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Minion
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28. September 2005 @ 12:30 |
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Here, try these settings:
Accept you should set your own bitrate settings Based on the Length of your Movie so it comes out the Correct size so it fits on a DVD and also Remember to set the Frame rate to 23.976fps and then to enable 2:3 or 3:2 Pulldown...
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Dtronx
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28. September 2005 @ 22:58 |
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Minion,
Ok encoded it and everything the one quick question I had for you in my description setting it is saying Natural 3? Can you tell me what that means. And also when I used DGMPGDEC to make my .d2v file under Video -> Field Operation I left it checked off for honor pulldown flags or should I have checked off ignore pulldown flags. I don't know what the difference is in the 2 since when they changed it from DVD2AVI.
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Minion
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29. September 2005 @ 12:08 |
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I"m sorry but I do not use DGMPGDEC (I still use DVD2AVI) but if your DVD is a PAL DVD then there would not be any Pulldown flags to ignore (You are Converting PAL to NTSC aren"t you) as 3:2 and 2:3 Pulldown is NTSC Thing....
Also if the DVD is PAL you wouldn"t need to add a Deinterlace Filter in your AVISynth Script as Most all PAL DVD"s are Progressive...
I also don"t know what you are Talking about when you say "Natural 3" but if you are Talking about the "Quality" settings in CCE then just set them the way i have them set....
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DruidCtba
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13. October 2005 @ 20:34 |
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Hi Minion!
I'm a newer in this forum.
Minion, it's possible you put here one guide (step by step) using one GUI for Avisynth 2.5 (I have AviScript 2.9) with CCE SP 2.5 (My machine is Pentium II and haven't SSE instruction for above versions of CCE).
I'm lost here and I get it converter one PAL DVD that I received from a Germain Friend.
In time, I converted one MPEG PAL to MPEG NTSC using:
1. TMPGEnc 2.5 e DoPulldown, but one problem: reencoder audio, the mp2 192 kbps compress, in reencoder, lossy quality.
2. Canopus Procoder 2
3. DGPulldown 1.0.3 (very pretty program, fast to reencoder), see: http://neuron2.net/dgpulldown/dgpulldown.html (Please talk to me for this program!)
4.MainConcept.
TMPGEnc 2.5 and Canpous is very slowly to reencoder.
MainConcept is half time reencoder to TMPGEnc 2.5 and Canopus.
But DGPulldown is very quickly.
The image from videos reencoder is good.
Fine thanks for your attention.
Druid®
P.S. Sorry my poor english, I'm living in Brasil :o)!
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Minion
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14. October 2005 @ 12:28 |
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DGPulldown is Not an encoder all it does is Change the Header in your Mpeg-2 file so there is absolutly no encodeing going on....
Well I am working on a Guide on Converting PAL to NTSC useing AVISynth and CCE SP 2.70 but not with CCE sp 2.50....
I am surprised that you can even Get CCE 2.5 to Run on your P-2, You should maybe Upgrade your PC to a Much faster One so you can encode in a Reasonable ammount of Time as on a P-2 it must Take days to encode a Movie...You could Upgrade your P-2 to about 3.0ghz for only about $100 if you do the work yourself and it is not very Hard to do.....
If you want some Links to were you can Buy the Parts to upgrade your PC for Really Cheap then let me know....
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Street
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14. October 2005 @ 12:47 |
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Well Minion I guess you've just answered a question I was going to ask. I just "acquired" a completely "enabled" version of CCE 2.7. Some folks have advised using an earlier version but I'm going to assume 2.7 is the way to go.
BTW:
I tried using Canopus Procorder 2 (for the PAL<-->>NTSC conversion) as you suggested above. It took awhile but gave some pretty nice results--maybe not as nice as you might get with a more complex process--but still pretty damn nice for what is essentially a one or two button push!
