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Minion
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burning2: What I would recomend is if you only have a few Tapes that you want to transfer to DVD is to go out and get a Standalone DVD Recorder and use it for a couple Days and transfer all the Tapes you have and then take the DVD Recorder back to the store for a Refund , That way you get all of your Video Material Transfered to DVD and it really doesn"t cost you anything accept a few Blank DVD-R"s....And if you wanted to edit the footage and add menu"s and Chapters you can just transfer the Material to your Laptop and edit it and re-author it to DVD......
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Billjr
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13. May 2004 @ 13:48 |
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While I don't doubt your ability and knowledge
on video transfers and DVDs and such Minion, I don't see why you rave about Canopus so often. Even the process you describe.... "capture to AVI then convert to MPEG2 using Canopus" is a waste. The quality issues
you speak of are minute! It is much easier to capture VHS tapes to MPEG2. I'm using Winfast PVR which came with my Winfast TV 2000 XP capture card, to capture
VHS. Then I use Cyberlink's Power Director to do the editing and burning. The Canopus converts to a video and an audio [wav] files seperately. But it does not
recognize WAV files. Why this is who knows? Maybe you.
You have to stitch the two files together during the
convert process. Then if you edit the video the audio stays the same length and causes sync problems. I'm no
expert at all, but my way seems much easier. No editing
WAV and video files. No B.S. and no astronomical price.
Keep the good info coming. Your ideas are very good and I enjoy and am helped by your thoughts. Bye.
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13. May 2004 @ 21:08 |
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Hi all, - as usual, question for Minion:
Surely you've heard of this little device; the KWorld Xpert DVD Maker. It sounds too good to be true, or too basic to be any good quality transfer of VHS to DVD. It boasts it can direct encode to DVD...what are they leaving out of their ad..the truth?
http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProductDesc.asp?description=15-100-112&depa=0
Also, thnaks for your previous answers to me on 12 May at 16:47; I have a couple more specific ones, but am too tired and its late work ealry tomorrow.
Thanks!
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14. May 2004 @ 09:42 |
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Thanks for your time Minion! I'm surprised I never thought I doing that...knowing my personality that is :) I will definitely have to do just that.
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Minion
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Billjr: You odviously don"t own a Canopus Device cuz if you did you would know that the Quality differances between Captureing with one of these devices and encodeing to Mpeg2 useing a High Quality encoder Is FAR superior than Captureing directly to Mpeg2 useing Real time software compression with a $50 TV Card...It"s Like the Differance between VHS and DVD or the Differance between a Honda and a Porche...One you go High Quality you will never go back.....
And no Canopus Doesn"t capture to seperate audio and Video files it captures to a High Quality DV AVI format and all of there devices have a Patended Audio Lock process that locks the audio and Video in the DV stream so there is no chance of Sync problems pluss it inbeds the time code into the audio and Video stream to make sure it never goes out of Sync on playback....
Captureing directly to Mpeg2 useing a software Capture program is extremely Lossy that is why you have to use such a High Capture bitrate to achieve good Quality so you end up with a Good Looking Mpeg2 file but you can only fit about 60-90 minutes on a DVD, Useing the other method you can fit twice that with Higher Quality because in the First Place the Analoge Digital conversion is Not very Lossy and a High Quality standalone encoder when configured properly is twice as efficent with bitrate than the best mpeg2 capture program Capture program is which means you can get the same quality useing half the bitrate...Pluss Mpeg isn"t a Good format to capture to if you want to do any editing or add effects and Titles because the Video has to be re-encoded when adding effects which again lowers the quality...But that all said you can use a Canopus Device to capture to Mpeg2 in real time the same way you do with a TV Card..I don"t think spending $200 on a Professinal quality device is that Much considering a compareable device made my Matrox or Pinnacle would cost 3 times that much....
For most poeple though a TV card with a 10bit decoder is perfect for Captureing Video and for poeple who aren"t looking for a Broadcast quality VHS to PC transfers I recomend getting a Simple TV card because the good ones do produce exceptional quality and I have made many posts recomending TV cards to poeple on a Budget but I NEVER recomend USB Devices....
mdl3r1: I have looked tat that device before and it is Not a Hardware encoder it uses software that comes with the Card to compress the signal to Mpeg1/2 ,I would not recomend you get it, as you will notice most of the reviews there were written by the same person...I would allways recomend PCI over USB because PCI has a Much larger Bandwidth to transfer Video signals....My first Capture device about 4 years ago was a USB Device made by Hauppaggue and It was total Crap and since then I have tried Many others and was never satisfied with the results so if you can get a PCI TV Card over a USB one and you can get a Good PCI TV Card for about the same price as that USB device some even cheaper if you Look arround....Cheers Folks
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14. May 2004 @ 13:08 |
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Does anyone have any suggestions about how to correct the color saturation and color balance of some of the videos that I've converted from VHS to DVD?
