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convert PAL to NTSC
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tgunn2760
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22. October 2004 @ 20:06 |
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I also would like to thank Minion for taking the time to post how to use Vegas 4. Your help is very much appreciated.
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shaqer
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3. November 2004 @ 14:12 |
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This is to Minion and anyone else who understands his process for converting PAL to VOB
I have read through many of your posts about the correct way to convert PAL to NTSC.
I'm hoping that you can help me. Of all your posts I've still not been able to figure this out.
I've got a movie in PAL VOB format that I want to convert to NTSC. I'm reading from the message created here http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/6/88644
about 3/4 the way down the page with the following date and time:
17. October 2004 @ 17:24
Is this the correct way to convert VOB files?
It really appears like you know what you're saying about slowing down the video and synching the audio up with it. I want to use this way. but by following those instructions, I think something was left out. So far what I have done is to use DVD2AVI to separate the audio from the VOB files and get rid of the borders on the top and bottom. That leaves me with 2 files: movie.d2v and movie_yada_yada.wav. You mention next to use CCE, but CCE will only open up these extensions: .ecl, .AVI, .avs, .mov, .dv, .dif, and some images. It does not open .d2v files. What am I missing here?
Pardon my ignorance. I find this fascinating and am new to the world of video manipulation. Thanks for your help!
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SickBreeD
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4. November 2004 @ 20:57 |
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I have followed minion's advice and successfully reformatted van helsing went from PAL MFT VOB's to NTSC VOB set burnt it and it works great even in the crappy DVD player I have that doesn't even play some real DVD's.
I did borrow some tips from WMAUDIO for the beginning process because I don't have all the programs Minion recommends like canopus and I'm to stupid to figure out how to use avisynth lol
Also works in ps2 and xbox
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SickBreeD
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4. November 2004 @ 21:09 |
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Hey minion I do have a question...
Somebody recorded a show for me from their tivo or somthing and I uploaded it to my computer...
It's in AVI format and theres like 13 episodes, the first one is NTSC but the rest of em say 23.96 or whatever in roxio dvd builder...and when I try to load em into dvd2avi it crashes or goes all wierd on me and only says the framerate...
I tryed dopulldown.exe but didn't "do" anything and same with other pulldown thing uh you mentioned both in your little how to guide lol
Please don't tell me I have to convert all 18 hours of them to MPEG cause I started to with tmpgenc and thats how long it said it would take...
it's just a cartoon-(venture bros) does animation make a difference at all as opposed to movies?
sorry no time to check my shpelling.
also whats the best way to shrink a T.V. series so that it fits on a 4.7GB DVD+R
I have dvd shrink...
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ciam
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8. November 2004 @ 20:55 |
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Minion, is it possible that you write a simple procedure of how to copy a DVD in PAL to NTSC and vise versa, from start to finish in the manner of wmaudio's? Don't have to be so detailed as you've to spend hours on it. Just as a starting point for newbies like me who still have problem following or making sense of what you've said in this thread.
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Zeelot3k
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28. November 2004 @ 08:10 |
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hi guys,
ive been following this thread for months now and it sent me in pretty much the right direction to convert my PAL dvds to NTSC....but it never works, this is what ive been doing:
i have DVD2AVI to create a d2v and a wav file from my VOB files
then im trying to use avisynth to do all the editing...but i need 2 plugin files, the MPEG2DEC.dll
and the SmoothDeinterlacer.dll
the problem is that there seems to be lots of different versions of these files that i can never get the ones that work together, either my avisynth version, my DVD2AVI thats not making the right type of d2v files, or one of the plugins doesnt work...
this is the script i used in avisynth and it tells me it cannot open file in line 3:
LoadPlugin("c:\avisynth2\plugins\MPEG2DEC.dll")
LoadPlugin("c:\avisynth2\plugins\SmoothDeinterlacer.dll")
MPEG2Source("F:\helsing22\bleep.d2v")
SmoothDeinterlace(doublerate=true)
LanczosResize(720,480)
ChangeFPS(59.94) # or ConvertFPS(59.94)
SeparateFields()
SelectEvery(4,1,2)
Weave()
ConvertToRGB()
does anyone know if theres something wrong with that? or if anyone can give me a zip file with the right avisynth/dvd2avi/plugins combination that actually works along with the avisynth script to use?
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Zeelot3k
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22. December 2004 @ 13:34 |
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please anyone?
