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Minion
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21. June 2004 @ 17:38 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Well the "Encode Mode" setting would be set to what your Source AVI file is, If your Source File is Progressive then you would set it to "Non-Interlace" and if it is interlaced then you set it to "Interlaced" You generally do not have to touch those settings at all Cuz TMPGEnc will have them set to the Correct setting for your Source File 95% of the Time...The "YUV" format setting MUST allways be set to 4:2:0..The "Motion Search Precition" should be set to either "Normal" or "High Quality" and never choose "Highest Quality" because it doesn"t really produce any better quality as "High Quality" does accept it makes the encodeing Take Twice as Long...
The "Rate Controll Mode" setting is for Chooseing what type of encodeing you want to do...If you choose "Constant Bit Rate(CBR)" then the bitrate will stay the Same through the whole File, This is the Least efficient Encodeing Method...The "Constant Quality(CQ)" method is Probably the Best Method ,With it you just select the Max and Min bitrate and use the Quality slider to increase the Quality, If you are Encodeing to DVD then setting the Minimum bitrate to 2500kbs and the Max bitrate to 7000kbs and the Quality slider up to 75% will Produce a Very good Quality file while Keeping the File size as Low as Possible...The only Drawback to use this Type of encodeing method is that it is allmost impossible to estimate the Size of the Encoded Mpeg file...
The "Manual VBR" and "Automatic VBR" are just variations of the Constant Quality Mode...The 2 Pass Mode is considered to be the Best quality Encodeing Method but in reality with most source Files Constant Quality will Produce just as Good of Quality..In 2 Pass Mode the encoder scans the Whole file in the First Pass and then it encodeing the File in Pass 2 useing the Information it collected in the First Pass to distribute the bitrate, this Method takes Twice as Long to encode as the Other Methods.....

Well I hope this Helps a Bit....Cheers

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22. June 2004 @ 14:50 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Wow. It finally worked, almost. The picture and sound are excellent but the sound is off by about 2 seconds which is pretty annoying.

Any idea why this happened or what I can do to fix it ? I used the setting Minion suggested in the previous post.

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22. June 2004 @ 16:47 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
When you have out-of-sync audio, it can not be corrected by your transcode software. You need a hardware device that "locks" the sound to the audio. When I convert VHS tapes to DVD, I use the Canopus ADVC-100 Digital Video Converter. I connect the output of my VHS player to the ADVC-100 and run a Firewire (1394) cable from the ADVC-100 to my computer. I use Pinnacle Studio 9 to capture the digital data on my computer hard drive.

I have just finished converting "Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo", and ended up with a 33 GB AVI file. When I read this file with Windows Media Player, I have perfect audio to video sync from the beginning of the file to the end.
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22. June 2004 @ 17:07 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Is the Audio out of Sync by 2 seconds from beginning to end??? Or does it start out in sync but gradually goes out of Sync as the Movie Progresses and at the end of the Movie it is out by 2 seconds???

If the Audio is out of Sync the same ammount from beginning to end you can try fixing it by useing the Multiplexor in "Mpeg2VCR" it has a Feature were you can advance the audio or the Video so you can try to sync it up, It takes some trial and error but it usually works But only if the File is the same ammount out of Sync for the Whole File....

If the File is In sync at the Beginning but out of Sync at the end then this is because the audio and Video files are different Lengths and the audio and ending before or after the Video is...To fix this you must De-Mux the Mpeg file and then find out the :Exact" length of the Video file and write it down...
Now you use a program Like "Goldwave" which is an Audio editor which has a Feature called "Time Warp" which can shrink of stretch the audio file to a Different Length, So you just load the audio file into Goldwave and go to the "time Warp" feature and then you Put in the New length which is the Length of the Video which you wrote down and then it will change the length of the File to the new Length..
Now you render the Audio file and encode it to the Correct format and then Multiplex it back with the Video file and they should be back in sync...

I know it might sound a Bit confuseing but it does work and it isn"t really that hard....cheers

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Succorso
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23. June 2004 @ 04:30 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Minion I will give that a try. After watching the entire 2 hours video I noticed that it starts out off by 2 seconds but gets better toward the end. Very weird.

I'm going to try another video and see if it happens on that one as well.

Thanks for all the help. I wouldn't have been able to get this far without the help of you and this forum.

