|
convert PAL to NTSC
|
|
|
gkarlos
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
25. October 2005 @ 13:39 |
Link to this message
|
|
First of all, Thanks to Minion, 'cause he really helped me in another subject about using CCE SP as the best to convert AVI to MPEG/DVD. The final result is really incredible!
I'm still have some problems, particularly because I discovered that some of my Movie AVI's are in PAL 25FPS and I'm getting crazy trying to configure the CCE SP. (I'm still using the trial version)
I've tried a lot... make hundreds of combinations, but still not working
If I set frame rate to 29.97 the DVD run smoothly on my 2 DVD players (Sony and Cyberhome). BUT there is an incredible audio off sync that I think is impossible to fix (its not linear delay)
But if I set the frame rate to 25 (resizing to 720x480), the audio is perfectly in sync with video BUT do not run on my Sony once the final DVD is really PAL (actually NTSC with wrong parameters).
Do you know how to adjust the frame rate without loosing the audio sync?
I've even tried using VSO DIVxToDVD... I think it's a little slower and the final results is far from what you get with CCE
I thought I could extract only the audio as a WAV and then combine it with the mpv generated by CCE. But the question is: How to guarantee the synchronism with the video?
I'm sorry if this looks like a 'dumb' question, but as you can see I'm a newbee
Thanks in advance
GKARlos
(Sci-Fi movies, C programming and beers)
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. October 2005 @ 20:27
|
|
Advertisement
|
 |
|
|
|
draven006
Newbie
|
24. December 2005 @ 00:59 |
Link to this message
|
Hi there,
I didn?t read the whole forum, but I have an answer for the conversion of PAL/NTSC to NTSC/PAL. and this will do the menus for you as well.
First run Voblanker, and select the input DVD. It will show you the Video Format, "right click" and select Video Attrib. now select the correct format you want NTSC or PAL.
Do this for all the VOB files you want to convert, then select a new output folder and click PROCESS!
This only changes the VOB format not the menu yet.
Once the process is done, open IFOEdit and open the video_ts.ifo files from your new output folder.
On the first page it opens you will see in the bottom bigger window that the format is still NTSC (if that was the original DVD) but the rest will say PAL or vice versa.
"Double Click" the lines that have the wrong format for you and select the right format PAL/NTSC. Save the file.
Now open each ifo file and do the same saving each one.
Now burn using your favourite burning software and now the menus and the movie and even the extras are all in the right colour format for you.
Hope this helps.
In the next few days I will make images to go with this guide and post it as a New forum.
|
|
draven006
Newbie
|
24. December 2005 @ 09:05 |
Link to this message
|
hi there quick update
you dont need to use voblanker at all
just use IFOEdit, and every time you see a desiered colour format you dont want just change it, do it with ever ifo file from the dvd and they are all on the first opening page when you open the ifo's so there is no need to search for them, they are all right there in your face.
have fun
|
|
mr570
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
24. December 2005 @ 19:06 |
Link to this message
|
I need to thank everyone who recomended Nero Vision. It totally did the job for me. I was converting DV AVI PAL videos so that I could edit in Pinaccle. Nero Vision totally did the trick. Audio remained in sync, and framerate looks great!
Plus... it was super simple. No (de)muxing needed =)
|
|
montecary
Newbie
|
25. December 2005 @ 18:04 |
Link to this message
|
|
I discovered it is very simple to convert a PAL format DVD to NTSC using only NeroVision Express. I am a real newbie and know nothing about any of the esoteric mumbo jumbo of VOB?s, fps?s or VTS?s. All I did was put the PAL DVD into my DVDRW drive. Started NeroVision Express and followed the idiot-proof onscreen prompts. The first screen will ask, What do you want to do? Choose the option: Make DVD >DVD-Video and click ?Next? On the next screen choose the option: Import Disc>DVD-RW IDE 16X (or whatever drive you are using). The program will then inspect the DVD in the drive and show you the list of titles on the DVD. Simply choose the main title (or titles you want to include) and follow the step by step instructions, until it asks you if you want it to convert all to NTSC. (Choose ?yes?) The program will then do all the transcoding and necessary steps and tell you when to insert your blank media and burn. It was surprisingly simple!
Monte
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 25. December 2005 @ 18:09
|
|
montecary
Newbie
|
25. December 2005 @ 18:08 |
Link to this message
|
I discovered it is very simple to convert a PAL format DVD to NTSC using only NeroVision Express. I am a real newbie and know next to nothing about any of the esoteric mumbo jumbo of VOB?s, fps?s or VTS?s. All I did was put the PAL DVD into my DVDRW drive. Started NeroVision Express and followed the idiot-proof onscreen prompts. The first screen will ask, What do you want to do? Choose the option: Make DVD >DVD-Video and click ?Next? On the next screen choose the option: Import Disc>DVD-RW IDE 16X (or whatever drive you are using). The program will then inspect the DVD in the drive and show you the list of titles on the DVD. Simply choose the main title (or titles you want to include) and follow the step by step instructions, until it asks you if you want it to convert all to NTSC. (Choose ?yes?) The program will then do all the transcoding and necessary steps and tell you when to insert your blank media and burn. It was surprisingly simple and played flawlessly!
