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PS3 will "DESTROY" pirated copies of games!
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26. May 2005 @ 20:29 |
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so are you saying it is right to be greedy as long as its legal?defendeing the rights of rich people aint my bag.i was just pointing out the fact that these companies lend a hand in their on problems.then find a way to capitalize on it then make people like you feel sorry for them.i dont go into stores trying to apprehend people stealing stuff,thats their problem.if someone broke into my house then that would be my problem.you think sony is gonna care if somone broke into my house?of course not.
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RemyK313
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26. May 2005 @ 22:16 |
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In the future, the world will be divided into two classes : The pirates and the corporations. Martial law will prevail. And when guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.
It's going to be a long, bloody war ahead of us, but some day, we'll be able to rip off anything we want, and no one will be able to stop us!
No, but seriously, you guys know how the world works. Some people don't want to pay for their media, some companies want to charge too much for media, and then some people are in between.
There's always going to be the extremists, who think that EVERYTHING should be free, that people's hard work should go unrewarded, and then there are going to be companies who are going to artistically rape good workers and overcharge the consumers.
It's just how it is.
Even though most music CDs come out at reasonable prices nowadays, a lot of people STILL pirate music. And if the price of software became more reasonable, some people would STILL want to pirate. No matter how you cut it, for some people, there is no price but FREE that will ever satisfy them. For some people, they do it just to fight self-important authority figures.
Anyways, there are plenty of hairy issues to talk about, and I'm not going to argue for either side, I just wanted to say the truth, and expose the reasons as to WHY we pirate (I honestly assume that most people here pirate in some form or another)
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26. May 2005 @ 22:58 |
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i dont pirate,im a corporate guy myself(yeah right).im not a protester either.i just dont give a rats a$$ about sonys problem.
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29. May 2005 @ 02:14 |
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In the future, the world will be divided into two classes : The pirates and the corporations. Martial law will prevail. And when guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.
It's going to be a long, bloody war ahead of us, but some day, we'll be able to rip off anything we want, and no one will be able to stop us!
then we'll find out there is nothing to copy anymore cause nobody makes anything anymore.
everything is a copy of a copy of a copy
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29. May 2005 @ 11:08 |
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it might not be illegal for sony to make their products high priced but it sure as hell is immoral.when ps2 first came out it was like $400 and now it sells for $149 brand new.now what makes it cheaper to manufacture a ps2 now than before.if anything inflation should have made it more expensive.its the fact sony couldnt continue to sell ps2 at that high price so they came down with their price.and selling at this lower price(which is still high) didnt hurt sony at all.
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10. June 2005 @ 04:31 |
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i dont pirate,im a corporate guy myself(yeah right).im not a protester either.i just dont give a rats a$$ about sonys problem.
Why did you post in the thread then? :S
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10. June 2005 @ 08:34 |
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iwas pointing out the fact that sony isnt a little baby to be felt sorry for.they are probably the most profitable company in the world.and i meant i wasnt a protester in the sense that i dont make it my life long goal to destroy all big businesses.but i will speak my mind about them from time to time.
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10. June 2005 @ 11:22 |
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sui-cyco the PS2 is cheaper now because the technology has been improved on making them, this in turns means they are being made more efficiently. They are also making more money from the licensing so they recoop some of the loss in that so the machines can be cheaper, which in turn causes more people to buy them and they'll buy games... it's a cycle.
When PS3 comes out, you'll see the PS2 drop down to 99$ and eventually 49$ then it will be made no more.
You don't see computers selling for tens of thousands of dollars, PS2s are the same way.
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10. June 2005 @ 12:02 |
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ok,how long has the ps2 been out?and its still $149,and dont forget most games start at $50 or $40.come on now arent they making games more efficiently?they havent even come down in price.the technology is getting old and soon to be surpassed,so people wont pay that much for a product.im no business major but i doubt that many people would by a ps2 at $200-$400.not enough to make a huge profit(which most companies try to do).and somebody would have came along and made a cheaper system and stole the market(like xbox or gamecube).
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Cthulhu
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10. June 2005 @ 15:07 |
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ok,how long has the ps2 been out?and its still $149,and dont forget most games start at $50 or $40.come on now arent they making games more efficiently?they havent even come down in price.the technology is getting old and soon to be surpassed,so people wont pay that much for a product.im no business major but i doubt that many people would by a ps2 at $200-$400.not enough to make a huge profit(which most companies try to do).and somebody would have came along and made a cheaper system and stole the market(like xbox or gamecube).
The PS2 is not going to be free, get over it. Most games are 40-50$ because they are written by humans, and for advertising dollars. If you made a machine that could create games itself without any human intervention then games would be a lot cheaper (they'd still prolly cost 10-20$ due to marketing costs).