Succorso
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29. June 2004 @ 07:28 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
confusion reigns. All I want to do is put my old tapes of the kids growing up onto DVD so I don't end up losing all the memories. I just don't seem to ab able to find out the basic requirements.

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29. June 2004 @ 08:03 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I think I finally figured this stuff out. It's been a long haul and it's incredibly confusing and a real pain in the butt. Here is what I have done to get my home movies from the non digital video camera to a dvd.

Buy a capture card/tv card. I bought the Leadtek Winfast Extreme (about $50 on the net).

Then you need to spend the next 5 lifetimes studying this thread, the other forums, the net and god.

Here is what I did:

1. Ulead DVD studio - to capture movie from camera to a .AVI file format

2. Tmpg - you will also need to find something called the Huffy codec and install it. To convert the .AVI file to a giant (50 gig for 2 hours) mpeg 2 file.

3. TMPGEnc - To convert the mpeg2 file to a dvd style format in the video_ts directory with the VOB yada yada yada . I also think this needed another codec to read the mpeg2 file but I forget at this moment.

4. Roxio DVD burner - To actually burn the dvd.

About 10 hours from start to finish for a 2 hour video and a case of beer to keep me from throwing everything out the window.

Does this sound about right to all of you experienced folk ?

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VideoBob
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29. June 2004 @ 08:32 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Succorso:

That seem like an awful lot of work.

I input from tape, edit, and burn my DVDs all in Ulead VideoStudio 7. If I need more compression than that allows, I load Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3, which allows me to get 4 movies on one DVD, with menus.

Load time: Running time of movie(s)
Edit and Title Time(Commercial Tapes): <1hr
Edit and Title Time(TV and Home Video): 1-4 hrs

Burn time: About twice as long as Runtime.

*MY* Time: ~15 Minutes + Edit Time

Output Quality? Excellent!

bob

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Succorso
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29. June 2004 @ 08:43 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Bog,

Is that from a NON-digital camera ?

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w3tno
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29. June 2004 @ 08:48 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Succorso, this is the procedure I use.
Instead of a video capture card, I use the Canopus ADVC100 to convert the analog output from the VCR to digitized form. Although there is a cheaper version of the ADVC100, this particular box can also be used to convert digital to analog in case you ever want to create an analog tape from a digital file on your computer.
The ADVC100 is connected to the Firewire (1394) port on my computer, and Pinnacle Studio 9 is used to capture the digital signal and store it as a very large AVI file (about 32 GB for a 2-hour tape).

Process the AVI file with TMPGEnc 3.0 XPRess with Dolby AC-3 plugin and using VBR (variable bitrate) encoding and AC-3 audio format. On my 2.6 GHz dual Xeon it can take up to 8 hours to produce the mpg file. (With one processor it will take longer.)
Use TMPGEnc DVD Author to produce the DVD image directory and burn the DVD.
Minion
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29. June 2004 @ 12:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
You could also just use a different Mpeg encoder that is faster than TMPGEnc...On my P-4 2.53ghz CPU It only takes me a little over an hour to encode a 2 hour movie useing CCE SP 2.67 with better quality than TMPGEnc and with the MainConcept encoder I can encode a 2 hour movie in about 2 hours....

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mdl3r1
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29. June 2004 @ 15:27 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hey Minion,
I just hit the link to CCE, and the trial version says:
This is the trial version. It is limited in the following ways:
1. A logo will be inserted in the encoded stream.
2. Encoder control list cannot be saved or loaded.
3. Framewise setting is not available for Quality setting.

How bir or obstructive is that logo? and is framewise setting, (not available), the way one sets quality, bit rates, etc; in other words, is what's not available ok, or is that the essential settings we need for compresing/getting up to 4 hrs on DVD, like others just said?
Thanks
Now that I have received the ACEDVio card and am capturing video .AVI, and starting to edit, i am now looking ahead indeed to encoding to MPEG2, then creatingthe VOB files, and then burning it/authoring. :-)
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29. June 2004 @ 18:04 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
I said:
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That seem like an awful lot of work.

I input from tape, edit, and burn my DVDs all in Ulead VideoStudio 7. If I need more compression than that allows, I load Ulead DVD MovieFactory 3, which allows me to get 4 movies on one DVD, with menus.

Succorso Asked:
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Is that from a NON-digital camera ?