Monte
|
|
Zeelot3k
Newbie
|
25. December 2005 @ 19:18 |
Link to this message
|
yea....it does work flawlessly...
but ur going to lose alot of quality.
i did find that if u tell Nero to do 2 pass encoding it comes out
decently but that was from a PAL format AVI file so the quality was
already low enough and it was a comedy movie without any action or
anything that would make any quality loss obvious.
i will try a real dvd soon but even with 2 passes i doubt it will come out any better than it did last time i tried.
|
|
dll2hell
Newbie
|
26. December 2005 @ 19:39 |
Link to this message
|
Minion --- you (as well as RebootJim) helped me sometime ago with my conversion of a PAL movie to a NTSC movie and now in process of doing another few without using dgpulldown and am using your AVS script w/ TMPGEnc that looks like this:
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\MPEG2DEC3.dll")
LoadPlugin("C:\Program Files\AviSynth 2.5\plugins\ac3source.dll")
MPEG2Source("F:\Demux DVD\PALmov.d2v")
AC3Source("F:\Demux DVD\PALmov.ac3")
AssumeFPS(23.976,True)
LanczosResize(720,480)
Do i setup TMPGEnc like this then?
(a.) under settings selected 720x480, 16:9Display @ 23.976 Frame Rate,
CQ for rate control, NTSC for video format and 3:2 pulldown when playback selected for Enclode mode and left other settings @ default.
You wrote: "Then encode to mpeg-2 at 23.976fps with 3:2 Pulldown and you will have a NTSC Mpeg-2 file with Perfectly in Sync audio...."
So now, do I select system (video only) or system (video+Audio) and insert path to AC3 for Audio Source?
When I did a trial run my Command line read like this:
MPEG-2 720x480 23.976fps CQ65, Layer-2 48000Hz 384kbps when I selected system (video+Audio) but did not insert Audio Source.
I assume since the resulting mpg file had no audio that I should have put the path to the AC3 file in there? :-) Right?
So if I insert audio source I will have a NTSC MPEG-2 file with audio added that is sync'ed up to video and will then just need to Author to create VOB's and then burn and won't have to use dgpulldown and then mux in audio later, correct?
Thank you and others for all your help...it is much appreciated!
Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then go do it.
|
|
dll2hell
Newbie
|
27. December 2005 @ 06:14 |
Link to this message
|
Update: I ran the AVS script w/ TMPGEnc with settings discussed and incl.path to AC3 file for Audio Source, however, NO sound at all, but a nice looking video :-)
Plz help. Thanx
Always listen to experts. They'll tell you what can't be done and why. Then go do it.
|
|
macmic
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
28. December 2005 @ 13:24 |
Link to this message
|
I've been trying for several days now to write PAL AVI's to NTSC DVD, but without satisfactory results.
Nero 7 always produced a very jerky output, no matter what combination of options I used.
But, I've just tried a demo of DivXtoDVD, and that is far smoother, and given the far from perfect quality of the originals, I'd consider it "acceptable".
However, before I buy it, I'm also about to try a demo of ProCoder, so I'll let you know how that turns out. :)
Mac
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
28. December 2005 @ 14:19 |
Link to this message
|
macmic..try the free version VSO DivXtoDVD..ITS FASTER then the Demeo
|
|
macmic
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
29. December 2005 @ 11:48 |
Link to this message
|
Thanks Rick, but I'm more concerned about quality than speed. :)
Anyway, the three proggies I've tried for conversion from PAL to NTSC;
Nero Vision (Nero 7), VSO DivXtoDVD, and Canopus ProCoder 2.
DivxToDVD was the fastest, about 25 minutes.
Nero about 40 minutes, and,
Procoder about 3hrs 40 minutes.
Quality-wise, Nero was unwatchable,
DivxToDVD was reasonably good,
but Procoder was excellent, and that is what I'll be using from now on.
Mac
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
29. December 2005 @ 11:55 |
Link to this message
|
|
@macmic..Well thats good,but the quality is good also.As U know you cannot improve on the quality of what you already have,all U can do is hopefully loose as little as possible
Procoder works well
So does AVI2DVD By TrustFm
|
|
csham1023
Newbie
|
8. February 2006 @ 19:09 |
Link to this message
|
I have procoder 2 now... and I tried to convert a PAL to NTSC, and it gave me an estimate of something ridiculous...like 90 hours!!!!
What am I doing wrong??
Converting a drama movie (not sure if i'm allowed to mention titles?)
I have a computer thats only a year old, and has plenty of power.
Athlon XP pushing 2300, with 1 GB of RAM.
Can somebody help?
|
|
tort
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
8. February 2006 @ 20:56 |
Link to this message
|
|
I tried Procoder 2 myself, the BEST I've found so far is Sony Vegas, it does the best NTSC/PAL conversion I've been able to find anywhere.
|
|
Minion
AfterDawn Addict
|
9. February 2006 @ 14:24 |
Link to this message
|
|
Well on My System it only takles about 3 hours to encode a 2 hour Movie useing Canopus Procoder....Make sure you aren"t doing a 2 Pass encode as it will take Twice as Long....