And when I talk about technology aging, I'm talking about the technology to MANUFACTURE the product. If machine A can churn out 100 products at a cost of 10$ and it takes machine B 50$ to make those same 100 products those that machine B made are going to be more expensive.
The PS3 will be priced competetively with the XBox 360 and Nintendo Revolution, Sony is not going to say "Oh, the XBox 360 is on par with us, but it's only 300$ Why don't we make our system be 600$ everyone will want one then!"
Your argument about people not wanting to pay 40-50$ for a game is just ridiculous. Games have pretty much always cost 40-50$, even back on the ol' NES days a new game would cost 40-50$. Games will continue to cost 40-50$ as the industry realizes that this is about the point of equilbrium for the gaming market. Hell, the industry would love it if the consumers would pay 400$ for a game, and the consumers would love it if the industry would have games cost 5$... Go take an economics course.
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10. June 2005 @ 17:06 |
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well as far as manufacturing cost going down the only way that would happen if they started making ps2 in third world countries using sweat shops.you wouldnt upgrade your manufacturing facility drastically(that cost money) for a product that is going to be replaced.games are over priced,theyre not priced on the quality of the game rather than how much they can hype the game.i bought crappy games that i wish i could get a refund on.game systems follow a market trend that dictates the price.they come out priced really high so rich people can have it first so they can brag about having the newest system.so after they have their moment the price comes down so middle class people can afford it.in no way is it priced that high to begin with because it has to be.there is only three game system makers left and they can co-exist by setting their prices at the same high levels.a lack of competition allows for this to happen.so if you want to look at it nintendo,sony,and microsoft are in a colletive monopoly together.im not expecting anything to be free(thats absurd), but companies have more of a conscience when they price their products before they expect any respect or sympathy from people when people start pirating or bootlegging their games.
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11. June 2005 @ 10:39 |
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sui-cyco, you sir are quite a fool.
Manufacturing costs go down when the technology improves. Take a look at how much computers used to cost compared to how much they cost today. Did we suddenly decide to have a third-world country make them?
No, the process to making the chips has improved reducing the cost. Products become cheaper as the cost to manufacture them goes down. Companies don't decide to start taking a loss on a product just so more people can have it, after they've started making money on it.
Sony, Microsoft, and Nintendo didn't just decide to say "Hey, the upper class has had their bragging rights about this, but let's lower the price so the middle class can now have their turn."
A video game system is not a luxury item, if it were, the prices would never go down and there wouldn't be as large of a market for it. As for your argument about the three game companies not having any competition, you're so far from right.
There are a boatload of alternatives to playing video games on a console, there are movies, the PC, handhelds, books, outdoor activities, etc. that someone can use to fill their leisure time with.
All of those compete with each other, the game systems are priced competitively, if Sony decided to drop their game system down to $99, then you can be sure that the XBox would follow suit even if they had to take a loss.
And that, my friend, does not equate a monopoly. If one of the companies decided to raise the price of their system, the others would not follow suit; instead they'd enjoy more of their product being sold.
As for your argument about upgrading the manufacturing facility, you are wrong again. If the company pays 1 million dollars to upgrade the manufacturing facility and it saves them 3 million dollars over the course of two years then the company will upgrade their manufacturing facility. In turn, they will pass some of these savings on to the consumer which will sell more product and give the company a larger return.
If you disagree, think of how the use of the assembly line revolutionized manufacturing. Or think about books before the invention of the printing press. Books used to be a luxury item, they were very costly and had to be copied by hand. When the printing press was invented, suddenly they could churn out books so much faster than before. Suddenly the price of books dropped significantly since they could be mass produced.
Your argument about games being overpriced is just ridiculous. The price of games has not changed much over the last 20 years, in fact due to inflation they've actually gone down. You do not have to buy the game when it's brand new, you can buy a used copy or you can rent the game first. You know, try it before you buy it. If you don't like the game, you're only out the amount you paid to rent it.
The game systems following a market trend dictates the price? I disagree, or we'd see price fluctuation instead of just price decline. If market trend dictated the price, then as the price went down and more were sold, it'd go back up. The price is dictated by the industry and what consumers are willing to pay for said system. No one wants product just sitting on the shelves, that takes up space that could be used by something else that will sell. However, no one wants to take a loss on a product either.
As for your comment about the game system not being priced high because it has to be is beyond naive. A game system is not a luxury item! They are priced at a level acceptable to the manufactureer to either churn out a small profit or to churn out a small loss that will be re-cooped in software sales. It is very, very rare for a luxury item aka a status symbol to be changed so everyone can have one. It then ceases to have that "status" symbol feel to it and the "rich" people would no longer want it.