I forgot to answer: ;)

I am using my Sony digital camcorder as a conversion device--but any input digitizer will work. I plug the NTSC (or S-video) output from one of my cheapie VCRs into the A/V input of my Camcorder--which plugs into my computers firewire port--and control the recording from VideoStudio 7.

If I know what compression I want for output, I input at that same compression, saving *scads* of rendering time. I output to *.iso files, so I can burn multiple DVDs on another computer if I want. I burn my first copy onto a DVD+RW, and if that tests out fine, I make copies on the cheapest +/-R media I can find--usually about 35-cents a pop.

Just to optimize speed, I have dual 160 GB external drives--one USB 2.0 for saving input video and output files (because my camera is firewire) and a firewire one for projects, editing, and scratchpad. I still use an internal E:\ drive for temp files (just upgraded from 40 to 200 Gb).

I inuitively figured that if all of my data streams were using completely separate databusses, it would help the throughput--and it seems to.

bob

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Succorso
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30. June 2004 @ 03:46 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Videobob,

You have it easy. My old camcorder does not even have svideo out. Just RCA jacks and my new digital camcorder doesn't have rca jacks.

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pinkish
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30. June 2004 @ 16:59 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
MINION,
Thank you for your advice. I bought the ADVC-100 and i captured superbe DV-avi's from VHS. I would like to ask you something, maybe you can help me again:

- what is the best dv-avi to mpeg2 converter? i have tried a lot of software (procoder, cce, mainconcept, heuris) but i'm not an expert so maybe i got the settings wrong. If you tell me, from your experience, what software is the best, i will search for guides for it.

I have to mention i am NOT interested in VBR, only CBR, because i want the MAXIMUM QUALITY possible. And i want the final MPEG2 to be interlaced (for quality, i don't want to drop fields).

THANX!

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Minion
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30. June 2004 @ 19:14 _ Link to this message    Send private message to this user   
Hi, If you want the Maximum quality possible then you must use VBR, CBR doesn"t Produce the Best Quality and it is extremely wastefull with bitrate, VBR is the Best Encodeing method, especially Multi-Pass VBR..

As for encoders the One I use Most is CCE SP 2.67 as it is the fastest and the Best quality software encoder there is but it is difficult to use properly because it has no usefull filters so you generally have to Frameserve useing AVISynth or Virtual-Dub...

I have been helping someone who tought how to use AVISynth and he has an ADVC-50 and when useing AVISynth with a couple Noise Filters and a Bob de-interlace filter when frameserveing to CCE and he is getting very Nice quality Encodes....
There are certain filters that should be used and certain Setting that need to be set in CCE when encodeing depending on the Type of Source file you have so you get the Best results.....
I also gotten good results useing Canopus Procoder 1.5 to encode to Mpeg2 useing DV AVI source files, Maybe try a few of the Filters in Procoder to see if they help with the Quality and use a One or Two Pass VBR with the Minimum bitrate at about 3000kbs and the Average at 5000kbs and the Max at 8000kbs, that will get you close to 2 hours on a DVD if you use Mpeg1 layer 2 audio or AC3 audio.....

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pinkish
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Minion,
I have a different opionion, but i am newbie so i'll tell you what i think and you tell me where i'm wrong.

- i think CBR is better than VBR, although it takes up more space. CBR encodes the whole video at 9800 kbps (my settings) and VBR encodes some parts at 2000 and some at 6000 and some at 9800 (considering these are my settings). so the scenes that are encoded at 2000 kbps with VBR get encoded at 9800 with CBR. why isn't that better quality?

- still wanting quality, i ask: why deinterlace? why drop a field? i want to encode both fields and have an interlaced mpeg that i will convert to DVD and play on my standalone+TV so i think that's the best quality possible.

tell me if i'm wrong, please.
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i posted the message twice, so i deleted the double :)

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Minion
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It isn"t the Ammount of bitrate you use it is how efficeiently the bitrate is being used,It is a waste to encode CBR because if it only takes 5000kbs to encode the Frame per second why waste 3000kbs with no differance in Quality you are just basicly adding 3000kbs in wasted bits, and if a Frame actually does need 8000kbs to encode it then the encoder will use 8000kbs that is why there is a Max and Min and an average.....Pluss with Multi-Pass the Quality gets better for each pass because the Video gets analized for Complexity in the First Pass which increases the Quality for subsequant Passes and only the bitrate that is needed is used so there is no waste....Most All DVD"s that you rent at the Store are encoded useing VBR.....
Generally I do not recomend deinterlaceing But on some Non-Pregresive scan DVD Players you can get interlace artifacts especially with some analogue Captures when the Field order can change on you..And not all Deinterlacers Remove one Field, Some Blend both fields together and some only Blend were there are artifacts like some adaptive deinterlacers.....