P-4 2.6ghz (Overclocked to 3.2ghz)
Abit IS7
1gb Dual Chanell DDR 400mhz
Zalman CNPS7000-CU Cooler(Modded with 50cfm Fan)
XFX Gforce 6600GT 128mb GDDR3 (500/1000)
Pinnacle DV500 ADVC Editing Card
RaidMax Scorpio ATX Case + 5 Led
|
|
Trom
Member
|
14. February 2006 @ 12:32 |
Link to this message
|
For those of you who would still like a complete walkthrough/guide I came across the following guide for both PAL>NTSC and NTSC>PAL, http://www.ntsc2pal.hostrocket.com/. It does use AVISynth script's and a lot of apps(all but 1 free) but its worth a look.
|
|
Trom
Member
|
15. February 2006 @ 06:39 |
Link to this message
|
|
The guide I referred to is just too complicated for me so I am going to go with Minion's advice and use procoder 2 converting the PAL movie to NTSC VOB files. However I still have a couple of questions.
1. When I convert the Video Files to NTSC how do I re-join the audio files I demuxed with TMPGEnc.
2. Having done 1, I will end up with 2 folders to burn to DVD, AUDIO_TS and VIDEO_TS. Will I still have to shrink the movie to fit on a DVD-R using the DVD-RB/CCE method for instance or should I do this before I demux/convert. Which is the best way to proceed.
Addittion:
I am really not doing well with this. Just so you know where I'm at i will outline the steps I am taking. Firstly I rip the DVD in file mode to my HD using DVDDecrypter. I now have the main movie(which is all I am interested in) in 5(mpeg-2) files, 4 with a size of 1,048,574kb and the 5th a smaller file. I now load the first mpge-2 file into TmpgEnc and use the "Mpeg Tools" to run a simple de-multiplex on the file ending up with a video and an audio file. However when I run the video file through Procoder2-wizard(convert to NTSC-MPEG) I always end up with a larger output file than the one I input meaning when I use TmpgEnc's mpeg tools to run a simple multiplex on the output file and the audio file I previously created from de-multiplexing the original file, the end result is that the audio is out of sync. I have tried changing the output stream format from Procoder 2 to DVD(VOB Files) in the advanced output settings but this results in me getting 2 video files from the 1 Video input file, I could never hope to match up the audio file with these. I cannot figure out where I am going wrong and would appericate some pointers.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. February 2006 @ 11:08
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
15. February 2006 @ 12:15 |
Link to this message
|
|
@ Trom..Why are U useing TmpgEnc to seperate Audio & Video..This is un-necessary..as procoder 2..will do it all & keep it at a proper size.. just import all VOB's..if U get all the VOB's in ProCoder..& make the proper adjustments on the right side
The very easiest method is to use VSO Divx to DVD..JUST IMPORT ALL Vob's by holding down the shift key & start with your last Vob first 7,6,5,4 etc this puts your movie in proper order..the finished product is impressive
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. February 2006 @ 12:26
|
|
Street
Inactive
|
15. February 2006 @ 12:17 |
Link to this message
|
|
I have procoder 2 now... it gave me an estimate of something ridiculous...like 90 hours!!!!
Yeah some of these conversions are so intricate and time consuming that I think you could pretty much buy a screenplay, pitch it to Studio execs, hire the cast, shoot, edit and be at your premiere in less time than it takes to re-render 1.5 gig of existing media.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. February 2006 @ 12:17
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
15. February 2006 @ 12:28 |
Link to this message
|
|
@ Street..Very true..but a little more costly
|
|
Trom
Member
|
15. February 2006 @ 14:22 |
Link to this message
|
|
Thanks Rick, will give it a whirl.
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
15. February 2006 @ 14:33 |
Link to this message
|
Trom..GOOD LUCK..Just a suggestion..Why not try VSO DivX to DVD 1st..use a rw/dvd..just to have a look see..cause however long your movie is,it won't take any longer to convert it
|
|
Trom
Member
|
15. February 2006 @ 14:49 |
Link to this message
|
|
Yes I saw that software mentioned earlier on in this thread and it looked pretty easy to do a PAL>NTSC conversion but I do not have it. I think I will stick with your first sugestion regarding Procoder(as I have it) for now and if it still defeats me I'll download VSO DivX to DVD and take it from there. Thanks again for the input.
One thing I might mention is the reason I was using TmpgEnc to split the mpeg file into audio and video was I read earlier in this thread that Procoder cannot handle the audio in VOB files.
This message has been edited since posting. Last time this message was edited on 15. February 2006 @ 15:28
|
|
Advertisement
|
|
|
|
rick5446
Suspended due to non-functional email address
|
15. February 2006 @ 23:07 |
Link to this message
|
|
Trom..Not so it does an excellent job..just a little time consuming...but as any products go it can't make it better then the original[being the file your working with]
|
