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should guns be allowed in america
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10. October 2005 @ 20:03 |
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At Xbox: Where in the hell did you get those stats?
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10. October 2005 @ 21:22 |
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I wish we did not even have to argue these merits of owning or not owning a gun. I don't want to own a gun. I don't want to have to ever use one again. *****BUT**** The police in my city cannot protect me in my own house, and I am responsible for the security of my family in the absence of any other protections. Therefore I have a gun, my daughter has a gun and my son has a gun. I hate it, but is there really an alternative? Great Britain, Germany, Australia even Canada have strict laws governing gun posession, but statistics prove it does not help.
I used to live in Florida. In Miami, thugs would throw a tire onto the highway and when one stopped ones car, break your window and rob you. The day after Florida passed the law allowing you to carry a gun in your car, that particular method of robbery stopped instantly. It proves also that these crooks can read the paper and are quite informed as to what they can get away with and not.
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10. October 2005 @ 21:25 |
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The sad part of this discussion is that everyone is forgetting the fact that NO ban on ANYTHING has EVER worked. Every country that has tried to ban alcohol, drugs, sexual acts, or any of hundreds of crimes has never succeeded. The idiotic belief that you can legislate morality is the haven of demagogues, tyrants, and the feeble-minded. All you can do is set the rules, and punish those who break them. I think what scares most of the sheeple, is facing the reality of self-defense. Nobody can protect you but you. The illusion of "If nobody has guns, I'll be safe." is sad. Benjamin Franklin said "Those who would give up freedoms for the illusion of safety, deserve neither."
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11. October 2005 @ 01:31 |
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depends on the state there Bruce here in Indiana they have an instant check so you can get the gun the same day. and the states with the strictest gun laws have the highest crime rate being Washington DC.
2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
infringed.
this was written by our founding fathers and WILL NOT be changed by a bunch of liberial pricks
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11. October 2005 @ 04:01 |
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i didnt get the stats from anywhere in particular its just a fact a lot of americans carry and own guns where as australias dont.
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11. October 2005 @ 04:10 |
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Doc ty: It was just something amusing that I posted that email. I thought of your when I did so I hope you didn't take it hard and go postal, LOL
Dr.Death sounds like a good user name for you!
We have to have our guns, What else are we going to do with all this memosux media?
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11. October 2005 @ 06:42 |
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If you notice, the areas of the US that have the strictest gun control also have the highest crime rates. There is a reason for this. If it is almost impossible for you to own a gun, no criminal would hesitate to come into your home. I spent almost 10 years in a smaller community in WV where everyone was either a hunter or shooter and noone made a secret of it. The whole time I lived there, I never heard of any crime worse than traffic violations. All these people were raised to respect authority, other people, and themselves. I believe the problems lie with the way people are raising and teaching their children. You cannot blame guns for crime, that is a major cop-out.
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11. October 2005 @ 07:30 |
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kivory, how about doc blaster??
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11. October 2005 @ 07:34 |
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i didnt get the stats from anywhere in particular its just a fact a lot of americans carry and own guns where as australias dont.
Uh huh...and according to you over 200 millions americans have/carry guns (including babies) and only 1 million in Australia do??? You might wanna rethink those stats...
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11. October 2005 @ 20:05 |
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@saugmon
all in good fun~ i was just teasing~ :) it was a good read though...found it QUITE amusing... and i DO agree with you in regards to the Memosux media...by the way, my buddy Maxburn has a GREAT sig. pic w/ guns and his line beneath it is classic...re: CMC MAGS :)
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11. October 2005 @ 20:27 |
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I agree pretty much that, you should be allowed to have a gun for safety/hunting and stuff like that.
xboxdevil - I dont think i know anyone with a gun here in australia, except my friend who has a whats-a-ma-jiggy gun i cant remember the name but it shoots off those little metal things there like ☼ that sort of??
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12. October 2005 @ 02:09 |
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BB gun !!! you mean
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12. October 2005 @ 03:37 |
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does xboxdevil have a typical view of america from overseas? if so, i'm afraid many people are extraordinarily mis-informed, or watch too many old westerns.
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12. October 2005 @ 04:53 |
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@saugmon i red your post and found it quite amusing.can you recommend any gun dealers that can give me free medical advice and write me prescriptions.as for australia we are not allowed to own semi automatic or automatic guns.i think bb guns are allowed and we need a license to own shot guns and hunting rifles.it still doesnt stop the lebanese bringing them in though.
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12. October 2005 @ 10:29 |
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i come from a place where everyone has at least a hunting rifle or a shotgun hanging in the back window of their truck and i personaly own dozens myself i am more into long range rifles for fun and hunting my personal best is 398 yards with rem 700 22-250 on a groundhog with a redfield 3x9 illuminator but anyway where i am from WV there is no question about weither or not we can have guns we just have them and in my county and surrounding counties gun crimes are very low maybee one or two a year roane county which is only like half an hour from the capitol
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12. October 2005 @ 17:27 |
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Ahh, thank you, aabbccdd, thats the one, heheh, dont know why i couldnt think of it then?? :)
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14. October 2005 @ 10:24 |
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They just passed a Law in Fl that if you feal threatened by someone you have the right to shoot them... How scarey is that?