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VideoProd
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27. December 2004 @ 16:23 |
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My problem is I'm trying to convert a home video (PAL 50 fields/s) to NTSC. Obviously the source is not Progressive, and I don't want to interpolate for two reasons: 1. I don't like the idea of halving the resolution (576 to 288) and 2. I want to retain the smooth 50 fields/s motion as opposed to the 25f/s (or 24f/s) filmic look.
So far, the best method I've found for converting interlaced PAL video to interlaced NTSC is by a process called motion compensation (aka motion estimation). I can't believe this process has not yet been mentioned in this thread. This process identifies objects and their trajectories in the original video and based on this information, draws new frames.
The demo version of HiCon32 (ver 1.1.11) is the only decent program I've found that will do the conversion. However, the program is very unstable, takes up heaps of RAM and only supports a few video formats (the best of which is uncompressed RGB which takes up heaps of HDD space).
Does anyone know of another motion estimation based program that will convert PAL to NTSC (preferably one that supports DirectShow)?
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brad1102
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13. March 2005 @ 06:37 |
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You know, this topic truly amazes me - I've come to this thread about 15 times over the last year or so, and I am now ready to spew my frustration.
Why is the solution for converting a PAL format DVD to NTSC taking so many steps to do properly?
As a consumer, I am certainly not interested in a 8-step process on how to do this - my time is worth enough to me not to throw away several hours of it to 'possibly' make a viewable NTSC DVD from a PAL DVD source.
Is there a program that will do all of this for me:
1. Rip a PAL DVD9 or DVD5 to a local folder
2. Convert PAL video to NTSC
3. Resynch audio and subtitles if neccesary
4. Edit IFO's (and BUP's) to match VOB specs
5. Spit out a complete fully recreated NTSC format DVD5?
There has to be a package that can to this - does anybody know of one?
I do really appreciate all of the time and help everyone has dedicated to this thread, but there has to be a better way, unless you are gainfully employed as a 'proffesional videophile' or 'video editing hobbiest' an have an actual interest in this topic.
It's not my intention here to shit on anybody - only to hopefully seek out an answer I've been looking for, for over a year now.
Thank you.
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tort
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13. March 2005 @ 08:32 |
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There is Professional Software to do this, but I do not know the name or where to get it.
The ONLY way I can successfully do it, and if anyone disagrees, it's your opinion, I'm speaking from experience.
I have tried it all, and even FELL for the lies told by others in this thread.
You can use Roxio Easy Media Creator 7, Nero 6, etc., to copy the video/audio to the hard drive. I can find no way to keep the original menus, unless you do a capture of them, then use a menu editing program to set it up and redo it.
I use SONY Vegas to convert PAL to NTSC or vice versa, I have found NOTHING BETTER.
To those who may want to argue: I BOUGHT CANOPUS Hardware and Software, and I can say this, converting PAL to NTSC amd NTSC to PAL using Canopus Procoder 2.x PUTS the audio/video out of sync.
Sony Vegas 5 works flawlessly at the conversion.
I then load the video into either Pinnacle Studio 9.3 Plus to create the menus, etc., or Sony DVD Architect 2.0, if I need multiple audio and subtitle tracks.
You can change the Menu Background in DVD Architect, but I haven't found a way to lift the Buttons off the Menus on the DVDs and edit them to point to the new chapters, audio tracks, submenus, etc..
If SONY Vegas would allow the importing of VOB and IFO files, it would be the way to go, but now, you have to RIP them using another program to do it.
Canopus Procoder 2.x does a good job of importing the video, however, if it isn't set just right the resulting DV AVI is useless for editing.
Unless you're willing to buy the Professional Equipment with the Professional Conversion Software/Hardware, or whatever that does it, this is the best way to do it.
If you do a search in the search engines, you will find places that will do this, convert the entire DVD to NTSC/PAL, etc., and I mean completely. They have not answered my emails on how they do it, but maybe you can find one to tell you how they do it. My guess is they are doing it piece by piece like I do, but they are taking the extra time to edit and redo the menus, etc..
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lugzlebo
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19. April 2005 @ 03:15 |
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Hi, im new to the forum i am in Australia, the standard in PAL over here, i am wanting to send a documentary that i made to USA to enter a film festival, im submitting in in Mini DV format, but i need to convert it from PAL to NTSC, i've done this by exporting the documentary through Adobe Premiere pro as a movie file (.avi) but just chose NTSC 29.97fps in the drop down menu....is this wrong??? should my documentary playback fine in USA??
