Xbox bye Windows 8, that was really easy.
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23. May 2013 @ 19:29 |
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I currently have (4) Xbox360 and use to have (1) PS3. I decided not to purchase the new Xbox ONE at all and just purchase (2-3) PS4 consoles for the following reasons:
1) The design of the new Xbox ONE is very ugly and bulky; not to mention the depth of the Kinect sensor is to big too. I know it's a Xbox, but do you really need to make it look like an actual box, the design of it looks more like a cable box or satellite dish box. I think they are putting too much thought into this. I mean how hard is to hit the source button to go back and forth between TV and video game. You can also use PIP, majority of good HDTV offer this, sh*t even old Tube TVs offer this.
2) Adding restrictions of playing your games on a friends console. I like going to my friends house and bringing my games along with me to play there too or borrowing games.
3) Forcing us to install the game on a 500 hard drive will get full real fast because I'm sure the games will be on Blu-Ray.
I was really looking forward to getting the new Xbox ONE, but they are acting like a Nazi regime and I wont follow. I guess I will be playing my PlayStation more often... plus I can play online for free with the PS too!!!!!
P.S. the reason for multiple same consoles is because I have it for upstairs and downstairs and my wife plays on the consoles too.
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23. May 2013 @ 19:30 |
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LOL!!! are you seriouse microsoft!!!!! this is what you come up with and expect gamers to buy it!!! lol yea ps4 for me thats for sure, i dont care how cool the games are.. we are being FORCED into alot with the new xbox. fuck that!!! atleast i am not FORCED into buying the new xbox. wow good bye xbox and hello new ps4!!!
but remember someone will hack the xbox 1. but until then no friken way!!
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24. May 2013 @ 09:13 |
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Beats me why people take such strong opinions one way or the other.
We still have to wait & see the details of the Xbox One, old leaks & rumours are no substitute for facts.
...and as for the Microsoft v Sony nonsense it seems to have escaped some people's attention that they are both just capitalist corporations trying to maximise profits.
They are nobody's friend.
Both have, at times, treated customers badly and both have, at times, pulled cr@ppy strokes as businesses.
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Microsoft obviously does not need customers anymore, they want followers that will say anything they do is okay.
It is not me bye Xbox bye Windows 8, that was really easy.
...and some of us need software that works with almost everything right out of the box and do not have the time or inclination to get that involved with alternate OS softwares.
I'm not bashing you taking the view you have (although I do find a lot of the anti Win 8 stuff interesting now I know some people with it who find it to be a 'light' & fast OS, I wonder if this is like Vista & people who have never used it pile into bash?) but you can't deny that - especially for the mass home market - Windows remains number 1 there for some very good reasons?
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24. May 2013 @ 13:31 |
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I wonder how many will overheat?
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24. May 2013 @ 14:08 |
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Originally posted by Jemborg:
It's absolutely certain MS want you to pay the full price again for a second hand disc... yes???
This and not having to leave your disc in after install explains the daily verification process.
What xminus above says about Steam and backward compatibility is true but, face it, they have has the single owner thing down from the get go. MS look at Steam and think naturally that their punters will accept it too, and they probably might... eventually.
Well, I took it to be "a fee", which is not necessarily the same as "full price" of course, but the fact that they're double-dipping on games which may or may not be of dubious quality is the final straw for me. I had hoped that they would've included backward-compatibility as well, but after $ony pissed me off the last time with their rhetoric before the Piece of Shit 3's release I have to say I'm finished with consoles until such time that the powers that be stop being the money-grubbing bastards that they are (read as never) and listen to what their fans want. I have plenty of games here to play, so I'll be quite content for some time to come...
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24. May 2013 @ 16:19 |
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Kinect and its camera will always be on in your living room, watching you. Pair that up with a voice-activated system, and you're looking at an embarrassing situation waiting to happen.
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Kinect and its camera will always be on in your living room, watching you. Pair that up with a voice-activated system, and you're looking at an embarrassing situation waiting to happen.
Damn right: embarrassing for anyone on the other end watching me jerk off to my own system. After all if MS wants to watch us, we may as well show them EVERYTHING.
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Originally posted by bdaleypsu:
Kinect and its camera will always be on in your living room, watching you. Pair that up with a voice-activated system, and you're looking at an embarrassing situation waiting to happen.
You do realise that the only way for this to be credible is if Microsoft (or the Gov or the UN or who or whatever else inhabits your over-active imagination) have zillions of people who do nothing but watch other people.
I think this is all just a tad overdone.
There are too many of 'us' to 'them', relax.
People said the same thing 10yrs ago about XP and it's reporting back (throw in a mic & a webcam to complete the paranoia).
Besides given what so many seem happy to share voluntarily on a host of sites so many seem not to care.
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24. May 2013 @ 19:07 |
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I slso not going to buy the new Xbox for all the reason many of you mention.I Just want freedom i'll stick with my XB360.
ps:Not going to buy Gaystation 4.
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24. May 2013 @ 19:47 |
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Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by bdaleypsu:
Kinect and its camera will always be on in your living room, watching you. Pair that up with a voice-activated system, and you're looking at an embarrassing situation waiting to happen.
You do realise that the only way for this to be credible is if Microsoft (or the Gov or the UN or who or whatever else inhabits your over-active imagination) have zillions of people who do nothing but watch other people.
I think this is all just a tad overdone.
There are too many of 'us' to 'them', relax.
People said the same thing 10yrs ago about XP and it's reporting back (throw in a mic & a webcam to complete the paranoia).
Besides given what so many seem happy to share voluntarily on a host of sites so many seem not to care.
Originally posted by Interestx:
Originally posted by bdaleypsu:
Kinect and its camera will always be on in your living room, watching you. Pair that up with a voice-activated system, and you're looking at an embarrassing situation waiting to happen.
You do realise that the only way for this to be credible is if Microsoft (or the Gov or the UN or who or whatever else inhabits your over-active imagination) have zillions of people who do nothing but watch other people.
I think this is all just a tad overdone.
There are too many of 'us' to 'them', relax.
People said the same thing 10yrs ago about XP and it's reporting back (throw in a mic & a webcam to complete the paranoia).
Besides given what so many seem happy to share voluntarily on a host of sites so many seem not to care.
I was actually thinking of accidentally broadcasting something embarrassing to your friends/family/acquaintances - not Microsoft or the Government. So it really seems like YOU are the one with the "over-active imagination".
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