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rick5446
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15. October 2005 @ 03:00 |
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HELLO...Minion..Quick Question,is Mainconcept H264 encoding [Mpeg4]..is it basically [Divx,AVI,Xvid]& if so will it play in a stand alone DivX DVD player
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Minion
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15. October 2005 @ 12:29 |
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Yes, The Mainconcept H264 Encoder is a Mpeg-4 encoder but I do not Know for sure if a DivX enabled DVD Player will Play these files But I think it should....I Guess One way to Find out is To Just Try it?
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Zeelot3k
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15. October 2005 @ 13:15 |
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very unlickely, h264 is still too new and unstable to be used imo
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Street
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15. October 2005 @ 14:37 |
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Actually Mainconcept has just released v2 or their H.264 Encoder. I just got an email from them this week and I doubt many folks have actually gotten their hands on it yet!
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rick5446
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16. October 2005 @ 05:49 |
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The H.264 Encoder..does an excellent job on Mpeg's.It's just to bad it does not go the added step to make a DVD.You still need a prog,like TMPG DVD to make the final transition.With all that is available on todays market,it really is not worth the asking price..if you search wisely you might find a torrent..some place like demonoid.com
The main reason i like it is that some [Divx,AVI'S,Xvid's]are made so small that when converted they are only about a 1/4 to a 1/3 of your TV screen.With H.264 U can stretch them to a decent size with close to no quality loss,depending on the quality of what u have to work with.Naturally if u start with a bad file all u can really do is stretch it & end up with larger blemishes..I stretched Batman Begins & it was a decent vid to watch
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Minion
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16. October 2005 @ 12:03 |
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Well the H.264 Encoder isn"t at all what you need to use to Make a DVD because it Isn"t the Correct Format for DVD so you would need a Lot More than TMPGEnc DVD Author to put the Files on to DVD....
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rick5446
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17. October 2005 @ 09:15 |
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Hello Minion..H.264 Encoder..is just the name of the program...if u look at it closely it alows u different formats other then H.264..on the output format change toMPEG type[ DVD] & Stream type change to[Program{Video+Audio}..] also PAL or NTSC,which ever u fancy.Also I prefer LPCM in the Audio mode which seems to enhance the volume some-what .WHICH when converted,is most definetly TMPG DVD COMPATABLE..I do it all the time..as I've said in earlier posts..i like it due to the fact u can stretch your Video back to full screen
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Street
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17. October 2005 @ 09:54 |
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Yup the new H.264 Encoder is really just the Mainconcept 1.4.2 encoder with H.264 as an addition supported format. The new v2 of MC H.264 only addresses a rewrite of the H.264 format itself--not all the other supported formats which are the same as in V1 of the H.264 encoder and the same as in v1.4.2. Minion is very familiar with the Mainconcept encoder so I'm actually not sure what his last point was.
You can use Mainconcept to convert just about any media format to a DVD or Extended DVD compliant mpeg and then use TMPGENC DVD Author to add menus and chapters--if you want. That will give a good quality PAL<-->NTSC conversion--equal IHMO to the quality you achieve using other methods like Virtualdub & Besweet, or Canopus, or many other tools.
You CAN get a higher quality PAL<-->NTSC with CCE IF you want to spend the extra time figuring out how and more time on the the conversion itself.
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Minion
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17. October 2005 @ 12:15 |
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Sorry, I didn"t know the Mpeg-4 encoder also encoded to Mpeg-2 format, I sort of Figured if they have a Mpeg encoder and a Mpeg-4 encode why add Mpeg-2 to the Mpeg-4 encoder but not add Mpeg-4 to the Mpeg-2 encoder....
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rick5446
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18. October 2005 @ 09:19 |
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Thats alright..Minion..to err is human..to forgive is devine
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MrPibbs
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18. October 2005 @ 15:38 |
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I got too frustrated by this PAL to NTSC conversion, and just bought a DVD player that plays both formats perfectly.