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bravo9007
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7. May 2005 @ 02:04 |
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The demux/mux, 2:3 pulldown, audio stretch, all that I get. It's pretty straightforward. The hardest part is maintaining the menus and chapter points.. right now I pretty much have to do them by hand. Does anyone know if there's an easier way to migrate PAL menus and chapter points over to NTSC (or vice versa)?
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18. May 2005 @ 03:04 |
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Quote:
Try entering "pal to ntsc" in the search function. This question had been answered many, many times.
That is the most arrogant non-response I've seen. A more accurate response would have been "This question has been asked many, many times, but I don't know the answer."
After running the search, I found a number of threads containing that string, but none of them resolved the issue. They all raised more questions than they answered.
My search will continue until I find a meaningful answer.
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tort
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18. May 2005 @ 07:45 |
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Okay, after reading and reading, I finally got Nero Recode to actually work, I guess the new version fixed all those bugs. BUT, I can't find an option to recode the PAL/NTSC DVD into the other format.
Is there a way to Recode PAL into NTSC and vice-versa?
So far, Nero Recode is the only thing I have found that says it will recode the menus, audio, subtitles, etc., of the entire DVD.
Is it possible to do this, or does it just allow you to recode to a new region?
All my newer DVD players automatically conver PAL to NTSC, so is it safe to just recode the DVD to Region 1, from Region 2, 3, 4, etc.?
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18. May 2005 @ 07:49 |
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The best answer is to not convert PAL to NTSC (or the other way around).
I'll throw another method into the pot here, and you can all bash the hell out of it as well ;)
Take the PAL video, load into TMPGEnc.
Select the NTSC template, then on the settings tab, change the framerate back to 25fps PAL. Encode to elementary streams.
This generates an NTSC aspect (720x480) video at 25fps.
Good for nothing really, but it will play on the computer, AND it will probably play in most standalones.
For compliance, we need the header of the mpg to be NTSC as well, thus fooling the player slightly.
Get DGPulldown. Load the m2v you just made in TMPGEnc. Select the 25 -> 29.97 button, and convert it.
Load the mp2 audio and dgpulldown.m2v into your authoring program.
For better compliance, transcode the mp2 into AC3, then author.
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Cheers, Jim
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rick5446
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19. May 2005 @ 15:02 |
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I used AVI2DVD..W/CCE..To convert a movie I had in PAL to NTSC..(The Aviator)..I Know it worked cause my X wife borrowed it & it would not play in her DVD Player,thats when I used Nero Tools to see..WaLa it was PAL..so I converted it..WaLa it Played in Her player no jumping or skipping still nice 5. Surroud sound..Nero Tools said it was NTSC after
I finished..TOOK 6 Hrs 2passes
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MilesAhed
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19. May 2005 @ 16:23 |
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rebootjim, it's funny you mentioned that technique 'cause I was just going to ask about it. I ran across this guide:
http://www.johnisme.com/avi1.shtml
for that very method. :)
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rick5446
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19. May 2005 @ 16:46 |
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it ain't funny it's a forum..that's why we all come here
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tort
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19. May 2005 @ 16:48 |
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Again, this is all basically the same stuff, the easiest way, use Canopus Let's Edit to IMPORT the DVD, use Canopus Procoder to convert to NTSC/PAL, then use Let's Edit to burn it to the new DVD.
But, I believe, as with me, the original quaestion is how to convert EVERYTHING. Menus, separate audio tracks, subtitles, etc., from NTSC to PAL or PAL to NTSC.
Posting how to convert AVI's is fine, but first, unless you use the method I just described, Pinnacle Studio 9.4 now allows importing DVDs as well, to import the MPEG-2, convert it to NTSC/PAL MPEG, then burn it back to DVD, you still have to:
1) Convert the VOB file to AVI
2) Convert the AVI to NTSC/PAL
3) Convert the AVI to MPEG-2
4) Burn it to a DVD.
No menus, no multiple audio tracks, no subtitles, etc..
Nero Recode is the ONLY software I can find that says it does recode the menus, audio and subtitle tracks...
I can't find the option of recoding the entire movie with all extras to another format. I can recode from Dual Layer to Single Layer, and I assume region since it is doing the entire DVD, but there is, that I can see, an option to recode to PAL or NTSC.
As long as all NEW DVD players will auto-convert PAL to NTSC, Nero recode seems to be the ONLY way to atcually keep all the menus, extras, etc., just recode them to a new region, depending on the region setting of your recorder.
