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should guns be allowed in america
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14. October 2005 @ 22:42 |
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It doesn't matter guns will never go away. It is apart of life like war. War will never go away. Theres no way you can have peace without war, and theres no way you can have war without guns so this topic is pointless.
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15. October 2005 @ 08:41 |
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I'm not a gun owner but nearly everyone in my family owns some type of hunting rifle or shotgun and have a few observations on the whole topic.
1) Isn't owning a gun like the little suicide pill they say they give all the people that go up in space or to the spies working foreign missions?
"You have this for the 101 things we can think of, and the few we cant"
If the Necronomicon ever teleports me to an ancient evil land, I'll want a boomstick. And lots of shells from S-mart.
2) As Chris Rock said...guns don't kill people, bullets do. Too many guns? Tax the bullets, ain't noone gonna do a drive-by and waste any bullets if they cost $5,000 each.
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15. October 2005 @ 10:54 |
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Tax the bullets, ain't noone gonna do a drive-by and waste any bullets if they cost $5,000 each.
think that statement though there deadrum ,people CAN make there own bullets WITHOUT buying them millions of people do this so thats not even close to being an answer
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15. October 2005 @ 11:37 |
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Yep, I can make 12 guage/20 guage/ 22-250/220 swift/30.06/30-30
Very cheap,even better than manufacturers ammo! More acuracy/better hollowpoints for more killing varmints/lower cost!
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15. October 2005 @ 11:39 |
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for two days a year, we need open season on humans. that would solve problems with pollution, over-population, and guns, right there. i'm all for it.
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15. October 2005 @ 12:06 |
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I live in Louisiana. We have a "shoot the burglar" law. If someone breaks in your house, you have the right to defend life and property with any force necessary. Ovewrall Louisiana has a low crime rate, IF you take New Orleans out of the picture. As you all know New Orleans has been FLUSHED by Katrina and the criminal element has been spread throughout the United States. I was just wondering how this will effect the crime rates where yall live. In my little town, we had to double the size of the police force to deal with the crime we now have. Before Katrina I can't remember the last time we had anythin more than traffic violations in our local paper. THAT has changed and yes I own several guns and will use it if necessary.
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15. October 2005 @ 12:14 |
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Well aware that people make their own (or is that just in the movies like silver bullets?)
Looks like the wrong thread to crack a joke. Please don't shoot, I'm unarmed. Wait till high noon and well have a proper draw...
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15. October 2005 @ 19:22 |
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They just passed a Law in Fl that if you feal threatened by someone you have the right to shoot them... How scarey is that?
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Actually that really is a law I saw it on CNN yesterday click on this link
http://ethics.tamucc.edu/article.pl?sid=05/10/01/1631224&mode=thread
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16. October 2005 @ 00:21 |
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The misinformation concerning the change in Florida's self-defense law is incredible. In most states, if a criminal breaks into your house, or attacks you on the street, you are required BY LAW to retreat. For example, in Massachusetts, a criminal broke into the home of a woman and attacked her and her two children. The woman and her children retreated to the basement, where she kept a loaded .22 rimfire rifle. When the attacker wouldn't cease and desist, she fired, wounding him, and he fled. She was prosecuted for attempted murder because the prosecuter pointed out that there was a small window in the basement that she had failed to try to exit, with her children. She was convicted, and sentenced to five years. There are literally hundreds of cases like this across the country. What the change was in Florida was that you no longer had a duty to retreat, as long as you had a legal right to be where you were. When discussing self-defense, be advised that you can only shoot when a reasonable person would fear for his life or great bodily harm, either to himself or to others. NOT just because someone gave him the finger, or yelled at someone. But the pathetic sheep in this world are trying desperately to make the people who would defend themselves against attack seem like sociopaths. Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE. Others need not apply.
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Jauzzi
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17. October 2005 @ 06:14 |
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Ok, now that makes sense.
But what doesn't make sense to me, is your last sentence "...home of the BRAVE" ??? I know you are trying to make fun of everybody who is a "coward" and thinks that by not allowing people to own guns, there will be no crime, etc (silly, i know) but ANYBODY who has a gun on his hand would feel very BRAVE indeed... "Land of the FREE, home of the BRAVE. Others need not apply." Hey, I just shot a reindeer, i'm so f@#$#g brave!!!!!
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17. October 2005 @ 06:53 |
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Don't knock the man. If you've ever been taught to use a gun properly, you gain a massive sense of pride and responsibility. Hell, I feel good knowing that if the Commies ever come I'll be able to do my part and take at least one of the suckers out before they get me.
Ultimately, it isn't the gun that ever kills someone, it is the person holding it. If there weren't guns around, they'd probably use a knife if they really wanted to commit some crime. It is just that a gun is a more cowardly way of offing someone and takes less balls to use to commit crime.
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S2K
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17. October 2005 @ 07:14 |
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what the florida law says is that if someone is attempting to use leathal force aginst you, you have the right to use leathal force against them.