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Billjr
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14. May 2004 @ 15:01 |
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Minion,
You are absolutely right. I don't have a Canopus device. Only the Canopus software installed on my PC.
It cost so damn much I did'nt dream of buying a whole device. The software was $500. Also, I said the Canopus
"converted" to two files. Not captured. Any ideas where
I can purchase the Canopus device. If not, please give
me the actual name and model of the $200 unit you mentioned. I'll try to find it. Thanks.
Later.
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mdl3r1
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14. May 2004 @ 19:45 |
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Ok,I think I'm beginning to get a the "big picture" in very basic terms. Minion, thanks for your answers;
1)I agree; the way to go is to not get USB: the bandwidth is too low/not to be compared with PCI device. Next level, as for a TV Card vs. a better video capture card, we'll definitely need a Canopus-type: I like the fact it locks in the audio and video together to eliminate the sync issues of taking analog to digital format, into AVI instead of MPEG, for better quality in editing and final product. :-)
So, let me ask you a little more specific now:
2) Considering we need to edit my wife's DVD shows, and talk is the producer may send us future footage via Cable/Broadband/satellite cable (or something like that), which Canopus Video capture device (ADVC-100 or ACEDVio-best "Buy it now" price is 225+shpng; bidding can be a hassle/disappointing sometimes) would you think will let us do best what we'll need: receive such input as well as analog from VCR & VHS Camcorder(not DV cam)?
Also, how do we get input to PC from DVD she gets; play on DVD burner and rip directly off?
You said before, to edit off her DVD's, I understand basically what you mean, about demuxing the VOB files (off the DVD she has, right?)
down into audio and video.
3)So, For editing the audio stream, I'll need to take the Dolby AC3 and decode to wav format, bc Premier does not handle Dolby AC3. But then, you say the problem is to encode wav back to AC3..few and expensive encoders you said...so is the alternative you suggested, using MPEG1 Layer 2 Audio, semi-equivalent/good enough to mux it back up with the edited MPEG2 video stream to create the edited VOB files, to then author the editd DVD show?
4)Videowise, you said to use the MPEG2 video stream to edit; do I not need to decode to AVI, then back to MPEG2? I guess if we have quality MPEG2 video footage already, we can use in that format "as is"?
Thanks again in advance; the process is coming together... :-)
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15. May 2004 @ 13:21 |
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mdl3r1: Hi, It sounds like you have a Big project comeing up?? As for what Device you get depends on the features you want and if you need to have an Internal device or an external device...
The ADVC-100 and the ACEDVio use the same DV Compression Chip and Audio Lock Features so they will both Produce the same Sort of Quality accept the ADVC-100 plugs into a firewire Port on your PC and the ACEDVio Plugs into a PCI Port on your PC..They both have DV Firewire and Analogue S-Video and Composite Inputs ,They Both also have an Analoge Output so you can Plug an external TV Monitor into it so you can Preview your Video Material on an interlaced TV as opposed to a Progressive PC monitor....
If you have a PC as opposed to a Laptop and will not be useing the device on more than one PC then the ACEDVio might be better and you do not need a seperate Firewire Port to use it.....
As for how you get video off of a DVD to your PC you Just Rip the Video to your Hard drive and you can use a Mpeg/Vob editor to cut out the parts you want to use in your project....
It seems that you have understood Pretty much everything I treid to explin in my posts, Like you are right about haveing to decode the Audio in the VOB files to wav format for editing in Premier and you do not have to Convert the Video to AVI because Premier will accept Mpeg2 Video files and let you edit them as if they were AVI files....
As for the audio when you render your Project, There are different 4 audio formats that can be used as the audio on a DVD, they are Wav(LPCM), Mpeg1 Layer 2 ,Dolby AC3, and DTS...You don"t want to use Wav because it is an uncompressed audio format so it will take up huge amounts of space on the DVD ,AC3 or DTS are the Best but there aren"t many Programs that support that format yet, so you are Left with Mpeg1 Layer 2 which is about as good as MP3 audio so it isn"t bad....
I do all my editing in Vegas Video which has a Dolby AC3 encoder so it comes in handy plus it has a very good quality Mpeg2 encoder....
You are also going to need a DVD authoring Program if you don"t allready have one.....
PS: There are also other More expensive Models like the Canopus ADVC-300 and the ADVC-500 which incluse features Like Digital Noise Filter and Image stabilization and Time baced Correctors which greatly improove the Quality when captureing from Old degraded footage....
Well if you have any more quastions I"ll be more than happy to help out if I can.....Cheers
drwatson: You should be able to Adjust the Brightness,Contrast,Saturation ect in your Capture program, and if you capture to AVI you can adjust these settings in the encoder when you are encodeing the AVI files to Mpeg2....
