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should guns be allowed in america
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will9898
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9. October 2005 @ 12:36 |
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im just starting this forum to ask everyone if they reacon guns should be allowed in america because in baltimore and LA gun crime is outragesly high
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9. October 2005 @ 13:50 |
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And this is related to gamecube very much...
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9. October 2005 @ 16:46 |
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Putting aside the fact that this is grossly off-topic, if you outlaw guns, then the only people who will have them are the cops, and criminals. What if an oppressive regime (think Hitler, Stalin, etc) comes along? Wouldnt you rather have a gun stored somewhere in case the SS come hunting for you?
Besides, outlawing guns is what dictators do best.
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10. October 2005 @ 10:09 |
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10. October 2005 @ 10:18 |
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Guns should be allowed in America only for hunting, and i fyou need it self defense. Including for rights of Law Enforcement Officers (police, FBI, etc.)
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10. October 2005 @ 10:31 |
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Damn theres so many gun crimes in toronto now,I just went to toronto 2 weeks ago to visit my cousins and there was like 4 deaths in that week
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DMW
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10. October 2005 @ 10:53 |
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Unfortunately there is one fact that will NEVER change.
If guns were outlawed in USA the criminals would STILL get them and STILL cause the same amount of gun crime.
The people who have their guns legitamatley <<bad spelling I know, aren't the ones going around doing drive-bys, holding up liquor stores and all the rest associated with gun crime.
I live in the UK and guns are a no-no over here, but that doesn't stop the criminal element getting all the guns they want, killing who they want and robbing who they want.
Granted, we don't have the same number of gun related crimes as stateside, but we are a "little" smaller :p
My 2 cents anyhoo.
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10. October 2005 @ 10:53 |
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the 2nd Amendment is the one that ensures all the rest. take guns away from felons if you want, but the typical citizen is entitled to the right to bear arms. i think if you want to carry a concealed weapon, you should be allowed to, as well.
if you respect the law, you'll follow gun laws. if you don't respect the law, you'll get guns whether they are legal or not. i believe that the gun crimes are a product of other problems in society, and the gun accidents are the results of irresponsible ownership, in which case that part of the human herd should probably be thinned for our own good, anyway. but that's just my thoughts.
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10. October 2005 @ 13:04 |
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I have to agree with Auslander there, even if you outlaw guns, the real criminals will find a way to get them.
I currently live in the Netherlands, where gun laws are very strict, and it's been estimated that there are more illegal guns (here) than there are legally owned ones.
Firearms related crimes actually rise every time gun laws get stricter here, which is the best proof that outlawing guns is not the solution.
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10. October 2005 @ 14:01 |
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Here's my 2 cents.
Here in Britain, guns to the general public are illegal, period. they allow hunters and farmers with their shotguns and of course the police have to have guns.
Basically, though, if people need a gun (generally to kill someone) then they can get hold of one. but it is all done on the low. also you need a license over here to use any type of firearm.
i think they should be outlawed. but hey, they never will be. it's impossible to curb.
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10. October 2005 @ 15:32 |
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Here in ohio they passed a conceal and carry law a year or 2 ago. You have to go through special training in order to get the permit to carry a concealed hand gun. Handguns do nothing for me.
I am into the long distance varmint rifles and shotguns.More of your hunting guns. I get more of a thrill picking a groundhog from 300 + yards. Those suckers are dead before they hear the shot because I shoot at 4000+ fps using my 220 swift.
Here's an email that I cut out that my dad sent me last week,very amusing:
Subject: Doctors and Guns
Doctors:
(A) The number of doctors in the U.S. is 700,000
(B) Accidental deaths caused by physicians per year are 120,000
(C) Accidental deaths per physician is 17.14%
Statistics courtesy of the U.S. Dept of Health & Human Services
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Guns
(A) The number of gun owners in the U.S. is 80,000,000 (yes, that's 80
million)
(B) The number of accidental gun deaths per year, all age groups, is
1,500
(C) The number of accidental deaths per gun owner is 0.001875%
Statistics courtesy of the FBI
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So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
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Remember, guns don't kill people, doctors do.
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FACT:
NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
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Please alert you! r friends to this alarming threat. We must ban doctors
before this gets completely out of hand!!!
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Out of concern for the public at large, I have withheld statistics on
lawyers for fear the shock would cause people to panic and seek medical attention.
Just my 2 cents worth!
