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23. March 2005 @ 16:37 |
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No problem, Nero and dvdinfopro have scan disc tests on them so you can check those backups for errors.
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23. March 2005 @ 16:39 |
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Ok...here's what I got!
Manufacturer Name: CMC Magnetics Corp.
Manufacturer ID: CMC MAG. AE1
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23. March 2005 @ 16:40 |
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Those are the ones to be cautious of. I have burned a few teons with that code,but I keep my speed at 2.4x. That's the only media I tried,and had a couple of spots of pixellation on my very reliable sony stand alone player.
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23. March 2005 @ 16:44 |
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Oh! So NOW you tell me!
LOL!
Thanks alot!
;)
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23. March 2005 @ 16:50 |
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Those are the ones some some people have trouble with.
That's usually the first thing to change if you run into problems down the road.There is still a lot more media out there that is even worse.
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23. March 2005 @ 16:54 |
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Yeah...thinking about changing and trying something different, but alittle apprehenive about the whole thing.
Don't want to waste any money with it.
But can I ask why there are so many issues with it? Like in some threads I have posted in, I have never had an issue, this including, it has worked on every dvd player that I have played it on.
And I keep seeing that nobody really likes them except for a few of us.
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23. March 2005 @ 21:20 |
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the only thing they (memorex) were any good for was cassettes. i myself had atrocious problems with quality of various flavours of memorex CDs, and since i started the DVD burning lark have never been and won't go near their DVDs. Too many ppl post about their quality, especially CMC mfg codes. At the end of the day there's so little cost difference it's (for me) been worth listening to the folks on various forums, here and elsewhere about media quality. i Started out dvd burning with bulkpag with were tyg02 code, then i started having skipping problems/reading that they were fakes. Switched to Verbatim datalifeplus (slightly more expensive, but vastly cheaper online than high street shops) and no more probs. Last night i ran a few Nero 'dvdspeed' tests on some bulkpawq & other makes that i have, and guess what , the error peaks were massive on the bulkpaq's, even on discs i had watched without incident.
edit - i forgot to mention that i've used 25packs of Verbs from singapore, taiwan and india, all code out to 'MCC 02RG20'. these are 8x discs burnt at 4x, (with a target limit in Shrink of 4300mb - just out of of paranoia!)
Each to their own, but i'm staying with Verb's unless 1 single disc skips, then i'll go for TY i guess, though i keep seeing more and more posts about them being faked
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23. March 2005 @ 21:29 |
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tlee_20
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24. March 2005 @ 00:35 |
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CMC media = bad. thats the ones i have had problems with lately. not sure what i had at first, but the CMC are the new ones for me. when i first started buying memorex, they had no writing in the core of the disc. now they say "memorex, is it live or is it memorex." not sure if they started writing that when cmc picked em up but i have no problems with the blank core media. btw, if you liked the one that staples carries, why not have them price match??
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rmcrae1
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24. March 2005 @ 03:39 |
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Lucky for me, a good portion of the memorex I hastily bought were Ritek R03. Just to give you an Idea of what
DVDinfo Pro says.
Memorex CMC MAG E01 (uncopyable after 3 months)
-- PI peak-416 Avg-68, PIF peak-416 Avg-13
-- PI Total - 374,166, PIF Total-26,527
Memorex Ritek R03 (still works great after 3 months)
-- PI Peak-416 Avg-55, PIF peak-9 Avg-0
-- PI Total- 703,721, PIF Total - 161
the Ritek R03 is a vastly superior burn. However it is
still no where near the quality of reputable media.
Dynex Ritek R03 (2 months old)
-- PI Peak-128 Avg-73, PIF peak-1 Avg-0
-- PI Total - 921,954, PIF Total - 73
TDK Ricohjpn R01 (2 months old)
-- PI Peak-6 Avg-2, PIF Peak-1, Avg-0
-- PI Total - 15,985, PIF Total - 13
Note all of these were burned at 4x with a lite-on
SOHW 1633s burner with latest firmware. This is not
the greatest quality burner to begin with.
It is blaringly obvious that memorex media does not hold up. the amount of PIF errors CMC has is astounding. Granted I do want to buy some new memorex and do testing every week to see how fast they degrade.
Of what I've tested so far TDK and Maxell have the
least PI/PIF errors. (TY doesn't have the greatest compatability with my burner). Another interesting factoid is that the Staples brand CMC MAG E01 did
very well on PI/PIF error tests. However these are
only about 1 month old and may degrade fast.
If you base your assessment of quality on the total number of PIF Errors on a disc, then definitely stay away from memorex.
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24. March 2005 @ 03:57 |
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Damn...I guess I am the lone supporter in CMC!
Everyone here has REALLY valid points.
It is just weird how everyone rips on Memorex, but I guess if you have had bad experiences with em, why keep using them?
Thankfully *knock on wood* I have never had a bad experience, but it is good to see that there are better alternatives in the way of media.
So for now, I am going to take my Memorex's and go sit in the corner...LOL!