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19. May 2005 @ 17:04 |
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I have found an answere to this. I have tried everything for the past month for this problem. All the software mentioned in this thread was tried. I was not ever satisfied with the results. Jerky Playback, Digital ripping, block artifacts and screwed up aspect ration on 16:9 are just some of the things I was unable to fully rid of. There is a program out there called SVCD2DVD. Even using this program did not make me fully happy until I tried its V2 RC9 release. The RC9 version added ability to convert PAL to NTSC and NTSC to PAL. This feature was not available in Version 2 RC8 or older. RC9 was just relesed last month.
So I paid the $20 US price for the full version of SVCD2DVD V.2 RC9 and I am impressed and finaly satisfied. When I get the files, Even XVID, onto DVD it looks like the network made the disk. Some of my XVID where PAL but now NTSC on DVD. No block, Nice playback, No digital ripping, audio in sync and best of all aspect ratio is correct in 16:9. The program does some of the steps mentioned before in this thread. It takes the PAL down to 23 fps then it Demuxes. After that it converts PAL to NTSC or other way arround. Then it applies pulldown. Finally it puts the audio back with the video. Leaving you with a nice .VOB set. I use DVD lab to make the menues. Although SVCD2DVD has a very basic menu thing in it.
Now, the way of using 3 to 4 different programs to do all that would take me almost 4 hours to finish with near ok results. On the same file run through SVCD2DVD in 2 pass it only takes 1.5 hour to complete. Not to mention only changing 3 settings before hitting start. There are talks about this program in this fourum. Many say they do not like it but they are not talking about RC9. I agree with what the others have said about it in previous versons of this program. There is a difference of night and day between V2 RC8 and V2 RC9. Its free to try. The demo will only author 2Gig but gives same results of full. Since I am in NTSC land I have not tried conversions from NTSC to PAL. But there is an option there for it, Even in the demo.
What the heck??? I just looked up and noticed the Preview. Is that new or was my computer settings messed up? I like it.
-Del
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Nyquest
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28. May 2005 @ 06:25 |
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Rebootjim has just solved this problem
You are all wasting a lot of time using the slowdown method.
I have tried everything on this board. NOTHING works better than his method. Simply change the size of your Mpeg and use Dopulldown to fool the DVD player NO AUDIO resync time streching involved.
I have tried the new streams converted this way in Sonic Scenarist with no problems. We were about to go back to Alchemist Phc to get PAL TO NTSC this method has saved me £10000.00. I have 32 NTSC conversion for a client which have to be re authored PROFESSIONALLY in Sonic Scenarist all are live concerts where audio sync must be spot on.
Sonic reports no problems and I have authored and tested using 3 different DVD players set to NTSC with an NTSC Monitor all worked.
I am based in the U.K my client is a large American distributer nothing can go wrong and time tight so thanks again Rebootjim
you have saved my life.
Cheers,
Dave.
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Minion
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28. May 2005 @ 12:43 |
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Nyquest: You have to realize that RebootJim"s Method will Not work on all DVD Players and if doing this for someone as a Buisiness you would want to allways create Files that are 100% DVD Compliant as these Files wouldn"t be.....
Pluss the other Methods are Just as simple or even Simpler than this One if you know what you are doing.....
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30. May 2005 @ 09:40 |
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I never said it was 100% compliant, but...from extensive testing on my part (8 hours at the local DVD player stores), and testing in 67 different machines, from Nexxtech to Sony, and everything in between, it played on every single one with no problems.
So, from my experience (and others that have posted after trying it), the process IS 100% compliant...however, I would venture to say, there is always going to be one machine out there somewhere, that won't play it.
For arguments sake, they're 99% compliant :)
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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Nyquest
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31. May 2005 @ 05:54 |
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Many thanks to both of you for your concerns and help.
I am still going with this method because my projects are in 2.0 & 5.1 stretching audio is too much of a pain and I can still see jittering with the slow down. I have to deliver the first 4 by the end of June so I will keep you informed of any nasty suprises I may encounter.
Just one question why would the slow down method make compliant streams and the non slow down not?
They both use pulldown to fool the player don't they?
Scenarist will not let you import non compliant streams when authoring but had no problems recognising the files as NTSC. Surely this means the streams are compliant?
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Thanks for your input.
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31. May 2005 @ 08:08 |
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It only means that Scenearist thinks the streams are compliant.
I have no idea how Scenearist determines this. It may be only reading the header and aspect of the file.
DVDLab Pro also accepts them as compliant.
Doesn't matter which method you use, both outputs seem to be compliant.
The single largest issue with framerate conversion, is audio sync.
DGPulldown has no such problems.
Black holes are where God divided by zero...
Cheers, Jim
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