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10. October 2005 @ 15:36 |
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i dont agree that any kid should be able to walk in the local walmart and buy a shotgun, but i dont think guns themselves should be outlawed. what we really need is for the laws already on the books to be enforced like they should be. i have guns, in fact i have alot of guns, and quite a few have no use whatsoever other than killing lots of things very quickly, but it's still my right to have them if i so desire. I have a right to defend my home and i will do so to the fullest. if someone breaks in my house and i'm home it's my choice to pop them with a couple 9mm rounds, or cut them in half with a storm of bullets from the AK-47, either way it's my home and my guns and since i'm the one holding it, not many people would argue the point. but thats not really the issue, the issue is kids that get caught holding up a liquor store with a .380 and they get probation or some other light slap on the wrist and then they go free. The need to nforce the damn laws we already have and address the people using guns for crimes, not punish the guns themselves or good people's rights to have them. guns dont kill people, people kill people. i could just as easily take a person out with a screwdriver or an icepick or some other common device. do we outlaw all the guns then 5 years later outlaw all knives, then 5 years years later we outlaw all wrenches and screwdrivers because they can be used as lethal weapons as well. no, the problem is with the people, not the devices they use.
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10. October 2005 @ 16:13 |
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:P hehe
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10. October 2005 @ 16:39 |
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They just passed a Law in Fl that if you feal threatened by someone you have the right to shoot them... How scarey is that?
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10. October 2005 @ 17:11 |
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@saugmon,
wow, that one really hurt~! :)
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So statistically, doctors are approximately 9,000 times more dangerous
than gun owners.
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Remember, guns don't kill people, doctors do.
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FACT:
NOT EVERYONE HAS A GUN, BUT ALMOST EVERYONE HAS AT LEAST ONE DOCTOR.
then what does that make ME? i am a doctor AND own several guns~! LOL so would i be public enemy #1 according to this "statistic" of yours :) LOL
anyways, i found this amusing as the statistics do offer the truth (in part), but in my case, what if i have BOTH OF THE AFOREMENTIONED traits above? *sigh*
docTY, maybe i should get a new name now...how about GunDoc? LOL
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ddp
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10. October 2005 @ 17:23 |
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can't be gundoc as that is neph!
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10. October 2005 @ 17:27 |
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kivory - you could just be doc holiday, or Dr.Death, or Big Gun Brain Chopper, or some other creative gun/doc combo :)
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10. October 2005 @ 17:28 |
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ok, fair enough, then please give me a new name ddp, as you were the one who gave me docTY to begin with....inquiring minds want to know~ :)
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10. October 2005 @ 17:28 |
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You know what I think? Well... Actually I don't know what to think. I'm not into hunting but I do occassionly like to shoot a pistol or rifle. Its quite the thrill. (I try not to point it at anybody.) To think we have gotten to the point that we think we should take guns away from people cuz to many people r shooting each other. Pretty freakin sad. Truth is there is no solution or answer to this cuz really it should not be an issue. There r bad people in this world, (world not just u.s.) and with bad people cums bad things. It is negative to think like that, but Truth is negative.
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10. October 2005 @ 17:31 |
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@darthnip
"big gun brain chopper" ...wow, that one is kinda catchy, i really do like it~ :)
but, i've always had a liking to doc holiday, he was sweet in Tombstone (val kilmer as docholiday) :)
anyways, you know i don't post to the safety valve very much, but, i just couldn't let this one slide without my 2 cents worth~ :)
docHoliday~ i will use that to see how it works~ :)
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ddp
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10. October 2005 @ 17:37 |
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ok, Doc Holiday!!!
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10. October 2005 @ 17:52 |
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ok we got the doc part down, now for the holiday, arrrgggh he's doc holiday and he only comes out on halloween, avast ye matey's he'll stitch up yer dome and then steal yer bag of sugary booty!!
i'm still fond of Big Gun Brain Chopper!!
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10. October 2005 @ 18:24 |
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In my opinion they should be banned but since am not American am being pretty bios as i don't know what its like to live in a country were you can get a gun at your local Walmart, its all very good having a 2nd Amendment to protect yourself but what about those people that clam that right go into schools/shops/banks and start shooting, obviously making them illegal would not stop gun related crimes but it would stop banks giving you guns when you open a account.
aye aye man
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10. October 2005 @ 19:59 |
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i think they should make the gun laws in usa stricter and try to clean up street crime a little more.i live in australia and yeah my neighbour has a couple of hunting rifle and i can get guns illegally if necessary but only 5% of people if that actually carry a gun(not including police of course) on them all the time and we are not allowed automatic or semi automatic guns here.i'd say at least 80% of people in USA carry a hang gun if not a bigger gun
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10. October 2005 @ 20:02 |
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p4, you don't just walk into a store and buy a gun, rifle, or pistol. You have to register, and a background check is done on you, before you can get that weapon.
It has been about 25 years since I bought any kind of weapon, but I think that the waiting/check period is like 3-7 days. I am not sure about that, though.
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