Billjr: I have seen the "Canopus ACEDVio" on E-Bay for as Low as $169 and I have seen the "Canopus ADVC-100" for as low as $225 on e-bay, There are other Models like the ADVC-50 and ADVC-55 that are Cheaper and do the same thing accept they have a few less features but should produce simular Quality... Cheers
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15. May 2004 @ 14:14 |
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Minion,
I saw the Canopus ADVC-100 for $225 on NewEgg.com.
No bidding hassles there. Thanks.
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15. May 2004 @ 17:09 |
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Minion: I'm capturing with an ADVC-100 and encoding its output with the Main Concept MPEG encoder. I cannot find any way to adjust the color, etc. in the encoder instructions or setup. Did you have another encoder/capture program in mind for that will allow these adjustments?
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Minion
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15. May 2004 @ 18:29 |
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With the ADVC-100 there should be Color controll settings in the ADVC-100 device settings(I know the Canopus ACEDVio Does)..If not you can adjust the color when you are editing..
If you aren"t doing any editing you can use TMPGEnc to encode which has Many color comtroll and Other Setting for adjusting the Video"s Properties but it is a Much slower encoder than MainConcept..
If you know how to frameserve useing Virtual-Dub you can also use it for Color controll, there are many ways to go about it...Cheers
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Minion: I can't find any color controls in the ADVC-100 device settings (and I've searched hard).
I'm using the Womble MPEG-VCR Editor to trim the ends and to cut out commercials. It also doesn't have any color editing features. Can you recommend a suitable MPEG editor for adjusting color saturation and balance?
Thanks for all the useful advice that you've contributed to this thread. It's really appreciated by those of us new to the game!
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16. May 2004 @ 00:34 |
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Sorry if this has been answered in the thread, but I don't fancy reading every post ;)
My question is about video bit rates.
I have a dvdxpress usb capture device which works effing marvelously for capturing...(i really can't recomend this enough) I have a fairly old analog VCR hooked up and I'm transferring tapes to the PC. My question is, my software enables me to capture at up to 15mb...it recomends no higher than 8mb, but doesnt explain why. I am getting good results with the settings at 4mb...would it make zero difference to the picture quality of the mpeg if I set it higher? to say 6mb or even 8mb? I'm thinking it can only give as good as what is put into it and VHS is pretty low quality anyway. Should I stick to 4mb? I am not bothered by the size of the file since I am not transferring 90 minute movies...the stuff is under 60 mins and should fit on a DVD-R at high bitrates...i'm only intrested in learning about the benefits of bit rates over 4mb.
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Minion
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16. May 2004 @ 12:34 |
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drwatson: If you are useing the ADVC-100 then you are captureing to DV AVI so you should be editing with an AVI editor Not a Mpeg editor because it is better to edit when the files are in AVI format than when in Mpeg format because once the Files are in Mpeg format you can not do anything like Change the Color or any of the Video properties without Re-encodeing the Files which ruins the Quality..You should be captureing the DV AVI files and then Editing them and adding any effects or Transitions and adjusting the Color and then Encodeing the Files to Mpeg...
Programs like Adobe premier or Vegas Video are good for this because thay can capture your DV AVI format files from your ADVC-100 and then you can use it to add effects and transitions and change the Color properties and then use it to render your Files in Mpeg2 format for DVD authoring, Or you can render them as DV AVI files and then use a standalone encoder to encode them to mpeg.....
Since your Files are allready in Mpeg format you can"t do anything unless you re-encode the files with the new color settings which will probably lower the Quality to a Lower quality than they were before you did the Color settings.....
tony_2005 : The reason why they tell you not to capture at above 8mb/Sec is because the DVD standard has a Maximum bitrate of 9.8mb/Sec so any Mpeg files with a bitrate over 9.8mb/Sec will Not be DVD Compliant so you will not be able to use them to make DVD"s......
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17. May 2004 @ 13:47 |
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Hello: 1st time participant
I successfully converted VHS tapes to synched MPEG-2's using DVD Xpress. I've re-checked the MPEGs multiple times for synchronization problems, but can't find any problems whatsoever; they play well on a computer as MPEGs.
However, when I use TPMGeng to convert the synched MPEG files to .vob files for burning a DVD, the resultant DVDs are horribly out of synch.
Each DVD attempt, moreover, has elicited problems to varying degrees: some are synched for a while, then drift mildly out of synch; others are out greatly out of synch from the start.
I've tried tweaking TMPGeng a little (without really knowing what I'm doing), which has resulted in my spinning my wheels, wasting one DVD blank after another.
Any ideas?
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17. May 2004 @ 16:53 |
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Forager,
Get yourself some DVD-RWs to do your trials on. You can erase the goofs. Also try burning with Cyberlink
Power Director. I've had no problems with it. I had sync problems with TempGenc. Switched and all is fine. Later and good luck. Maybe Minion has some input for your problem also.