;)
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nohelpme
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24. March 2005 @ 04:46 |
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Personally..... I think its all the dvd player you have. I haved burned memorex...the cmx..the ritek...rioch...ty's...aml/compusa...they all work for me and they all last a long time. I have had some bad disks. But I have a good Philips DVP 642 player that is made to play most things that are out there. If you invest in a good player, that usually does the trick. I had an old Cyberhome 300 and it played nothing. I was blaiming the media. As soon as i switched dvd players, bam.. played everything. No pixeling, tiling all good. I do burn my disks slower then what they are rated and no more then 4x. I also thing if you have a quality burner like a lite on it makes a difference. In the end I follow this formula..
good dvd player rated to play backups(dvd-r, dvd+r) + a good slow burn 4x max+ a good burner (not no name)= a good playing back up
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rmcrae1
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24. March 2005 @ 08:53 |
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From what I've gathered ever DVD player has a "limit" so to say as to what it can accept for errors on a disk. I have several discs that have PIF errors spiking into the 80-100 range that play fine on my JVC player. However, When I take these discs to someone elses house and try to play I get problems in the effected areas. I've determined based on some bad burns I've had that my threshold for PIF errors is around 130 on my JVC. Yet I've seen some DVD players that crap out in the 30-50 limit. Now that I know this info I always try to keep my burns so that PIF errors never peak above 30. And to do this I can not use memorex. Ideally I like to keep them under 5.
I guess the moral of the story is, just because you can't see the problem doesn't mean it isn't there. Now that I've used DVDinfo pro and looked at all those Memorex burns, it has me concerned for the longevity of those burns. But hey, thats why I back up my collection in the first place.
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24. March 2005 @ 09:04 |
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LOL!
My DVD Player better be good.
This is what I got:
Panasonic 1000W 5.1-Ch. Home Theater System with Progressive-Scan DVD/CD/MP3 Player
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24. March 2005 @ 09:05 |
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now i have to jump in here and defend my 2 cyberhome ch-400's. (theyre like gold dust in the uk now, used to sell them at whsmiths); they play everything, even most of my crappy bulkpaq's. better than playing discs than my ps2 (but then thats not saying much!)
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24. March 2005 @ 09:11 |
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Well here in USA they are garbage. That is based on expierence. They play some days. Others days...well they take the day off. I have the 300 model. It plays nothing whatsoever.
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24. March 2005 @ 09:53 |
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These quotes are from ScubaPete, not me, but I felt they might also shed some light here:
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I have a Cyber-Home that will play a Mushroom Pizza if the cheese isn't too thick.
Another quote from ScubaPete from a thread on 3-20-2005, http://forums.afterdawn.com/thread_view.cfm/1/170986#902984
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90% of Memorex, made by CMC, is sub-standard as far as DVD backups are concerned, figures as high as 50% coasters have been reported (One member bought a stack of 50 and got 23 good burns.), not what I would call an impressive record. Memorex made a name for itself with their magnetic tapes (VHS and audio cassettes) and have been living off it ever since. There are 4 different companies that manufacture Memorex DVD's BTW and product quality varies widely as you might imagine. Only 10% of the Memorex out there, those are discs manufactured by Mitsubishi in the 25 pack spindle , and they're the exception - they are the good ones. It's easy to see now why the quality of a big-named company can't be trusted - " Who's making your Memorex tonight ?"
This is a scan I did of Memorex Media shown below;
Memorex DVD-R 4X "ProsdiscS03" after running through DVDInfoPro. The Red dots are not X-Mas decorations on a green tree, but errors on the disk. :)
Here is a scan I did of Sony Media to use as an after picture of what it should have looked like. This burn was done at 16X by the way!
And the bottom line here is that the Sony Media was purchased from CompUSA on sale for $39.99 for a l00 cake box, or 42.6 cents per disc after tax. So my point is, why bother with any media that MIGHT give you problems, when you can have for the same price, a better quality media, wether its Fuji, Verbatim, Sony, or TY?s for that matter.
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nohelpme
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24. March 2005 @ 10:06 |
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Curious...reburn at 4x and see what happens. Burning 4x media at 16x is not going to work so well.
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ScubaBud
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24. March 2005 @ 10:29 |
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nohelpme, this is what I stated before:
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Here is a scan I did of Sony Media to use as an after picture of what it should have looked like. This burn was done at 16X by the way!
As I stated above, the Sony Media was burned at 16X.
The Memorex was burned at 4X since your burner's firmware is what sets the max speed for the media and this media is set to a max at 1X-2X-4X. Also look at the Burner info in the DVDInfoPro scan of this Memorex test and see what it says for the burner, Generic DVD RW 4X MAX
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24. March 2005 @ 10:48 |
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LOL!
All of you need to leave my memorex dvd's alone...LOL!
Freaking harassing them!
Tell you what...send them all over to me if you have any, cause I need some more...will help me out so I won't have to go to the store.
:)
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nohelpme
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24. March 2005 @ 10:49 |
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Me too... I like memorex... i got a nice new spindle sitting at home...all depends on what you got for a dvd player.
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tlee_20
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24. March 2005 @ 10:50 |
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i have plenty. just ordered 200 from ebay. i am trying to find a better disk before i switch over. i would hate to switch to something that worse than memorex. can you do that? lol
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24. March 2005 @ 10:52 |
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TY is the best in terms of media... go with them you can get them under the FUJI brandname at best buy
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24. March 2005 @ 10:59 |
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The CMC Mag discs are the ones that usually will go bad after about 6 months even if they burn good. They sometimes won't let you recopy them either. As stated before its not all Memorex that are bad but you can't trust what you will end up with. The media that is known to be excellent doesn't cost that much more so why take a chance that your backups won't work 6 months from now. Everyone to their own taste.
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24. March 2005 @ 11:01 |
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venomX05
What do you pay for your Memorex DVD's, if I may ask, and have you done a DVDInfoPro Scan of a burned disk from a while ago to see if it is still OK? Maybe you could post it here also. :)
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