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rick5446
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18. October 2005 @ 17:40 |
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WOW Their..MrPibbs..Why did'nt i think of that!!I myself can't talk for the most on this here site who dabble in all this HULLABALU..But for me I like foolin with all these different programs..& learning all the technics & just seeing all the accomplishment that these guys have done towards this,so called can't or don't do society in which we live..even that DVD player U bought plays all your PALs & so forth..Just look at all the diff. Programs WOW !!Mine even plays DivX..Now where the hell did DivX come from Aye!Who the hell thought that up ! What the hell for..Well thats simple [just because someone wanted to improve something]
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Street
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18. October 2005 @ 19:46 |
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To be sure a more and more players are able to play not so much PAL & NTSC but all kinds of mpeg and other compressed formats. I like the mp3-to-DVD format that lets you put about 100,000 songs on a single piece of plastic and "air" them on a DVD player.
And, of course, there's a whole culture of "firmware hackers" out there devoted to the task of figuring out how to defeat all the crap like Macrovision and "Region limits". If you have an APEX or something like that you can be pretty sure there's a Firmware Hack out there for you even if your player is years old.
Unfortunately I've been unable to find or create a firmwarehack for my SONY 400DVD changer--although there is a chip replacement available for it. I bought that 400 changer with a purpose and am still pretty happy with it.
BTW:
MainConcept MPEG Encoder 1.5 is now out!
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ziggy80
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23. October 2005 @ 17:26 |
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I try to convert with PROCODER and it seems to do the conversion. I use Cyberlink audio decoder and I am able to get the audio. The audio is quiet, but I try to add an audio filter that raises the volume x2. It turns out OKAY, but not perfect. For some reason the original PAL version always seems to have good audio, but not my output in NTSC. I also end up getting allot of aliasing, and squares, artifacts here and there. Their not huge, but you can notice. Their not noticable on TV but sure are on the PC. Any ideas how to fix the artifacts and alisings? Thanx :)
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Minion
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23. October 2005 @ 18:12 |
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Most artifacts you will see on your Monitor are because you are watching at full screen and a PC monitor has a Much Higher resolution than your TV or the Video file so it has to get resized to watch at fullscreen which degrades the quality...There aint Much you can do about that....
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ziggy80
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23. October 2005 @ 19:30 |
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The artifacts that I mentioned do not appear in the original PAL movie watched on my computer, they only appear after I convert to NTSC.
Under Frame Rate for the target I choose 29.976. The original PAL movie has 25 from what it shows (source). I only see two other options (for the target) to choose from.
24p -> NTSC(3-2pulldown)
23.976p -> NTSC(3-2pulldown)
My source is 25fps from what it shows so I dunno where this is coming from.
Could this have anything to do with the artifacts I am getting in my output?
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Minion
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24. October 2005 @ 12:26 |
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Well If I were you I would select the "23.976p -> NTSC(3-2pulldown)" Frame Rate setting when encodeing PAL to NTSC , This way instead of Converting 25fps to 29.976fps it Converts 25fps to 23.976fps and then assd 3:2 Pulldown flags to make up the 29.976fps Frame Rate, This way you sould get a Much smoother Flowing Image but I do not know if this has anything to do with the artifacts you are seeing....
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ziggy80
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25. October 2005 @ 05:09 |
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Hi,
Thanks for the tip. Selecting 23.976p -> NTSC(3-2pulldown) seems to be giving a better output, I do not see the artifacts anymore on the one test I did so far:) I still don't get the technical aspect fully despite all the research I did. These differences of 23.976fps, 24fps, 25fps, what is the difference, and why all these standards? I'm also wondering, how much quality am I loosing by this conversion. Is there anything better outthere than the Procoder?
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ziggy80
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25. October 2005 @ 05:34 |
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Sorry, I misinformed alittlebit. I actually used the 24fps->NTSC setting for now, and that seemed to give no artifacts, which is good. I only did one test. I will now try the 23.976p -> NTSC(3-2pulldown) setting as suggested.
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