The REASON for this law was civil suits by criminals and their heirs. IE If a criminal broke into your house, and was not just attempting to rob you, but also attempting to kil you, you now do not hav to prove you had no option of jumping out a window or running away (and perhaps being shot) inorder not to be sued by the criminal who threatened you.
I am to the left of center on most things. I dont own a gun or care to, but there is just no question of a) the second amendment giving the right to individuals (and it s not only for hunting) and b) the bogus twisting of statistics by the anti-gun lobby.
That being said there are also bogus statistics by some of the pro gun people, including the "physicians kill more people accidentaly" chain mai, which is a) made up numbers and b) not an accurate analogy anyway.
Lastly, having lived overseas half my life, I always chuckle when people overseas say "American's don't know much about the rest of the world," when in fact posters outside of American here show the converse is true as well.
I would say half the people in my family own guns. not one of them has ever been in a gun accident or used oe in anger. The only case any of us know of anyone ever being involved in any threat or violence with a gun was when I was mugged at gunpoint in Washignton DC, which of course has the strictest laws in the US, where no one can own a hand gun. The law forbidding handguns had no effect on the criminal mugging me -- the only person the law effects is law abiding citizens.
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17. October 2005 @ 08:39 |
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If you take the guns away from lawful citizens, you all know, and this is very clichè but ONLY CRIMINALS WILL HAVE GUNS> And if by some stroke of luck you manage to disarm the criminals, suddenly ball bat deaths will increase. Ban ball bats and people will beat the hell out of each other with golf clubs or something else.
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Jauzzi
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17. October 2005 @ 09:51 |
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Well sorry about that, but what I was trying to say is that, you can't call someone a "coward" if he doesn't want to have a gun around the house, since the reason we have guns (if you do) around the house is because you are afraid someone might come and try to harm your family... I mean, at the end, we are all afraid... and the other thing is that, let's say tomorrow the government says "it's against the law for civilians to bear arms" or something like that.... and then the day after that the government declares a dictatorship, and that the USA all of a sudden is a communist country! Are you really going to sit down and watch TV and be like, "well, it's against the law to bear arms, so I guess there's nothing we can do." No way man, you don't need a law for that... you don't need a law to defend your freedom. If in that case, you don't do anything about it, well then I agree, you are a coward.
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17. October 2005 @ 17:48 |
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I'm sorry if I wasn't clear about the "home of the BRAVE" comment. It was not directed as a comment about ownership of firearms as much as it was intended to point out that freedom requires one to be brave. It takes a lot of intestinal fortitude to forsake the "nanny state" and be responsible for yourself and your loved ones. A great many people lash out irrationally at firearms owners whenever they feel they are being accused of cowardice because they don't own firearms. I couldn't care less whether you own a firearm or not, but the reality is that a very large segment of the anti-gun crowd want others disarmed so that they (rightly or wrongly) don't feel ashamed of not having the ability or the desire to defend themselves. If you choose to give up your right to self-defense, more power to you (or would that be "less power" to you?). The line about "I just shot a 'boo and I'm so brave" is just a cheap shot that suggests to me that you are trying to rationalize away why you don't own a firearm. (Although the choice of caribou suggests further that you live in Canada, which means your nanny government has already decided that you cannot be trusted with a firearm and after all, they'll take care of you, so you don't need one. Ain't freedom grand?) Please, don't take this as anything against Canada, because we Yanks have even more lunatic politicians than anywhere on earth.
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ddp
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17. October 2005 @ 19:30 |
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can also live in alaska which at this moment is still part of the us of a unless they seceeded from the union to keep the oil & caribou to themselves!
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10. November 2005 @ 11:45 |
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i think all the gun carrying criminals and the law abidding gun owners should go out to a secluded area.then have a massive shootout. and the winner of this shootout then wins the right to bear arms.we here in america love sporting events and this sounds like a super bowl(or shooter bowl).it would no doubt make the highlight reel on espn.
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10. November 2005 @ 13:18 |
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i'll bring the gat XD
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10. November 2005 @ 14:04 |
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and i'll bring the cheerleaders...of course they will be armed too.
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10. November 2005 @ 14:21 |
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I'll be the grey-haired guy with the FN FAL
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ddp
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10. November 2005 @ 19:26 |
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i'll be the canadian with the .50 cal sniper rifle.
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10. November 2005 @ 19:39 |
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Ill, just be there :) I is 14 and cant get a gun. No wait, ill bring a potatoe cannon :)
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10. November 2005 @ 22:46 |
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looks like ddp is going to be the winner with the sniper rifle lol
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11. November 2005 @ 04:55 |
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im not gonna argue the point but guns are dangerous.when you get shot in the head dont come crying to me for warning you thats if you live.if not rest in peace.
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11. November 2005 @ 05:10 |
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I've been shot at and I did some shooting back in the early 70's ... been there, done that and it wasn't the old proverbial 'walk in the park'
but if the need arises, I can handle it
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