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Minion
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17. May 2004 @ 20:06 |
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forager: what Might be the Problem is that some Hardware Mpeg encoders will Pad the Mpeg stream with Blank Data when they drop a Frame or add a Frame to keep sync with the audio stream but when you author the files to DVD the Files get re-muxed into VOB files and when this happens the Padding gets removed which in effect removes frames from the Video stream and causes it to Go out of Sync...
This is Common with Cheap hardware encoders and some software capture programs....
The only thing I can think of that might work is to run the Captured file through a Program called "PVAStrumento", It is supposed to fix the headers in the Mpeg stream so that it stays in sync after getting re-muxed, ...You can download it on this site in the Software section...Or here:
http://www.afterdawn.com/software/video_software/video_tools/pvastrumento.cfm
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Need help, have 200g hardrive, ATI AIW9600,and a G of ram, have used Pinnacle Studio 8 and can only capture in AVI, Studio 9 works for 9 minutes then locks up my computer ...tried trial version of Intervideo dvdcreator but that only works for 10 minutes, have e-mailed company to ask if that is how the trial is suppose to work and they have not answered, would like to know before I purchase some more software...cannot find any reason why I can't get things to work, running xp, ntfs format,and have lots of space for things to work but they just don't, help anyone
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Minion
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25. May 2004 @ 11:15 |
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Why don"t you use the Multi-Media Center software that came with your Radeon AIW 9600 Card?? It will capture to any AVI format you have codecs for and it will also capture to Mpeg1/2 or the ATI VCR Format...
I have a card not to Dis-Simular to yours and the MMC software works quite well and after captureing if you need to edit you can import the files into Studio 9...
The software was made to work with your Capture device so you might just have better lucj with it....Cheers
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Don't use the ati setup, it starts but never stops, and it actually shows that I don't have capture driver hardware,even though I have reinstalled it more times than I care to mention...I was just using studio 8 but that only gives me the option to go to AVI, could not find a way to go to mpeg directly and when I use it and get just so far through my vhs tape, almost to the end the entire computer locks up and I wind up with nothing. I tried studio 9 and it only works for 9 minutes, then stops, and intervideo windvd works from the vhs tape right to mpeg but stops at 10 minutes, and still no word from the company if this is normal for a trial version, so I don't know if it will work completely. my plan is to use mpeg and go directly to dvd if its possible...
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25. May 2004 @ 13:37 |
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Well if you want to got directly to Mpeg2 then Try "Intervideo WinDVR 3.0" cuz it is one of the best Mpeg capture Programs and it is Normal to only capture 10 minutes in the Trial version of WinDVD Creator, the Program sucks anyways...Try winDVR 3.0
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minion just wanted to say thanks for all the help you have given here it is great
i want to put in my 2 cents on the ati 8500 as a capture device and that would be to agree with minion it captures in avi or any other format i want.
i just moved it from a older machine to a win xp box with a althon 3200 xp cpu.BUT YOU MUST FOLLOW ATI'S DIRECTIONS STEP BUY STEP OR IT WIL NOT WORK
i got the latest drivers, DAO, and multimedia center 9.0 from ati followed there plan and perfect the only bad to media center 9 is that you dont get dvd playback unless you buy a 10 dollar upgrade cd but i already have power dvd for playback so that is not a problem.
if your install has gone bad you need to search for a free ati driver removal tool on the net and make a fresh start and do it there way not yours
also you need to go in to setup and in the pvr section there is a box for disk space click this and check off the allways record to temporary drive and make c:\the location in one touch record if you dont do this it will save your file as a temp and then try to save it when your capture stops to a capture folder which causes problems on big files because a 80 gig file will be a 160 gig file while it goes from temp to final. if you check the box it will just stream to hd in one shot
tommays
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Don't use the ati setup, it starts but never stops, and it actually shows that I don't have capture driver hardware,even though I have reinstalled it more times than I care to mention...
Well, there is your problem. Until you get the manufacturer's drivers installed *everything* will crash it. Fix this problem first.
Pull out the manual on the card. READ it--not just the installation "quick-card" and follow the procedure STEP-BY-STEP.
Oh, and *READ* any windows that pop up CAREFULLY. 90% of all messed up installations come fro people just clicking OK on message boxes without reading them.
Uninstall your existing drivers and then, using device manager REMOVE *any* (and all) instances of your card in the Hardware Devices area.
Then, reboot and follow the direction in the manual.
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26. May 2004 @ 12:08 |
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Minion, i'd like to ask you- what is the best way to encode huffyuv avi's to mpeg2? i have tried TMPEG, procoder, cce and mainconcept and still, the output is not interlaced. I have interlaced avi's, i want interlaced mpeg2 files. what should i use?
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