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Succorso:
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You have it easy. My old camcorder does not even have svideo out. Just RCA jacks and my new digital camcorder doesn't have rca jacks.


My Sony doesn't have RCAs either. It has an A/V jack (3.5 mm, I think) that uses a cable to expand it to three RCAs. My camera can use the same port for input or output. This was a requirement in my product selection, as were headphone and microphone jacks, firewire I/O, high optical zoom, and a shoe where I could mount a shotgun mike or a wireless mike receiver. I simply wouldn't have bought a camcorder without them.

Does your new camcorder have any analog inputs? S-video I/O can be converted to RCA videoI/O (no sound) with a simple cable, and a microphone jack can be used for audio in.

bob

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I have been researching so much that I haven't seen the light of day for 3 weeks now. I have been trying to get 6 hours (possibly 8) of a VHS tape onto ONE DVD. Im almost positive that it is possible.

Computer Specs.
eMachines 1.10 GHz Intel Celeron (fully updated)
384 MB of RAM
XP Home Edition
USB 1.0
250 (actually 233) GB spare drive

Software/Hardware Specs
Adaptec VideoOh! DVD Media Center (capture device)
Sony DVD-RW DRU-700a
Unlead DVD Movie Factory (demo)
Sonic MyDVD
AcrSoft ShowBiz

If I have left out any details let me know.

I can capture with no problem and I can even get the capture saved on my HD which is about 15 GB for a 6 hour VHS tape, but when I try to transcode (make a dvd folder with menus and chapters) the video, it took about 16 hours to finish and the Sonic software failed at the last second. So I can pretty much do everything but burn my *6 hour VHS tape* onto a DVD+R.

Am I losing my mind or is it first possible, and if it is, how can I get this project done, and if it is not possible then I am seriously obsessed with this. The main reason I bought all of this was too get my home movies onto dvds, and I don?t mean only 2 hours of a VHS like most people. I am not at all concerned on how much time its gonna take (16 hours, please!) and I am not to worried about my quality as long as its not completely distorted or so messed up that I cannot even watch the DVD. Also, I was wondering if there are other programs (free or not) that actually work. Unlead - got too many errors, and Sonic - got and error that said it couldn't finish transcoding because there was a 9 GB limit that I passed by about 6 GB.

So, can anyone please help me?!?!? Its a good thing I don?t have hair :(

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To get 6 hours of Video on a DVD you have to use the SIF DVD Format which is Mpeg 1 or mpeg2 at 352+240 NTSC or 352+288 PAL and useing a Video bitrate of 1500KBS and a mpeg 1 layer 2 or Dolby AC3 audio bitrate of 192kbs at 48000hz you can get 6 hours on a Single 4.38gb DVD..But if you are Captureing files to put on DVD i suggest you capture at the Highest resolution and bitrate possible and then re-encode the captured file useing a High Quality encoder to Mpeg2 at 352+240 at 1500kbs ECT ,as opposed to captureing to 352+240 because Mpeg capture programs are not very efficient encoders so you will get better quality doing it this way.....Cheers

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Couple of dumb questions.
How do I re-encode, esp. with a High quality re-encoder? Can I do this with any of the programs I listed? Thanks for your help.
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You can use TMPGEnc to encode as there is a free 30 day demo for mpeg2 encodeing available...
You basicly Capture useing the Highest resolution and bitrate that your Capture software will allow and then Load the captured file into TMPGEnc and go to "settings" and set the Resolution to 352+240 and set the bitrate to 1500kbs and then click the "Audio" settings and change the audio format to "Mpeg 1 layer 2" and set the bitrate to 192kbs and set the sample frequency to "48000hz" and then close the settings and Click "Start" and in a while you will have a Mpeg file that you can author to DVD and up to 6 hours of Video in this Format...It isn"t the very best quality but it is watchable.....Cheers

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Well I did what you told me to do, but now I have only an hour of video to burn because the rest of it was dropped?? It was compressed down to about 8 GB, but missing about 5 hours of video, any suggestions?
 
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