WOW!!! You are seriously mislead. You need to get your facts straight before saying a remark like that as it sounds like you got that from a reporter distorting the facts for a headline. I live in Florida and conceal carry a Glock EVERYDAY. I have gone through all the proper channels, filled out the paperwork and have done the course. The US Government has done its due diligence to check my background and have approved me for my rights....not a priveledge a RIGHT
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Constitutional Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
This amendment is for our protection as Americans and what it means is (basically) we have the right to arm ourselves (God forbid) if we need to overthrow an oppressive tyranny hence if the Gov't where to infringe our RIGHTS or similar actions. I might have explained it loosely but you should understand my point....hopefully.
I was born and raised in the Bronx NYC for 30 years of my life and in NY the general public CANNOT carry a gun. You can have a shotguns and/or a long rifles (if I am not mistaken). I never needed a gun for protection then nor do I now BUT as the saying goes
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I would rather have it and not use it then need it and not have it
My main reasons for applying for a concealed weapon permit are
1) To protect the ones I love
2) To protect the ones I know well and that are dear to me
3) To protect myself
4) To protect my property
Those are the ones that come to mind. If someone doesn't agree with guns, America etc., that is fine but I absolutely REFUSE to be prey. And when SHTF I will do my best to do what I have to for the safety of myself and the ones around me.
The figures that the Media use are blown out of proportion and used for their "shock" value, but the truth is as it has been said before...Criminals will continue to get guns by any means necessary and the laws DON'T apply to them as they disregard them anyway. So why should I, a Law Abiding citizen be denied from having a weapon. This is why it is called "Criminal Justice" and this is why I would rather be tried by 12 then carried by 6.
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14. October 2005 @ 10:40 |
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1) To protect the ones I love
2) To protect the ones I know well and that are dear to me
3) To protect myself
4) To protect my property
Absolutely. I completely agree with those statements. Those are the main reasons to have a concealed weapon if you are not a law enforcement agent.
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14. October 2005 @ 10:42 |
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They just passed a Law in Fl that if you feal threatened by someone you have the right to shoot them... How scarey is that?
tmfloria
where in the world did you here that ,from a misinformed Liberal? DONT buy the lies the left trys with gun control because they have lost the battle when it come to gun control the America people have stood up and HAVE BEEN HEARD !!
2nd Amendment
A well regulated Militia being necessary to the security of a free
State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms shall not be
infringed.
what part dont the Liberals get here
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14. October 2005 @ 11:04 |
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I would like to know one thing..................
Isn't this post just a little off topic ?
I thought this was a website for computer and audio and video geeks and freaks.
I would hate to disappointment all of you anti gun nuts and citizens from other parts of the world that don't understand a thing about life and culture in the united states.
Gun ownership has been a part of the american experience since the revolutionary war in the united states and it's part of the declaration of independance and us constitution and gun ownerhip will not be illegal for the LAW ABIDING common citizen.
This is called THE SECOND CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT.
We in the united states have a very powerful gun lobby called the NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION that has a lot of clout in the united states congress to make sure that the politicians in the united states don't have any crazy ideas about confiscating the average citizen's guns.
Charleston Heston was a great NRA president and he was quoted in saying is the only time the goverment will take the citizen's guns away is when they are pried out of their dead fingers.
I also feel if a worthless criminial type wants to attempt a home invasion with a gun then i personally think that person is taking life into his own hands and i would not feel sorry if that person gets shot and dies by a homeowner with a shotgun or a pistol.
I live in a small town in the mojave desert in california and the locals that live here will do exactly that.
The Sun, San Bernardino, CA, 04/25/03
State: CA
American Rifleman Issue: 7/1/2003
In an apparent home invasion gone wrong, suspected burglar Deandre Williams was fatally shot by his intended victim.
Juan Carlos Garcia, his wife and their two small children had been sleeping when Garcia was awakened by an intruder.
Arming himself with a pistol, Garcia went into the living room to investigate.
There he encountered an armed man standing by the front door.
When the intruder fired at Garcia, striking him in the arm, Garcia returned fire.
Williams then ran outside.
Garcia followed, and Williams, who was waiting for him, fired at Garcia, hitting him several times.
Garcia dropped to the ground and fired one more shot, fatally wounding Williams.
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14. October 2005 @ 11:24 |
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This post is in the safety valve so anything can be discussed here.
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14. October 2005 @ 12:05 |
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plus when i burn a coaster, what better thing to do with them then lauch them up in the air and open fire? so you see it all ties in with the site sooner or later :)
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14. October 2005 @ 12:36 |
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hey, a friend of mine also told me about that new "law" in florida, that says that you can "shoot anybody who threatens you".... or like somebody else in the previous post said.... can't remember the exact words, but you get the idea... so, that's BS right??? did some reporter twist the story or what?? does anybody know?
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14. October 2005 @ 12:39 |
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14. October 2005 @ 15:19 |
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Bogus Reporting....Where is the EXACT LAW that states this? As it is NOWHERE to be found in that ever so trusted "source". The only law that I know of to be passed recently is the Castle Doctrine which just carried over to your vehicle. So if someone BREAKS into YOUR house you have the right to use force against him without as many worries as before the perp can sue YOU for shooting him for breaking and entering and jeopardizing your family.
I will look into this unsubstantiated (sp?) "Law" everyone is throwing about.
Edit: Found it
The law that everyone is BS'ing about basically states that you do not have to flee if you feel your life is threatened by lethal force against you
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