If you were to use your logic in the car industry, everyone would have a BMW or a Rolls Royce. Those are luxury items, there prices have remained virtually constant at a level that 90% of the population can not afford and never will be able to afford.
And your last statement, I can't even understand the babble you are trying to say about companies wanting respect and bootlegging. Companies do not price their product in order to garner respect, part of the reason you think games are priced so high is in order to re-coop the loss from how much all the development/advertising cost, and even theft costs (ie. people in the stores actually stealing the stuff, pirates, bootleggers, etc.).
So once again, go take some business classes on manufacturing.
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11. June 2005 @ 12:40 |
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There are better ways to boost post count Cthulu ;) (kidding!)
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11. June 2005 @ 13:44 |
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that was long winded and exactly the point i was getting at about people being naive.you offer the same excuses big companies make for being greedy.big companies dont like being looked at as big greedy or snobby so they try to justify themselves giving a bunch of economic rhetoric.if people did use my logic to sell bmws more people would be driving bmws, is there anything wrong with that?or do you think only 10% of the population should be privileged to drive a bmw?maybe only the people who can afford the new ps3 at $300-$400 should be privilegded to play it.seeing as though most people wont be able to afford this,why dont they wait until they get their
'manufacturing costs" down before they release it?and why dont xbox and nintendo do the same?so they cant use each other as excuses to price their product.how long was ps2 out before xbox came out and did xbox lose out?no.
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12. June 2005 @ 16:02 |
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sui-cyco... I'm done trying to comprehend your babble. It's obvious you no very little about how the business world operates.
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12. June 2005 @ 17:11 |
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i know how it works.it is corrupt,immoral,and based on a philosiphy of deception.if you think otherwise then you are obviously living in denial.
well this thread got way off track didnt it?anyway there is no such thing as exploding dvd players.but if there were would that be grounds to start a war with sony?
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24. August 2005 @ 18:20 |
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DVD Drive destroying things...ok there...I mean this is when a chip comes in. peopel will find a way o disable the laser thingy and let uyou play backup games.
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25. August 2005 @ 12:14 |
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Are they kidding me, first of all, The Parental Guidence will not allow there children, family and house be subdued to this type of risks, SO here's a message to YOU SONY BE PREPARED To lose all children under the age of 21, because you know those moms and wont let their kids have a gun in the house let alone a bomb!
Anyway I'll sue i'll buy a game make a backup and let it burn my house then i'll be rich.....PLeeeease SONY Please Make me rich I need your money Assholes, they are so stupid, you Cant stop the new world order hahaha we'll never die!!!!
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25. August 2005 @ 12:20 |
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Hit the floor the dvd player is going to explode in 10 seconds.Better make sure the smoke alarm is on.Better have some home owners insurance.the drive will be come an ashtray after 10 seconds.You will want to have a cigarette and have a cup of coffee for you new mug holder.
Is it crap or is it memorex?
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2. September 2005 @ 18:33 |
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Nah they wouldnt do that even if they could getting around a lawsuit if your house burnt down because you played a pirated game there could be a possibilty that it just might explode when you play a real purchased game than sony will be in big trouble i would find out how to do that personnally and become the new CEO of sony Lol
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Reasons?
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2. September 2005 @ 18:47 |
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I'd give it a good huge as that copy starts to spin up, and then when I get brutally mamed in the explosion... I will sue the hell out of them, HA!
Yeah it's completely bogus though...
Fanboy is a term used to describe someone who is utterly devoted to a single subject. This generally is followed by the devotion and support even when proved wrong.
Anecdotal, by my definition, it's the way too many people here think. It's also all the evidence you have.
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11. March 2007 @ 11:21 |
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with team Xecuter releasing PDX stuff shortly, Wii will see if this fake news story turns out to be true or not ;)
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11. March 2007 @ 11:44 |
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This player is DOA it will never make it to the US.
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11. March 2007 @ 14:43 |
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Legally, the cant not create or sale a dvd player that "self destructs"... Unless they want to pay more money in legal battles than just suck it and take the fact tha piracy will always exsist... Yeah go ahead let my player self destruct, I promise I will make sure my whole house burns down along with my dog... ANd then I will own the company that brough this crap out.....I been waiting for a payday like this.. Thanks Sony!!!!
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11. March 2007 @ 16:00 |
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I can't believe this thread has gone on this long. It's quite possibly the dumbest one I've ever seen. but I can't help but comment on sui-cyco's attempts to talk about things he obviously knows nothing about, no offense.
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